02:14:17 #startmeeting 02:14:17 Meeting started Wed Mar 16 02:14:17 2011 UTC. The chair is igorps. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:14:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:14:39 #meetingname fudcon_panama-subsidies 02:14:39 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_panama-subsidies' 02:15:29 ok 02:15:41 So first of all I would like to remember all about the Fedora Project criteria for sponsoring event attendees 02:15:43 Alejandro Pérez - Panama 02:16:08 We have a wiki page for that: 02:16:12 #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Sponsoring_event_attendees 02:17:49 On Fudcon Panama meetings and at a meeting with LATAM ambassadors at FUDCon Tempe was decided that FAmSCo, the FPL and local organizers will share the responsibility to decide about the subsidies 02:18:16 so here I'm representing FAmSCo 02:18:44 aeperezt representing the local Panamanian team 02:19:00 and our FPL: jsmith 02:19:11 #chair aeperezt jsmith 02:19:11 Current chairs: aeperezt igorps jsmith 02:19:51 aeperezt, jsmith ready to start? 02:19:57 * jsmith is ready 02:20:47 OK, I think the first question we need to answer is this: How much of the budget do we want to allocate in today's subsidy meeting? 02:21:12 jsmith, +1 02:21:46 I'll leave this one to aeperezt, since he has a better idea of Panama reality 02:22:46 spevack said that it would be good to have a totall budget for this FUDCon around $15,000 and $20,000 02:22:54 the are a few things that local sponsor have not cover yeat 02:23:36 OK. 02:23:50 igorps, not the budget is around 15,000 and that do not include adbadger1999 and dgilmore as they already have their ticket 02:23:51 aeperezt: we need an estimated amount so we can have an idea 02:24:12 igorps, so we are short if we compare to Santiago 02:24:21 aeperezt: The plane tickets for abadger1999 and dgilmore are not coming out of the FUDCon budget :-) 02:24:38 aeperezt: That was a mistake on spevack's part -- no worries there :-) 02:25:11 Should we start with something like $3000 USD for this meeting, and then decide the rest of the subsidies later? 02:25:12 jsmith, o ok, but they are cover and will be at the fudcon 02:25:21 * inode0 understood that to be what spevack said/meant 02:25:22 aeperezt: so we are not that short :) 02:25:22 aeperezt: Correct :-) 02:25:53 jsmith: $3000 USD sounds reasonable to me 02:26:23 aeperezt: can you take not of the sums? 02:26:46 note* 02:27:08 Any objections or questions before we start reviewing tickets? 02:27:17 I suggest a similar approach used in FUDCon Tempe where international subsidies were handled in a separated meeting. So we could handle subsidies for people outside LATAM in our last meeting in order to make sure our budget can afford people from Europe and other parts of the world. 02:27:30 igorps: +1 02:27:38 Let's concentrate on LATAM visitors in this meeting 02:27:41 jsmith, let start with 5000 02:27:46 +1 02:27:49 aeperezt: OK, works for me :-) 02:27:59 works for me too 02:28:15 May I also suggest that we begin with those contributors who have done the most work in Fedora over the past couple of years? 02:28:16 this metting should be concern latam close to Panama 02:28:34 jsmith, I want to add something to that 02:28:42 aeperezt: Please, go ahead! 02:29:20 I want to add a priority to people that contribute but has not been on other fudcons 02:30:02 with a priority to people who can share more knowledge 02:30:15 #agreed we will allocate about $5,000 in this meeting 02:30:33 aeperezt: do you prefer to start with people from CEAM? 02:30:35 aeperezt: OK, I think that's fair as well -- I just want to make sure we have the right balance between first-time FUDCon attendees and those who have experience 02:31:07 jsmith, that is the balance we need 02:31:54 aeperezt: should be start with CEAM contributors? 02:32:25 Does CEAM mean Central America? 