02:07:21 #startmeeting 02:07:21 Meeting started Wed Mar 23 02:07:21 2011 UTC. The chair is jsmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:07:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 02:07:28 pcorrales, mañana a ver si vamos a cenar despues de las 8:20 con potty 02:07:34 #meetingname FUDCon Subsidy meeting 02:07:34 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_subsidy_meeting' 02:07:47 #chair aeperezt igorps 02:07:47 Current chairs: aeperezt igorps jsmith 02:07:52 me parece bien, aeperezt 02:08:01 #topic Introduction 02:08:11 :) 02:08:15 Before we get started, let me paste a link to the spreadsheet I did last time 02:08:18 pcorrales: welcome ;) 02:08:19 #info https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmzMMPA67hiGdGYxTTZNeUlKMjlRNWpsX0prUmZrVUE&hl=en&authkey=COjBrZoM 02:08:40 I haven't filled in all the names yet, but that spreadsheet keeps track of how much money we've allocated 02:08:50 jsmith: we need to update some data first 02:08:58 igorps: OK, sounds good. 02:09:10 * jsmith is happy to update 02:09:13 jds2001, good 02:09:19 Lorsy said she's not able to attend anymore 02:09:29 her ticket is this one: 02:09:36 igorps, just were I was goind 02:09:36 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/82 02:09:45 hi, igorps 02:10:40 igorps: OK, I'll take that one back off 02:11:39 good, after that we can start with a better idea of how much budget we have left 02:12:25 OK, that's updated 02:13:01 In last week's meeting, we allocated $5440 USD (more or less), not counting the local sponsorship of two villas 02:13:41 $5440 counting Lorsy or not? 02:13:55 Not counting Lorsy 02:14:03 that was counting Lorsy 02:14:13 ok 02:14:45 we have some tickets who needed further clarification 02:14:54 :) 02:14:58 Yes, should we work on those first? 02:15:13 +1 02:15:24 +1 02:15:50 For instance this one: 02:15:51 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/127 02:15:52 +1 02:16:48 Fernando Navarro is new as ambassador he want to help more, also he is the one who help with the Taca sponsorship 02:16:48 #topic Ticket #127 02:17:03 #info this ticket was updated for a discount of $100 02:17:26 .fasinfo fernavarro2 02:17:27 igorps: User: fernavarro2, Name: Fernando Navarro, email: fernavarro2@yahoo.com, Creation: 2010-10-12, IRC Nick: , Timezone: America/Guatemala, Locale: es, Extension: 5151859, GPG key ID: 5AC6FB01, Status: active 02:17:31 igorps: Approved Groups: cvsl10n cla_fedora cla_done freemedia ambassadors 02:17:52 igorps, he also wanted to work on translation 02:18:15 A translation hackfest is a great idea 02:18:28 For me, the question comes down to this -- who is more deserving of the subsidy, fernavarro2 or someone else on the list? 02:18:48 so I think he can contribute a bit more 02:19:04 what are others 02:19:08 aeperezt: do you know him? 02:19:13 yes 02:19:53 remember the main Idea is to get people from central america to promote more Fedora on the region 02:20:04 and he is from honduras 02:20:45 I'd like to give a +1 to this one since a translation hackfest is something we thought by forehand and is highly welcome 02:21:45 Ok 02:21:51 +1 02:21:52 Anybody else want to vote? 02:22:18 what is the taca sponsorship? 02:22:36 inode0: airline discount for FUDCon 02:22:42 ok 02:22:42 inode0, airline discount at Taca Airline for the Fudcon 02:22:51 helo inode0 02:23:15 #agreed to sponsor Ticket #127 02:23:22 #action jsmith to update ticket #127 02:23:53 Another ticket that needed further clarification was this one: 02:23:55 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/131 02:24:08 unfortunately we didn't get a reply 02:24:28 so we'll have to move to the next ones 02:24:31 OK, then I suggest we skip that ticket until next time 02:24:34 +1 02:24:45 +1 02:25:04 OK, we're at $6220 USD now 02:25:17 +1 02:25:22 Sorry , $6120 02:25:26 aeperezt: how much more do you thing is reasonable? 02:25:32 think* 02:25:46 is that adjust for the 12 already paid for rooms? 02:26:02 * inode0 hasn't understood that part 02:26:05 No, that's counting as if we had to pay for the 12 already paid rooms 02:26:13 So our actual cost will be slightly lower 02:26:20 I can fix that in the spreadsheet later 02:26:25 why are we counting it as if we have to pay for something we don't have to pay for? 02:26:27 (It'll just take some time) 02:26:48 Also, we need to keep in mind how many beds we have left in the villas 02:27:24 Essentially, we know that the 12 paid rooms will save us ~960 (if I'm doing the math right) 02:27:42 s/rooms/beds/ 02:27:58 jsmith: thanks for the update 02:28:27 I'm counting 10 subsidies granted, right? 