20:23:37 #startmeeting FUDCon Lawrence Subsidy meeting 20:23:37 Meeting started Thu Nov 15 20:23:37 2012 UTC. The chair is rbergeron. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:23:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:23:45 #meetingname FUDCon Lawrence Subsidy meeting 20:23:45 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_lawrence_subsidy_meeting' 20:23:49 #chair suehle ianweller 20:23:49 Current chairs: ianweller rbergeron suehle 20:23:49 HI 20:23:52 HI 20:23:55 hi 20:23:56 HI 20:24:03 #info First Subsidy Meeting for FUDCon Lawrence 20:24:07 #topic Agenda 20:24:36 Okay, so we are on awkward-limited time today with both ruth and I doing juggling family thingies during different portions of this meeting 20:25:00 ok 20:25:03 what we have normally done in teh past is go through domestic requests in the first meeting 20:25:15 #link all requests so far: https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=FUDCon+Lawrence+2013&type=Funding+request&order=priority 20:25:16 Ruth: Do you have an estimate on what the total amount is that we'll have available for subsidies? 20:25:17 I have about an hour 20:25:50 i have about 15 minutes at this point - though I will be back from that about an hour from now ;) 20:25:52 Umm. Would that be as a percentage of the quarter's budget? 20:26:01 I regret to say I have no idea how to answer that. 20:26:07 that would be "what portion of 20k do we not have allocated towards other things" 20:26:16 * suehle attempts to do quick math 20:26:19 well $2K is allocated to KUCE fees 20:26:21 Or do you have a reasonably safe estimate to start with 20:26:31 hotel conf room is $500 20:27:09 Like, could we allocate ... $2k for subsidies today, while bearing in mind that we have about $3-4k also for sponsoring the FAD that happens beforehand and we can handle some of the subsidy requests from that pool 20:27:17 ianweller, is there a budget page somewhere ? 20:27:23 oh, definitely 20:27:53 Southern_Gentlem: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013/Budget 20:27:57 apparently 20:28:12 I did that one night to try to get a handle on it :) 20:28:17 thank you :) 20:28:59 no, thank you, because I couldn't remember where I'd put the list of other FUDpub options 20:29:06 So I say we start with about 3k and see where that gets us. It seems like a safe amount and probably enough that we can get through the hour+ anyway. 20:29:10 Does that seem reasonable? 20:29:15 +1 20:29:27 totally 20:29:52 okay 20:30:34 looks like gent thaci's request is technically domestic since he is in the states 20:30:37 right? 20:30:43 yep 20:30:43 ianweller: indeed 20:30:51 #topic 377 Gent Thaci https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/377 20:31:12 ianweller: do we know offhand what the exact cost of splitting a room is (for regular stays as well as the extended fadna hotel stays) 20:31:39 $60/night per person if we split a room 20:32:25 65 20:32:39 ianweller, whats the tax rate 20:32:56 Southern_Gentlem: 8.85%, i'd say 10% to be safe given that hotel taxation has always been weird to me 20:32:58 Yeah, at a 15% estimate for taxes, closer to 68 20:33:09 * suehle is trying to find the actual hotel tax rate 20:33:12 so normally I'd like to see more of "what i am planning on doing" in a ticket 20:33:28 i'd agree there... should we ask for more information and revisit tomorrow? 20:33:43 (119*.1.15)/2 20:33:47 14.85%, so I was close 20:33:59 yeah, we can do that. He's an exchange student, so I think it may be a "I'm not totally familiar with everything going on on this continent" - i know he did some things in milan last year 20:34:23 so 68.34/night/person shared 20:34:44 current proposal on floor is ask for specifics on what he plans on doing at fudcon, revisit tomorrow 20:34:59 i got 68.43 but close enough 20:35:08 maths. 