02:32:29 +1 02:32:37 inode0: exactly 02:32:55 igorps, lets start with closes contribuitors that mean ceam, colombia, mexico and venezuela 02:33:49 aeperezt: If you let me I would like to add the Brazilian Amazon region in that list 02:34:23 Although I believe we just have one ticket from that region 02:34:51 that is closer to Panama 02:35:02 igorps, we are talking close to the region we have ticket from peru that is closer than Brazilian 02:35:32 aeperezt: I don't believe we have tickets from Peru 02:36:07 let star with CEAM se how much of the budget we get lef and then move on 02:36:11 * gomix wonders how many tickets are there from ceam countries like nicaragua, honduras.... and such 02:36:19 +1 02:36:25 aeperezt: ok! 02:36:31 to let's start 02:36:50 the very first ticket from CEAM is from Edna 02:36:52 by the way we have the posters and fliers with us 02:37:00 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/74 02:37:05 well potty pick them up today 02:37:21 #topic Ticket #74 02:37:48 aeperezt: do you know Edna? 02:38:04 yes, by email and IRC 02:38:25 she's one of the contributors that is wiling to go to a FUDCon for the first time 02:38:36 known contributions? (fasinfo) 02:38:58 .fasinfo erheiner 02:38:58 igorps: User: erheiner, Name: Edna Rheiner, email: erheiner@blackcreativebox.com, Creation: 2010-03-30, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5145849, GPG key ID: , Status: active 02:39:01 igorps, only one contributor from ceam has been on fudcon before 02:39:02 igorps: Unapproved Groups: distribution 02:39:06 igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors 02:39:57 so basically she's an ambassador 02:39:58 aeperezt: can you provide a background of her past contributions? 02:40:31 potty: hello! 02:40:35 * potty says hi! Sorry for being late. 02:40:51 * potty was on class. On the university where no access to IRC. 02:40:58 * potty did some tricks. 02:41:00 well she is an ambassador, but she works at university and has teach fedora to school girls 02:41:06 potty is also from the local Panamanian team 02:41:12 #chair potty 02:41:12 Current chairs: aeperezt igorps jsmith potty 02:41:19 +1 to funding ticket 74 02:41:25 +1 02:41:47 since we have this learning focus for fudcon panama i'll give her a +1 too 02:41:49 +1 to funding ticket 74 02:42:31 ok, granted 02:42:33 Can someone help me understand the accommodations? 02:42:41 How many people can stay in the villas? 02:42:51 Are some people going to need to stay in a hotel? 02:42:57 * jsmith doesn't understand this part 02:42:59 jsmith, we have already paid 2 villas 02:43:38 actually she's asking for a hotel, I don't believe this will be necessary 02:43:53 igorps: Which is why I'm asking :-) 02:43:54 each villa has 3 rooms with 2 bed each, so we can acomodate 12 people, of we need more villa we need to ask to reserve it 02:44:07 and will be cheaper if she stay at the villas :) 02:44:24 Ok, so we're agreeing to fund her bus ticket plus one bed in the villas, correct? 02:44:35 igorps, the idea is that everyone stay at the villas 02:44:44 right 02:44:48 +1 02:44:55 #agreed to pay for bus ticket + accommodations in the villas for ticket 74 02:45:01 #action jsmith to update ticket 74 02:45:08 Next ticket? 02:45:55 next one: https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/125 02:46:37 * igorps is following the order considering only CEAM contributors and the meeting agenda 02:46:57 #topic Ticket 125 02:47:08 this one seems to me a great +1 02:47:09 German Ruiz is a Fedora and OLPC Nicaragua 02:47:39 .fasinfo germanrs 02:47:40 igorps: User: germanrs, Name: German Ruiz, email: gars1029@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-10-10, IRC Nick: , Timezone: America/Managua, Locale: es, Extension: 5151814, GPG key ID: , Status: active 02:47:44 igorps: Approved Groups: freemedia cla_fedora cla_done 02:48:16 he seems to be a freemedia contributor too 02:48:45 sounds like a good contribution to the event 02:48:59 with two proposed talks this one looks really good 02:49:14 also he is looking forward to become packager for sugar modules, and want to show how to setup Fedora server for OLPC Panama is interested on this 02:49:44 +1 ticket 125 02:49:52 +1 02:49:54 +1 for him 02:50:11 +1 from me ($350 for airfare, plus accommodations in the villas) 02:50:20 +1 02:50:24 hi 02:51:05 German has good talks proposed this is something we need to be aware of 02:51:36 Any objections to funding ticket 125? 02:51:43 nops 02:51:54 next one is https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/127 02:52:42 #agreed Fund ticket 125 for $350 for airfare, plus accommodations in the villas 02:54:20 so, moving to next one? 02:54:33 yep 02:55:07 Yes, please. 