02:29:14 I'm already counting that one we just granted 02:29:15 I'm only counting 9 02:29:45 +1 from today reached 10 02:29:58 But we also took off Lorsy 02:30:28 jsmith: your're right 02:30:32 aeperezt: how many beds we have in the villas? 02:30:35 * jsmith invites everyone to follow along in the spreadsheet 02:30:52 I've highlighted the "free" beds in yellow on the spreadsheet 02:30:53 6 rooms 12 beds 02:31:04 So we have two more free beds 02:31:27 (we'll need to coordinate so that we have a roommate for Tatica) 02:31:45 ok 02:31:58 Oh, wait... Edna is female, correct? 02:32:05 yes 02:32:06 jsmith, right 02:32:07 I think we're good :-) 02:32:20 We have one more room (two more beds) available for free 02:32:30 I had Edna with Loris before 02:32:34 so everything fits :) 02:32:52 We got a ticket from Peru 02:32:56 Three beds left 02:32:59 * jsmith can't count 02:33:04 igorps: Ticket number? 02:33:08 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/136 02:33:17 #topic Ticket #136 02:33:23 and another from Colombia 02:33:39 .fasinfo hacataka 02:33:39 jsmith: User: hacataka, Name: henry anchante, email: hacataka@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-11-10, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: es, Extension: 5118428, GPG key ID: X509v3, Status: active 02:33:43 jsmith: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors freemedia 02:34:02 Henry was wiling to do a big Fedora event in Lima. 02:34:05 hacataka has lead peru fedora for a while now 02:34:14 We realized that he has a good plan and a good venue so we asked him to consider to propose a Bid for FUDCon LATAM 2012 rather than organizing that big event this year. 02:34:31 Unfortunately, for FUDCon LATAM 2011 we weren't able to fund potential organizers to first attend to a FUDCon before organizing one. 02:34:47 igorps, Peru is a good idea for a next fudcon 02:34:51 This is not an optimal situation and now we have an opportunity to do it better, so I give a +1 to Henry. 02:35:00 aeperezt: +1 02:35:17 +1 02:35:32 I've chatted with hacataka several times, and he seems very nice 02:35:33 Having Henry there will be a valuable experience for him and for us 02:35:46 and like he's a good candidate for a subsidy 02:35:52 +1 from me 02:36:03 Any other votes (for or against?) 02:36:37 +1 02:36:55 +1 02:37:02 #agreed Subsidy for $500 USD + room for ticket #136 02:37:11 #action jsmith to update ticket #136 02:37:45 aeperezt: who is the one from Colombia? 02:38:26 let me get the ticket 02:38:51 ok 02:39:23 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/137 02:39:42 he is from sugar labs colombia 02:39:55 +1 02:40:19 .fasinfo rafaelortizg 02:40:20 igorps: User: rafaelortizg, Name: Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero, email: dirakx@gmail.com, Creation: 2010-04-20, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, Extension: 5146616, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 02:40:24 igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done 02:40:30 +1 02:40:44 #topic Ticket #137 02:41:47 Any other votes? 02:41:59 +1 02:42:08 * inode0 isn't exactly clear on what he plans to do 02:42:38 I'm not actually finding his personal wiki page as well 02:42:40 can't sugar sponsor him? 02:42:54 His ticket says he's doing work for Sugar/OLPC and the Fedora packages for Sugar 02:43:05 rrix: That's certainly something we can ask 02:43:19 we did that for FUDCon NA for some sugarfolk, no? 02:43:21 and I don't see that he's approved in other fas groups 02:43:36 rrix: yes 02:43:38 rrix: Yes, Sugar sponsored part of the trip for Peter Robinson to come to FUDCon Tempe 02:43:43 * rrix nods 02:43:57 I've got two +1 votes so far... 02:44:07 he join fas account to ask for sponsorship to come 02:44:22 rrix: Is that a +0/-1 from you? 02:44:31 jsmith, can we ask sugar to sponsor him? 02:44:36 jsmith: +0, I'm just the noisy bystander :) 02:44:46 we need more information about him 02:44:55 aeperezt: Absolutely! We can ask for more