20:35:18 I would say for rounding purposes we can just call it 69 or 70 ;) 20:35:24 ianweller: do you want to take that action to ask in the ticket 20:35:27 69 20:35:30 i can do that 20:35:37 #action ianweller ask for specifics on what he plans on doing at fudcon, revisit tomorrow 20:35:43 damn you type fast 20:35:43 #agreed ask for specifics on what he plans on doing at fudcon, revisit tomorrow 20:35:49 rbergeron: damn i copy and paste fast 20:36:02 let's see... shaiton is not domestic 20:36:30 neither is LoKoMurdoK it looks like 20:36:44 herlo's next 20:36:45 * inode0 arrives well before 1440 CDT 20:36:55 inode0: hey we started before then too for some reason i guess 20:36:59 you didn't miss much 20:37:07 #topic 383 Clint Savage https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/383 20:37:10 just a bunch of math and one person :) 20:37:21 "FAmA improvements, including discussions with ambassador mentors on the FAmA processes. Infrastructure conversations, community growth. Ianweller asked me to setup streaming." 20:37:27 so i'm an obvious +1 from that ;) 20:37:34 Oh. Sorry, I started early apparently... I thought we were going at 20 after... today is not my day 20:37:40 rbergeron: it's all good 20:37:45 yes, +1, what is the total amount he's looking for so we can document it? 20:38:00 $ for flight + $ towards hotel (4 days i assume) 20:38:00 total for herlo is 537.17 + 70*4 = 820ish 20:38:03 We need to redo his hotel math since he says he'll share, and I think he submitted this before you could get a discount on the 16th 20:38:31 5 nights * $69 = $345 20:38:32 i am willing to share with him 20:38:49 suehle: aha 20:38:59 also we can cover some of his costs with the FADNA budget, correct? 20:39:31 yes. we need to sort out how we're doing that - if we want to split the fliht amongst both and split the one night of hotel out, or ... what 20:39:59 So total he's asking $625 with flight, about half flight, half hotel if you just wanted to give one to one budget and one to the other. 20:40:00 if we cover hotel with FADNA and flight with fudcon that is pretty close to that split i think 20:40:02 half plane and one room night goes to the fad 20:40:07 and not insane 20:40:28 +1 ianweller 20:40:32 that seems reasonable 20:40:44 and now i have to depart for my taxi run, i will be back in 40-45m... sorry 20:40:49 rbergeron: see you in a bit 20:40:50 * rbergeron thinks we all know how to do this by now 20:40:52 * inode0 is +1 to herlo's flight + regular hotel accommodation - let's sort out FADNA funding later if no one cares 20:41:03 proposed: +1 herlo, figure out split later 20:41:11 +1 20:41:20 suehle: ? 20:41:23 agreed 20:41:31 We all suggested the same thing at once :) 20:41:40 #agreed +1 herlo, figure out split later 20:41:46 #action ianweller do tickety things 20:41:55 i cant vote on the next one 20:42:00 correct :) 20:42:04 ianweller, is it useful if I add these actions to the tickets as we go? 20:42:09 or some other usefully thing? 20:42:20 suehle: i can or you can doesn't mater 20:42:24 #topic 386 jbwillia https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/386 20:42:35 OK, you keep this rolling, and as you #action, I'll paste into the tickets 20:42:44 suehle: sounds good 20:42:53 any questions on this ticket 20:43:01 Southern_Gentlem: you're just requesting your split of the hotel, correct? 20:43:06 yep 20:43:08 ok 20:43:10 +1 20:43:23 so that's 350ish 20:43:24 math depart is handleing the flight 20:43:26 i'm +1 20:43:29 Southern_Gentlem: cool :) 20:43:48 suehle: ? 20:44:19 nobody's saying no, so i'm gonna call it 20:44:28 #agreed +1 jbwillia, figure out FADNA split later 20:44:37 #action suehle modify ticket 20:44:53 #topic 387 Nick Bebout https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/387 20:45:13 nb states airfare is about $400, doesn't say how many nights of hotel 20:45:20 have we already hit our famsco quota? 20:45:27 He mentions FADNA 20:45:32 * inode0 just kidding 20:45:34 inode0: :) 20:45:42 oh, i am here now 20:45:46 hi nb 20:45:47 so hotel would be another five nighter I assume 20:45:58 nb: are you doing FADNA as well 20:46:02 yes 20:46:17 so $400 flight, $350 hotel = $750, with some costs being split to FADNA 20:46:21 * suehle assumes ianweller is keeping a running tab here 20:46:26 suehle: "sorta" 20:46:58 +1 20:47:01 +1 20:47:12 it's difficult with the famna split but i think we're at about 800 with herlo and Southern_Gentlem, with FADNA costs taken out 20:47:16 i'm +1 as well 20:47:30 1920 is the total 20:47:41 i can't math 20:47:52 Southern_Gentlem: is that including nb 20:48:07 i cant either but i can plug into a spreadsheet 20:48:09 ianweller, yes 20:48:17 Southern_Gentlem: and doesn't taken into account FADNA splits i presume 20:48:18 I just want to know when we hit 3k 20:48:22 ok 20:48:22 nope 20:48:25 so 20:48:32 #agreed +1 nb, figure out FADNA split later 20:48:37 #action suehle modify ticket 20:48:47 #info at ~1920, $3K is limit for today's meeting 20:48:56 that all sounds right? 