02:55:18 #action jsmith to update ticket 125 02:55:26 next one is https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/127 02:56:28 #topic Ticket 127 02:56:45 .fasinfo fernavarro2 02:56:46 igorps: User: fernavarro2, Name: Fernando Navarro, email: fernavarro2@yahoo.com, Creation: 2010-10-12, IRC Nick: , Timezone: America/Guatemala, Locale: es, Extension: 5151859, GPG key ID: 5AC6FB01, Status: active 02:56:51 igorps: Approved Groups: cvsl10n cla_fedora cla_done freemedia ambassadors 02:57:12 I don't see any proposed talks by him 02:58:41 igorps: excuse me for a sec.. how many tickets do we have from ceam (im just thinking that we maybe are taking too much time up to the 5KUS$) 02:59:33 gomix: for today's meeting I'm counting just one more 03:00:13 will we have more for the next meeting? 03:01:04 yes, jsmith defined some for this meeting. I suggest we leave more recent tickets to the next one. 03:01:42 hmm ok... lets keep moving then... 03:01:53 ok 03:02:09 im not sure but i recall fernando from transaltion team 03:02:47 Honestly I don't see anything specific in this ticket but I don't want to sound judgmental here 03:03:14 I'll give a -1 for this one 03:03:22 * inode0 would suggest requesting Fernando to provide more details about he would like to do if sponsored 03:03:34 and deferring decision to later 03:03:41 inode0: I think that's reasonable 03:03:46 so, leaving this one to next meeting? 03:03:56 sounds ok 03:04:00 let's decide it latet 03:04:02 later* 03:04:20 no problem guys 03:04:41 next one is https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/129 03:04:42 im in doubt... i would keep on hold... or -1 03:04:54 gomix, I think he is on translation team 03:05:05 that ticket is triplicated 03:05:19 #agreed Defer decision on 127, pending more information from Fernando 03:05:24 #action jsmith to update ticket 127 03:05:27 ill ping dbecker about him 03:05:56 That is actually 129, 128 and 85 03:06:16 That link is from the most updated one 03:06:21 morpheus gets my +1 03:06:38 so let's keep comments on 129 03:06:49 #info tickets 85, 128, 129 are duplicates of ticket 127 03:07:01 #undo 03:07:01 Removing item from minutes: 03:07:13 #topic Ticket 129 03:07:15 Sorry, wrong one 03:07:29 better now on topic too ;) 03:07:33 #info Tickets 85 and 128 are duplicates of 129 03:07:42 * potty is going home. Reconnecting in 6 minutes. 03:07:45 there we go :) 03:07:52 #agreed keep comments on ticket 129, and close 128 and 85 as duplicates 03:08:06 +1 129 03:08:29 .fasinfo morpheusv 03:08:30 igorps: User: morpheusv, Name: Andres Pascasio Figueroa, email: morpheusv@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-03-22, IRC Nick: morpheusv, Timezone: UTC, Locale: es, Extension: 5127022, GPG key ID: , Status: active 03:08:34 igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors freemedia 03:09:01 morpheus has participated in rpmdev, and he's looking his way into fedora space 03:09:18 we can also get a accommodation at the villas for him 03:09:31 +1 for this ticket 03:09:50 he's asking for $632 for lodging 03:09:58 >> villas ;) 03:10:24 accommodation will be a lot cheaper 03:10:34 Yeah, let me qualify my answer: +1 for airfare plus accommodations in the villas 03:11:45 igorps, he is asking for hotel he can be accommodate on the villas, also he fix that asking for 250 for accomodation 03:12:45 aeperezt: yep there are two values for lodging on his ticket 03:12:53 but that's ok 03:13:17 we'll fund his accommodation at the villas 03:13:27 >> next? 03:13:29 ;) 03:14:10 doubts with #129 ? 03:14:11 jsmith: can you set the agreements for zodbot? 03:14:32 Sorry, just had a network hiccup 03:14:37 lol 03:14:59 no 03:15:10 aeperezt: the default value for accommodation at the villas is $250,00 for all days, right? 03:15:16 #agreed fund $550 for airfare, plus accommodations in the villas for ticket 129 03:15:24 #action jsmith to update ticket 129 03:16:52 considering what was defined on the agenda for this meeting we finished the tickets from CEAM 03:17:59 sum? 03:18:11 I believe there are a few more that came after jsmith tagged this ones we appreciated 03:18:17 how much we made it out of the 5K 03:18:18 ? 03:18:52 so far we have: 03:19:11 my guest is around 2500 03:19:18 #74 granted - 250 + villas - #125 granted - $350 + villas - #127 on hold - #129 granted - $518.96 + villas 03:19:32 Am I missing something? 