details, and decide at the next meeting (if we have enough money for another meeting) 02:45:05 +1 to that 02:45:10 I'll give a -1 to this one since we could get more Fedora folks sponsored with our own budget 02:45:34 +1 02:45:36 so we can ask for sponsorship from SugarLabs 02:45:47 * inode0 gave +1 to asking sugar to sponsor and/or deferring a decision pending more information 02:45:58 OK, sounds like that's the best thing to do in this situation 02:46:04 +1 asking sugar to sponsor him 02:46:05 +1 02:46:17 jsmith, form then we move on 02:46:30 #agreed Defer on ticket #137, so we can ask if Sugar Labs can sponsor him or find out more information about him 02:46:39 #action jsmith to update ticket #137 02:46:46 Next ticket number? 02:47:07 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/135 02:47:24 We didn't looked into tickets from Chile yet 02:47:31 look* 02:47:38 Also, do we have a volunteer to contact Sugar Labs regarding a potential sponsorship? 02:47:49 I can do that 02:47:53 Or should we have Rafael do that? 02:48:11 I can update the ticket and coordinate with Rafael 02:48:17 #action igorps to contact Sugar Labs regarding potential sponsorship for ticket #137 02:48:23 igorps: Thanks :-) 02:48:29 #topic Ticket 135 02:49:06 .fasinfo richzendy 02:49:08 igorps: User: richzendy, Name: Edwind Richzendy Contreras Soto, email: richzendy@gmail.com, Creation: 2008-07-22, IRC Nick: Richzendy, Timezone: America/Caracas, Locale: en, Extension: 5111017, GPG key ID: 4B24F8B5, Status: active 02:49:12 igorps: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done cvsl10n l10n-commits ambassadors 02:49:36 Is he from Venezuela? 02:49:44 right 02:50:08 We already have two sponsored from Ve 02:50:43 it looks like he could also be someone to help out with a translation hackfest. 02:51:09 Also, please note that he's OK with a partial subsidy 02:51:10 I'd rather give opportunity to someone from other countries 02:51:11 (perhaps, just a thought) 02:51:16 he is asking for partial sponsorship 02:51:27 igorps: Would you rather come back to this ticket later in the meeting? 02:51:39 I think we can grant the partial sponsorship 02:51:48 Sure, we have a few ticket from Chile 02:51:50 is for lodgin 02:52:46 Looks like he already bought his plane ticket 02:52:47 +1 partial sponsorship, if you look at the ticket he already has his plane ticket 02:53:10 So by partial sponsorship, are you saying we should reimburse his plane ticket, or just pay for his room? 02:53:28 jsmith, I think pay for his room 02:53:40 +1 from me 02:53:47 sounds reasonable 02:53:54 +1 02:54:41 next? 02:55:42 #agreed to cover room for ticket #135, but not plane flight 02:55:50 #action jsmith to update ticket #135 02:56:03 aeperezt, igorps: Next ticket number, please? 02:56:23 I suggest to move to Chile tickets 02:56:38 since we haven't granted anyone from there yet 02:56:46 and we have both 02:56:55 and just one bad left AFIAK 02:57:07 bed* 02:57:17 I'm fine with that 02:57:25 Those tickets are: 02:57:26 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/134 02:57:28 Geographically, it's probably the next closest country 02:57:43 (Well, parts of it are, at least -- it's a very long country) 02:57:43 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/92 02:57:54 jsmith: it is :) 02:58:44 sorry all im late was getting macy down to sleep 02:58:48 Larry and Sebá are both working for Red Hat and proposed good talks for sysadmins at FUDCon Panama and probably we'll have a lot of sysadmins attending. 02:58:49 dgilmore: Welcome! 02:58:56 dgilmore: Hello! 02:59:06 igorps: Any opinion on which ticket to consider first? 02:59:23 dgilmore, welcome 02:59:29 I don't think we have enough budget for two guys from Chile, so I'll give a +1 to Sebá since he was the main organizer of last FUDCon in LATAM. 02:59:39 looking at both they seem pretty similar in terms of interests 02:59:44 Since we are wiling to exchange organizational experiences he's presence would add good value to the event. 