20:48:58 yup 20:49:05 onwards and upwards 20:49:10 #topic 399 inode0 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/399 20:49:23 FADNA again, asking about 650 20:49:32 FADNA's turning into quite the party :D 20:49:36 yep 20:49:59 i'm +1 20:50:08 no way, that guy's crazy 20:50:10 just kidding :) 20:50:11 +1 20:50:13 +1 20:50:21 #agreed +1 inode0, figure out FADNA split later 20:50:23 #action suehle modify ticket 20:50:35 #info at ~2570, $3K is limit for today's meeting 20:50:40 +1 20:51:05 #topic 400 Dan Mashal https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/400 20:51:22 I have a question before we go on today 20:51:25 inode0: shoot 20:51:41 What is a reasonable expectation about additional funds and when will we meet again? 20:52:20 inode0: we'll meet again tomorrow 20:52:36 I'm thinking it is reasonable that there will be enough money for all the current NA requests if they are granted. 20:52:44 i think $3K is a safe bet for today's meeting so that we can clear up some of the blur that is the fudcon budget later this evening and we'll have a clearer picture by tomorrow 20:53:14 Ok, then on #400 I think we should ask for a bit more in the proposed activities area. 20:53:15 Yeah, I imagine they'll all get funded. We just need to sort out some math. 20:53:24 so dan is 223+350 20:53:37 I know Dan has other things he'll be doing but I'd like to see them in the ticket. 20:53:38 proposed: ask for more info for proposed activities (inode0) 20:53:46 +1 20:53:47 i'm +1 to that 20:53:47 * suehle would also note that 400 has not submitted a trip report for PuppetConf yet, which was what he last got (a small amount) of money for. I don't know about his history otherwise. 20:54:16 So let's push that and help him a bit with the request. 20:54:30 anybody else? 20:54:34 on the proposed proposal 20:54:49 I can likely talk with him tonight, I see him most evenings. 20:54:55 sounds good 20:54:56 ok. 20:55:08 #agreed ask for more info for proposed activities in ticket 20:55:14 #action suehle ticket things 20:55:24 #info still at ~2570 for today's meeting 20:55:36 bpepple 20:55:43 #topic 401 Brian Pepple https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/401 20:55:55 +1 - no brainer 20:55:56 just requesting 3 nights hotel, no airfare 20:56:00 comes out to $210 if he splits 20:56:07 * suehle presses the Easy button 20:56:11 +1 20:56:13 +1 20:56:50 +1 20:56:51 #agreed +1 bpepple for 3 nights hotel 20:56:56 #action suehle ticket 20:57:11 #info now at ~$2780 20:57:14 well split of 3 nights 20:57:22 Southern_Gentlem: right 20:57:28 * suehle noted "shared room" in ticket since he specified the full rate 20:57:39 ianweller, so one more or stop 20:57:41 suehle: should we do the next request 20:58:00 there are only two left and we should do both even if we go over a little I think 20:58:03 He's asking for more than the rest of the day's budget just in Amtrak 20:58:14 Not even counting hotel 20:58:32 #topic 402 John Dulaney https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/402 20:58:33 $752 total 20:58:35 propose delay until next meeting 20:58:40 when we factor in the FADNA subsidy today we are not close to $3k 20:58:40 +1 20:58:51 inode0: correct 20:59:05 unsure if suehle's $3K takes that into account or not 20:59:05 Well, postponing until tomorrow won't make them NOT get approved if they would have been today, and it'll give us time to iron out how to split things. 20:59:27 double negatives... tricky... 21:00:00 I'm saying it's not like I'm going to go blow the money on liquor tonight so they can't get approved tomorrow. 21:00:05 right 21:00:25 is anybody -1 on deferring 21:00:28 yeah, I would just rather click the button and be done with them if possible :) 21:00:45 403 is easy 21:00:55 403 is easy but also less 21:01:04 402 is easy for me too 21:01:23 * nb thinks both are easy 21:01:23 402 is not sure is he is coming he is waiting on LMR 21:01:45 +1 nb +1 both call it 21:01:52 LMR? 21:01:52 suehle: thoughts? 