03:19:45 No, that sounds about right 03:19:58 I'm building a spreadsheet to help w/ the math, like we did for Tempe subsidies 03:20:03 1200 + 3p at villas 03:20:09 ~ 03:20:21 jsmith: that's great 03:20:49 shoul we consider the newest tickets now? or defer? 03:20:56 so, can we keep following the order? 03:20:59 i would say yes... 03:21:10 are there some no brainers left to knock out tonight? 03:21:11 i mean ceam newest tickets 03:21:48 * jsmith thinks we should consider any CEAM tickets submitted before the end of the day yesterday 03:22:14 > igorps bring them all of them.... 03:22:40 * igorps is looking for them 03:22:49 ticket 130 is no brainers 03:23:46 * potty is back. At home. 03:23:54 I believe #130 is next 03:24:00 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/130 03:24:36 hes also asking for 900 loding ! 03:25:03 #topic Ticket #130 03:25:19 one more to the villas! :) 03:25:24 > o yeah... 03:25:27 gomix he modify loding later on the ticket 03:25:35 yes.. as a partial 03:25:43 at holiday inn .. ;) 03:25:50 .fasinfo magjogui 03:25:51 jsmith: User: magjogui, Name: José Edgardo López Vásquez, email: magjogui@gmail.com, Creation: 2009-07-13, IRC Nick: magjogui, Timezone: US/Central, Locale: es, Extension: 5134102, GPG key ID: , Status: active 03:25:53 jajajaa 03:25:54 jsmith: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors freemedia 03:26:10 Anybody know him? 03:26:14 yes 03:26:25 * jsmith is inclined to +1 his airfare + room in villas 03:26:41 I don't see any proposed talks by him :( 03:26:56 he introduce me to translation on fedora and also is trying to become a packager on rpmdev, has done a package for sugar 03:27:08 igorps: That's not a requirement -- just a nice thing to have 03:27:09 Oh... yes.. 03:27:14 i recall the name .. hold 03:27:35 hes not using the same username in rpmdev 03:27:45 jsmith: I know, but this would highly welcome IMHO :) 03:27:46 * gomix checking 03:28:08 >> we can ask him to prepare one ! 03:28:10 ;) 03:28:20 well i think he's a +1 03:28:21 gomix: for sure! 03:28:26 oh, yes, i remember him. 03:28:39 +1 to $600 airfare + villa room 03:28:46 +1 ticket 130, 03:28:47 Or, make that $550 airfare 03:29:36 yep, a villa room for sure 03:29:54 Any objections? 03:30:00 +1 to $550 airfare + villa room 03:30:58 +1 to #130 03:31:07 no objections then 03:31:45 no 03:31:50 no 03:31:53 no 03:31:56 next... 03:32:00 #agreed to fund $550 USD + villa room for ticket 130 03:32:06 #action jsmith to update ticket and spreadsheet 03:32:11 Next ticket? 03:32:23 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/131 03:32:35 this is one that needs more clarification 03:33:29 fas? 03:33:36 He sounds promising but what is the cost? 03:33:45 igorps, yes we need he is new I don't know him 03:34:00 he says so.. 03:34:08 inode0: no information about that 03:34:20 +1 to deferring on this ticket until we have further information 03:34:23 and obviously he's not the fedora ways yet... 03:34:23 and I don't know him either 03:34:31 he is a noob 03:34:48 im inclined to +1 him, but i dont have any referrals 03:34:55 > defer 03:35:06 I'd rather ask for more clarification 03:35:10 sometimes noobs turn out great, he found his way to ask to come which is more than most are capable of :) 03:35:26 inode0, +1 03:35:42 inode0: +1... im inclined to say yes to him... i just need a little push 03:35:43 inode0, sure 03:35:44 aeperezt: inode, +1 03:35:54 (: 03:35:57 but I'm not wiling to fund someone that nobody knows 03:36:06 inode0, there are some people on the pre-register that did not get to tickets 03:36:06 we need to get to know him better 03:36:40 Any other input on this ticket? 03:36:49 Are we agreed to defer until we have more information? 