03:00:40 Red Hat can't pay for them? 03:01:04 inode0: that would be highly welcome 03:01:08 inode0: Not sure if they've asked their managers or not 03:01:14 * geek_cl i not work for rh 03:01:23 inode0, that is a good question 03:01:34 jsmith: i think antonio should talk to his manager 03:01:43 * inode0 thinks that should be investigated before Fedora sponsors them 03:01:56 OK, should we look at Larry's ticket then, since he doesn't work for Red Hat? 03:02:08 ok then 03:02:13 #topic Ticket #92 03:02:23 jsmith, since they both work for Red Hat, I vote to defer to check if we can have Red Hat cover that 03:02:25 they both work for Red Hat according to the comment by igorps 03:02:32 .fasinfo lletelier 03:02:32 jsmith: User: lletelier, Name: Larry Letelier, email: geek@xofica.cl, Creation: 2008-02-20, IRC Nick: , Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, Extension: 5103194, GPG key ID: 181C59FE, Status: active 03:02:36 jsmith: Approved Groups: cla_fedora cla_done ambassadors 03:02:43 geek_cl says he doesnt, I'd trust him :) 03:02:51 inode0: Larry is geek_cl -- and he just stated that he doesn't work for Red Hat 03:03:08 geek_cl: oh sorry, I do trust you 03:03:13 I'm sorry I thought geek_cl was also Red Hatter :) 03:03:14 hehe 03:03:29 * geek_cl np 03:03:40 so it's fair enough to look at his ticket 03:03:58 no objection from me 03:04:25 well that clear then if he does not work for Red Hat and Salles does, +1 to geek_cl and Salles need to talk to Red Hat 03:04:51 * dgilmore thinks Larry would be a good choice 03:04:54 +1 so we can maximize our budget 03:05:14 +1 from me for Larry as well 03:05:53 + 03:06:08 geek_cl, good think you where around 03:06:46 Any other votes? 03:06:59 a little initiative pays off :) 03:07:15 * dgilmore is +1 to be clear 03:08:41 #agreed to subsidize ticket #92 03:08:49 #action jsmith to update ticket #92 03:09:34 so we filled all beds, right? 03:09:35 By way of status update, we're now out of free rooms in the villas 03:09:39 what tickets are left? 03:09:54 we have several tickets from Brasil 03:09:55 And we're at ~$6750 in subsidies 03:10:00 and one from Europe 03:10:17 whats our travel budget? $10K 03:10:18 Let's update ticket 134 for asalles 03:10:28 #topic Ticket 134 03:10:48 asalles: Can you see if RH will cover your travel expenses to FUDCon? 03:10:54 asalles: And if not, we'll revisit your ticket? 03:12:23 Mmm nop 03:12:30 Ok 03:12:34 asalles2: Ah, there you are :-) 03:12:58 I will try 03:13:19 asalles: OK, please let us know (via the ticket) as soon as possible 03:13:27 ticket 80? 03:13:51 #agreed Defer on ticket #134, pending more information regarding possible sponsorship by Red Hat 03:14:01 #action jsmith to update ticket #134 03:14:11 should we take a look at Jeroen's ticket now? 03:14:15 I have a question about #135 I think 03:14:38 are we really just giving a $40 sponsorship to him or am I misunderstanding? 03:15:14 * inode0 thinks we should help more if so 03:15:39 inode0: looks like he needs a minumum of $100 03:15:48 inode0: it's actually more than that 03:16:00 inode0: We agreed to cover his hotel, which he had listed as $100 03:16:01 I just call my manager. He said not 03:16:09 asalles: OK, that was very fast :-) 03:16:13 he isn't staying in the villa? 03:16:18 of course, a call 03:16:29 inode0: Yes, that was the plan 03:16:38 i only need support for flight, really 03:16:53 if he is in the villas isn't it $10/night? 03:17:24 inode0: It's $80 per bed for the length of the conference 03:17:36 inode0: But he got one of the last free beds 03:17:37 oh, $20/night 03:17:43 villas is 20/night 03:18:48 * inode0 would still feel better helping more in this case and just adds that to the record 03:19:08 inode0: Unfortunately, there's no easy way to split the cost of a plane flight 03:20:39 and we can save some budget for others 03:20:59 since we already have 3 from Venezuela 03:21:13 OK, are we ready to continue? 03:21:36 should we take a decision on asalles ticket right now? 03:22:39 igorps: Let's actually hold off -- I want to try another avenue w/ Red Hat 03:22:57 jsmith: sounds a good way to go 03:23:01 nice 03:23:09 asalles_: If that's OK with you... 03:23:56 Next we have several tickets from Brasil and one from Europe 03:24:06 OK, let's continue with tickets from LATAM 03:24:26 next ticket can be mine? i need to sleep 03:24:30 (since we agreed to prioritize tickets by rough geographical distance) 03:24:38 we also need to take in consideration hotel prices now 03:24:46 since we are out of beds 03:25:08 how many beds are in a villa? 03:25:21 it owuld be good to fill whole villa's 03:25:25 aeperezt: Is it possible to pay for another villa (or two)? 