14:01:34 #startmeeting IRC1 14:01:34 Meeting started Thu May 2 14:01:34 2019 UTC. 14:01:34 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 14:01:34 The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:34 The meeting name has been set to 'irc1' 14:01:52 Welcome to our first IRC meeting of stage 1! 14:02:01 Hi Folks, As you may have noticed, Stoney has started our first meeting! 14:02:12 zotbot, our meetbot, will be recording this meeting. 14:02:31 At the end of the meeting zotbot will post this meeting to the web and will provide a link to them. 14:02:58 The agenda for today's meeting is available here 14:03:06 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 agenda 14:03:19 As you can tell, Stoney is chairing the meeting. 14:03:32 true so.... 14:03:39 Before I continue, let me promote one or two others to "chair" which will allow them to take over the meeting in the event that I am hit by a bus. 14:03:52 #chair Heidiellis 14:03:52 Current chairs: Heidiellis stoney 14:04:02 Woo hoo! I have the power! 14:04:16 there... now Heidiellis can take over at any time :) 14:04:18 (Clearly there is a certain informality to IRC meetings.) 14:04:33 With that, let's move on to our first item of business 14:04:42 #topic Introductions 14:04:58 You'll notice that some of my lines start with # 14:05:08 these are commands to our meetbot. 14:05:16 We'll talk more about them later. 14:05:29 However, I would like everyone who is participating in this meeting to use the #info command to introduce themselves. 14:05:45 Heidiellis, would you like to demonstrate? 14:05:56 Sure! 14:06:19 #info I'm Heidi Ellis, Prof. at Western New England University and I've been supporting student involvement in HFOSS since 2006 14:06:27 Awesome, thanks! 14:06:49 So, please #info your introduction if you will be participating in today's meeting 14:07:03 #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University, one of your POSSE facilitators 14:07:08 #info I'm Steven Bradley from Durham University in the UK. I've worked here in CS for 20 years, and now I'm an associate prof (teaching). I've done a little bit of OSS before, but not HFOSS. 14:07:23 #info Hi, I’m Dominic Letarte form Temple University in Philadelphia. I teach Software Design and Capstone classes in the computer science department. 14:07:37 Welcome Steven! 14:07:43 Welcome Dominic! 14:08:22 While we wait a few more seconds for anyone else to info up.... 14:08:25 #info Michele McColgan, Associate prof at Siena College in upstate NY. I teach physics and mentor student research. I also run FLOSS Desktop for kids in my Informal STEM program. I’ve never done an open source project before. 14:08:35 You may notice that there are more folks on the channel that will not introduce themselves. 14:08:42 Welcome Michele! 14:08:43 Welcome Michele! 14:08:54 * Heidiellis Thinks that Stoney and I are twins! 14:08:57 It is common on IRC for folks to lurk on a channel. 14:09:05 * stoney laughs 14:09:15 This is nothing nefarious. It's quite normal. 14:09:33 And I made the comment using /me before the sentence. 14:09:49 Perfect... and that brings us to our next topic 14:09:54 # Basic IRC features 14:10:02 #topic Basic IRC features 14:10:05 oops :) 14:10:22 BTW, Feel free to chat and ask questions as we go along. 14:10:26 kwebb Are you with us? 14:10:36 * stevenaeola waves to everybody 14:10:43 awesome 14:10:49 so to talk, just type and press enter 14:11:14 to give a command to IRC, start your line with / where is something that IRC recognizes 14:11:27 A list of IRC commands are available here 14:11:29 what’s the point of / me? 14:11:34 #link http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html IRC commands 14:11:48 the /me emotes an action 14:11:58 so rather than "saying" something 14:12:02 you are "doing" something 14:12:04 mmccolga, The use of "/me" is to make side comments and add emotion to a discussion 14:12:09 * stevenaeola waves with emotion that I never knew I had 14:12:12 * stoney jumps up and down in excitement 14:12:18 * Heidiellis laughs with stevenaeola 14:12:25 This is what we had before emojis :) 14:12:35 Also note that most IRC clients use tab auto-complete. 14:12:44 How come Heidi turned red? That is real power 14:12:55 So you can start typing the person's nick and hit tab and will auto complete. 14:12:59 I have the power! 14:12:59 Ah, and now you have discovered another feature! 14:13:12 when you put someone's nick in a line, it pings them 14:13:27 by ping i mean: flashes, makes a noise, highlights, etc. 14:13:31 * Heidiellis doesn't know why she got lucky and got the color red. 14:13:33 it depends on the client 14:13:42 but it generally gets someone's attention 14:14:08 you can also change your nick with /nick 14:14:40 if it doesn't work, it might be that someone has what you want 14:15:04 I'm "Heidiellis" because someone has registered "Heidi" as their nick. 14:15:21 it's common for folks to indicate that they are away from the keyboard by appending _afk or just _ to their nick 14:15:42 you can still talk and receive messages 14:15:55 but it just indicates to others that you may not be paying attention 14:16:14 Note that stoney color changes when he is "afk" 14:16:32 that's interesting... that must be your client 14:16:55 so how is everyone doing so far? 14:17:03 what questions do you have? 14:17:14 * stevenaeola smiles knowingly and nods in agreement 14:17:26 awesome :) 14:17:48 good for me. 14:17:51 :) 14:17:58 ok, then let's move on to the next topic 14:18:04 #topic Meetbot 14:18:18 By default, IRC is not recorded. 14:18:30 Individuals sitting on a channel could use their client to save the transcript of an IRC. 14:18:39 But IRC itself does not keep a record. 