03:36:53 * inode0 would ask for cost details, if it isn't much would take a chance 03:37:01 igorps, we also have to check the what he need to come, if he travel by bus the cost could be cheap 03:37:07 +1 to defer 03:37:11 +1 defer 03:37:20 +1 defer 03:37:26 +1 defer 03:37:46 #agreed Defer on ticket 130, until we have more information (such as approximate costs, mode of travel, etc.) 03:37:55 #action jsmith to update ticket 130 and spreadsheet 03:38:17 I guess this was the last one from CEAM 03:38:30 no info from google 03:39:00 jsmith, that was ticket 131 not 130 03:39:06 OK, shall we hit the obvious ones from slightly further away? 03:39:08 #undo 03:39:08 Removing item from minutes: 03:39:10 we agree on ticket 130 03:39:13 #action jsmith to update ticket 131 and spreadsheet 03:39:35 #agreed to Defer on ticket 131, until we have more information (such as approximate costs, mode of travel, etc.) 03:39:40 * jsmith forgot to update the topic, sorry 03:39:57 jsmith: I'm sorry, what do you mean? 03:40:22 igorps: No problem... I was just talking to myself :-p 03:40:38 jsmith: ok 03:40:49 Which tickets shall we discuss next? 03:41:01 the obvious ones from slightly further away? 03:41:05 Are there obvious folks who aren't in CEAM, but are quite close to CEAM that we should consider next? 03:41:10 yes please 03:41:19 yes please... 03:41:36 I suggest Colombia, Venezuela and Brazilian Amazon 03:41:45 jsmith, those will be mexico if any, colombia Venezuela 03:42:11 There was Jesús from Mexico 03:42:18 i suggest let see the actual tickets and consider new people around (mexico, colombia) 03:42:27 but he's not able to attend anymore 03:42:36 Oh... 03:42:37 :/ 03:42:38 So, Mexico + Columbia + Venezuela + Brazilian Amazon? 03:42:46 igorps, Jesus 03:42:48 jsmith: +1 03:42:52 jsmith: +1 03:42:54 colombia? 03:42:58 yep 03:43:00 do we have tickets from colombia? 03:43:05 let's start there ! 03:43:09 yes 03:43:14 I suggest: Lorsy 03:43:18 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/82 03:43:40 yes Lorsy 03:43:45 #topic Ticket #82 03:44:04 .fasinfo lorsyatenea 03:44:05 igorps: User: lorsyatenea, Name: lorsy julio de la espriella, email: lorsyatenea@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-05-09, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, Extension: 5147428, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 03:44:09 I know her she is knew an ambassador 03:44:09 igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors 03:44:28 i would love to have her as a packager ! 03:44:31 ;) 03:44:39 she code on python 03:44:45 obivously i vote +1 for het 03:44:46 her 03:44:53 +1 03:44:54 +1 on her 03:45:06 I'll give a +1 to her for the python activities! 03:45:11 we routed her from Tempe and hope we can get her to Panama 03:45:21 Sounds like it's pretty solid approval 03:45:24 Any objections? 03:45:29 no 03:45:32 she would be perfect as a rubyist ! 03:45:34 ;) 03:45:34 no 03:45:52 #agreed to fund Ticket 82 for $400 USD + room in the villas 03:45:57 #action jsmith to update ticket 82 03:46:14 * gomix seeing a rpmdev hacfest in place at the villas :-D 03:46:40 jsmith, we have not check Neville ticket 03:46:46 from ceam 03:46:52 #information We've approved $1550 USD for travel, plus four villa beds 03:46:58 aeperezt: Oh, let's do his next then! 03:47:09 +1 03:47:20 aeperezt: Does he have a ticket? 03:47:35 I believe so, but I'm not seeing it 03:48:05 * jsmith can't find one 03:48:12 yes ticket 122 03:48:44 aeperezt: please what is the link? I can't find from the tickets list 03:48:54 #topic Ticket #122 03:49:00 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/122 03:49:01 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/122 03:49:20 +1 to Neville 03:49:36 Neville is a FAmSCo member and a mentor for LATAM 03:49:42 so a big +1 to him 03:50:03 he also has interesting and important talks on the wiki 03:50:19 +1 to Neville 03:50:23 +1 03:50:37 +1 03:51:10 Any objections? 03:51:13 +1 03:51:31 no 03:51:48 no 03:52:12 #agreed to fund ticket #122 for $610 USD + room in villa 03:52:31 so, how much do we have so far? 03:52:34 #action jsmith to update ticket 122 03:52:50 We're at $2160 granted, not counting room costs 03:53:02 Let's figure the room costs quickly, so that I can keep the spreadsheet updated 03:53:58 aren't beds something like $20/night? 03:54:34 yes, if double occupancy 03:54:47 double occupancy in the bed? 03:54:52 LOL 03:54:58 inode0, lolo 03:55:13 haha no! In the room :) 03:55:13 inode0, there are two bed on the room 03:55:28 if they put them together is another matter 03:55:30 btw are we considering Neville's wife in the room count? 03:55:34 ok, I think we assume that unless there is an odd case 03:55:47 igorps: no wifes !!!!!! 03:55:49 I see from his ticket that he's wiling to travel with his wife 03:55:55 igorps: We'll subsidize the one bed, and let him pay for the other :-) 03:56:15 wives... 03:56:19 fair enough 03:56:40 sleeping bag 03:56:48