03:25:26 dgilmore: 12 03:25:27 * dgilmore thinks it was 8? 03:25:27 6 bets on a villa 03:25:34 aeperezt: thanks 03:25:43 so blocks of 6 people if possible 03:26:10 aeperezt: I know that we got the two free villas, but I think it would make sense to get another villa or two if we can 03:26:13 we need to ask availability, but I think we can get another villa if there availability we need to reserve it 03:26:27 other people coming will surely fill in gaps if they exist 03:26:42 aeperezt: Please check availability, and reserve two if we can get them 03:27:32 jsmith, I will request and reserve if I can 03:27:34 jsmith: regarding geographically distance this would lead us to Lenno's ticket 03:27:39 jsmith: should we look at more tickets and base it on actually securing room for them 03:27:50 he's from the same region as Daniel 03:28:34 I like to know how the budget is so far 03:28:38 I suggest that the folks from Brasil we are not able to subsidize we should work on funding for them 03:29:31 We're at $6750 so far 03:29:43 aeperezt: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmzMMPA67hiGdGYxTTZNeUlKMjlRNWpsX0prUmZrVUE&hl=en&authkey=COjBrZoM#gid=0 03:29:47 on the way to what number? 03:30:45 I like to see if we can get Jeroen 03:31:20 aeperezt: I'd like to see if we can get him too, but I want to get LATAM tickets addressed first 03:31:41 he would be a great addition but I do think we should get more folks from LATAM 03:31:50 what is our spending limit for tonight? 03:32:27 inode0, I think we did not set it 03:32:50 aeperezt: considering the sponsorship how much do you think is feasible? 03:33:42 From last meeting a recall that someone said a couple more above the $5,000 03:33:57 That would give us $7,000 03:33:57 we can approve people all night but at some point someone is going to cut us off 03:33:59 igorps, right 03:34:21 jsmith: what can we spend? 03:34:57 aeperezt: so we are good to reach $7,000 tonight 03:34:57 dgilmore: It all depends on what our other costs are 03:35:12 jsmith: ok 03:35:20 we need a number to work with now or we can't make any more decisions, can we? 03:35:20 dgilmore: I've been waiting for aeperezt to update the budget numbers 03:35:34 inode0: Yes, that sounds very reasonable 03:35:50 inode0, I think we can reach 7000 think we are close to that 03:35:52 * dgilmore wonders how much further to go tonight 03:35:54 maybe this is a good place to pause 03:36:14 inode0, +1 03:36:23 tire and hungry 03:36:29 If that's so we are pretty close to 7,000 03:37:28 Yes, we're at 6750 03:37:41 we should stop then? 03:37:49 And if we want to get another villa, that puts us over 7000 03:37:54 we need to check the two more villas so I think we should stop 03:37:58 * jsmith is fine with stopping at this point 03:38:02 to get anwser for that 03:38:32 * igorps thinks we should get confirmation for more villas first 03:38:44 #agreed Stop the meeting for now, and pick back up in the next subsidy meeting, when we have more answers regarding availability of additional villas 03:39:03 #action aeperezt to find out if more villas are available, and if so, reserve two (if possible) 03:39:15 #topic Any other business? 03:39:43 none here 03:39:58 I just would like to remind everyone that we have our weekly FUDCon Panama meeting on Friday 03:40:14 igorps: ill be there this week 03:40:23 im back on the same timezone again 03:40:27 dgilmore: good to know! 03:40:52 we also need to purchase the airfare ASAP 03:40:57 good 03:41:09 * dgilmore will help out with the purchasing 03:41:17 * dgilmore needs to get with jsmith on that 03:41:17 as we get closer to the event the travel tickets get more expensive 03:41:34 igorps: Yes, we'll start on that as soon as possible 03:41:53 #action jsmith to begin purchasing airline tickets for subsidized travelers 03:42:07 Any other questions, comments, concerns? 03:42:17 * jsmith will end the meeting shortly if there are no further questions 03:42:28 nothing else from me :) 03:42:31 Thanks again everyone for participating! 03:42:43 aeperezt: Congratulations on the new baby :-) 03:43:06 aeperezt: indeed sleep when baby sleeps 03:43:47 thanks jsmith 03:44:01 dgilmore, she is on my arms now 03:44:05 Buenas noches, Boa noite, and good night! 03:44:08 #endmeeting