14:18:50 A meetbot, is a program that sits on a channel and will record meetings for you. 14:19:01 It will produce a full transcript 14:19:13 and it will also create a summary 14:19:33 When we use commands like #topic, #info, and #link, we are asking the meetbot to make a note of those lines in the summary 14:20:06 when we are done with the meeting, I encourage you to look at the minutes that it produces to get a better idea 14:20:20 In fact, the minutes for all past POSSE IRC meetings are posted here: 14:20:23 #link https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/foss2serve/ 14:20:32 here is a list of some of the commands 14:20:43 #linke http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands 14:20:49 awesome, thanks heidi! 14:21:30 #link http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html meetbot commands 14:21:39 sorry... messed up my #link 14:21:59 any questions about the meetbot? 14:22:20 Thanks I'm good 14:22:24 :) 14:22:57 OK, time for the penultimate agenda item... 14:23:09 #topic HFOSS Projects 14:23:30 Heidiellis can you help us out in this section? 14:23:56 Sure! 14:24:51 One of the cool things about working with students and HFOSS is the learning that can happen. 14:25:05 Learning that happens directly from the HFOSS community. 14:25:30 However, finding a community (note I said "community", not "project") can be difficult. 14:25:53 We have asked you to start looking at a few communities as part of your stage 1 activities 14:26:00 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Communities 14:26:37 In future meetings we will talk a bit more about communities and answer questions. 14:27:00 And you will be asked to pick a community that you might be interested in joining. 14:27:23 There is no obligation here. We'd just like folks to look into the communities and gain some understanding. 14:28:02 We have found that POSSE participants start thinking that they'll work with one community and then change communities over time. 14:28:45 We currently have three communities listed on the page that Stoney provided. 14:28:54 goodness knows I've changed a few times :) 14:29:11 There is also a multi-institutional effort to start a Libre Food Pantry. 14:29:20 This would be a university-founded efforts. 14:29:20 Are we looking for communities that we are interested in personally, or those we think our students would engage with best? 14:29:26 Either 14:29:38 #link https://github.com/LibreFoodPantry/ 14:29:51 You're looking for a community that your students would enjoy, but also one that you can interact with. 14:30:00 OK thanks 14:30:22 And we are focused on humanitarian communities because, due to their altruistic nature, they tend to be welcoming to newbies. 14:30:27 Especially students. 14:30:55 Other questions on projects? 14:31:53 We're choosing from the (short) list of communities rather than the (long) list of projects on the linked page #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects ? 14:32:23 Either is fine. We provide the short list because sometimes several participants will organize around one project. 14:32:32 And that allows collaboration both at POSSE and beyond. 14:32:43 So we steer folks towards the shorter list. 14:32:52 Those are also projects with which we have more experience. 14:33:09 But we understand that you may have a reason to choose a different project. 14:33:16 What makes something HFOSS? For example, we are using Sugar for our FLOSS Desktops program. That’s part of the OLPC program. Seems like that would be a HFOSS project. 14:33:31 Things like programming language or technologies can drive the decision. 14:33:43 MicheleMcColgan, we use a broad umbrella for HFOSS. 14:33:54 Yes, Sugar definitely counts as it is education. 14:34:04 okay, thanks 14:34:14 MicheleMcColgan, Do you interact with Steve Jacobs at RIT at all? 14:34:19 nope 14:34:21 He has students who contribute to Sugar as well. 14:34:30 cool! We have lots of questions 14:34:40 Feel free to drop me an email and I can put you in touch with him if you'd like, 14:34:50 yes, I will 14:35:30 awesome.... love to see connections forming! :) 14:35:58 thanks, Heidi! 14:36:09 other thoughts or questions about projects? 14:36:51 hearing none... 14:37:02 #topic Good of the order 14:37:20 Please remember to log your progress in the spreadsheet - your feedback is always valued 14:37:37 Yes! 14:37:56 And if we don't see you logging in the spreadsheet, we become concerned about participation. 14:38:13 I’ll update my progress today. 14:38:26 perfect, thanks MicheleMcColgan ! 14:38:40 #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit?usp=drive_open&ouid=113063810837422988197 14:38:43 Should we put this IRC chat in the spreadsheet? 14:39:08 we're taking roll... but what about feedback Heidiellis ? 14:39:33 Mostly we're just looking to see if folks have completed each of the stage 1 exercises. 14:39:48 And we use the feedback to identify areas that need updating. 14:40:29 The other thing to note about the stage 1 activities is that you can go down a rabbit hole on some of them and spend hours. 14:40:35 That is NOT the intent. 14:40:51 So please don't feel like you need to spend hours on the activities. 14:41:12 You could easily spend 4 hours on Project Evaluation as figuring out how a project works is complex. 14:41:27 right... each activity has a timebox, try to stay within that... unless you are just having too much fun :) 14:41:29 But we don't expect that. Just spend 30-45 minutes on that activity. 14:41:51 * Heidiellis thinks that Stoney is much more succinct than she is! 14:42:30 OK... I think that's it 14:42:35 motion to adjourn? 14:42:50 * stevenaeola raises hand 14:43:09 ok... talk to you all soon! 14:43:13 #endmeeting