21:02:10 suehle: i'm inclined to approve both 402 and 403 today 21:02:12 What's the FADNA budget for travel? 21:02:25 rbergeron said $3-4k 21:02:30 toward the start of the meeting 21:02:37 I must have missed/forgotten. 21:02:41 20:27 < rbergeron> Like, could we allocate ... $2k for subsidies today, while bearing in mind that we have about $3-4k also for sponsoring the FAD that happens beforehand and we can handle some of the subsidy requests from that pool 21:02:49 OK... that seems like we should easily make 402 and 403 then. 21:03:05 Is all that 3-4 for travel, because we're going to need room space for it 21:03:13 I'm +1 for both 402 and 403 21:03:26 suehle: I think that is likely the total budget 21:03:26 suehle: i think it's just "general FAD stuff" 21:03:41 Does the FAD need anything besides meeting space and travel? 21:04:04 we may have food, we haven't discussed those details with robyn 21:04:17 OK 21:04:29 Well, it'll work out. 21:04:42 no problems with approving 402 and 403 then? 21:04:50 I think it's doable. I hope so. 21:05:02 i think it'll be fine given the FADNA splits 21:05:21 #agreed +1 john dulaney 21:05:34 don't mind me changing the topic, i'm just doing it so that they show up in the meeting log 21:05:39 #action suehle modify ticket 21:05:49 #topic 403 Sarah White https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/403 21:05:58 #agreed +1 sarah white, figure out FADNA split later 21:06:08 #action suehle modify ticket 21:06:24 #topic anything else? 21:06:31 that ends the domestic list 21:06:42 ianweller: can you list the ticket numbers for intl travelers for us to review 21:07:12 #info international tickets 375, 377, 378, 380 21:07:20 scratch 277 sorryu 21:07:35 #undo 21:07:35 Removing item from minutes: 21:07:37 #info international tickets 375, 378, 380, 405 21:07:43 yay 21:07:56 * suehle makes a mental note of that undo command 21:08:22 382 is also int'l 21:08:34 #info international ticket 382 21:08:50 #info international ticket 384 21:08:56 that's all of them. 21:09:05 * suehle does not win 21:09:20 ianweller, so how are you splitting my ticket 21:09:52 Southern_Gentlem: my tentative answer is "one night on FADNA budget" but i feel like it could be more flexible than that 21:10:04 FADNA will tell us what they are willing to kick in for you later :) 21:10:38 it depends on if they're coming out of the same cost center in red hat, if so we can cover the hotel once and just put parts of it in different budgets, i think 21:10:41 well i was trying to do the split but ok 21:10:49 i'm pretending like i know how finances at red hat work, i really don't 21:10:55 * inode0 notes all this FADNA/FUDCon cost sharing is invisible to sponsored folks 21:11:33 * suehle is reasonablky certain it's the same cost center 21:11:45 it's not that simple, but we'll work it out 21:11:53 suehle: nothing is ever as simple as i think it is 21:11:56 :) 21:12:01 okay i'm ending this thing in 10 unless smoebody else asks a question 21:12:09 ianweller, and you are not sure of your budget are you, whereas i knew what my budget was 21:12:26 Southern_Gentlem: i know the big number and i know some of our costs, it's just not totalled on a wiki page yet 21:12:34 * suehle is working on that 21:12:43 that's a "do tonight thing" now that i don't have a test to study for 21:12:43 :) 21:12:54 okay thank you all for coming. 21:12:59 tomorrow if we are going to have a firm limit I recommend reviewing all tickets carefully beforehand 21:13:07 My kid's birthday is tonight, so I'll start, and you can finish! 21:13:13 inode0: acknowledged. thank you 21:13:23 how many leftovers are there as well? 21:13:25 two? 21:13:28 yeah 21:13:35 gent and dan 21:13:48 ok, thanks 21:13:53 ianweller, last year my budget was 20K 21:13:57 total 21:14:04 Southern_Gentlem: same here, from what i've been told. 21:14:13 yup 21:14:47 let me look to see if i still have my spreadsheets 21:15:04 i'm gonna call this 21:15:05 thanks all for coming 21:15:05 i am thinking hotel and travel total was 9500 21:15:19 we'll do this again tomorrow, hopefully i'll figure out the time sometmie tonight so we can all prepare :) 21:15:22 #endmeeting