13:04:40 #startmeeting 13:04:40 Meeting started Mon Mar 24 13:04:40 2014 UTC. The chair is alick. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:04:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:05:26 #meetingname FUDCon APAC 2014 CFP decision 13:05:26 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_apac_2014_cfp_decision' 13:06:54 now we should decide #22 IIRC 13:09:49 zsun: just we two? 13:10:09 I did not see others around 13:10:13 it is not possible to resolve conflicts of opinion... 13:10:32 * alick trying to ping cicku etc 13:10:37 but I think we should not decide since it is less than 3 people 13:10:39 okay 13:11:06 cicku is on gtalk with status idle 13:16:49 * suchakra will just hang around here and silently observe 13:17:14 :) 13:20:55 * alick pinged them on gtalk and sms 13:21:31 Okay 13:22:37 tonghuix: hi 13:22:43 tonghuix: hi 13:22:53 hi 13:23:02 so we start? 13:25:11 let's start. 13:25:54 Next: Suchakrapani Datt Sharma 13:26:01 * Kernel and Userspace Tracing with LTTng, GDB and friends 13:26:24 * suchakra sees his topics being discussed ;) 13:26:34 * Fedora Design/Packaging 101 Hackfest 13:27:06 * alick haha 13:27:58 well, I vote +1 for both. But still wonder whether the kernel one is too general or not 13:28:52 zsun: this seems the only topic about kernel? 13:29:04 yes 13:29:26 mine is also +1 for both. 13:29:34 suchakra: we could do the packaging together. ROS is more involved, but a 101 will help some folks. 13:29:57 thanks FranciscoD for the advice 13:30:00 FranciscoD: I am ready for that 13:30:04 hi,all 13:30:14 * alick ha, we have so many potential speakers here! 13:30:17 alick: IM 13:30:21 #chair dongfengweixiao zsun tonghuix 13:30:21 Current chairs: alick dongfengweixiao tonghuix zsun 13:30:27 Unfortunately I can't stay any longer. I need to head to bed now 13:30:28 yeah 13:30:46 FranciscoD: ooops. And good night 13:30:50 Have a good meeting. If you have any queries, please comment on the tickets etc and I'll do my best to clarify them. 13:30:53 FranciscoD: thats fine. We can discuss this offline and if the organizers are ok with that 13:30:54 Good night folks 13:31:19 #chair BinLi 13:31:19 Current chairs: BinLi alick dongfengweixiao tonghuix zsun 13:31:32 well, so many folks here 13:31:42 Hi, sorry for late, :) 13:31:46 so we can continue as expected 13:31:54 who can tell me what can i do? 13:31:54 all that can see the spreadsheet are here today. 13:32:13 except cicku 13:32:38 #info Vote +1 for accept, 0 for decide later, and -1 for decline/reject 13:32:43 dongfengweixiao: is that clear? 13:32:51 zsun: oh, i miss cicku... sorry 13:33:41 and dongfengweixiao do not have the permission to view the sheet. so we need to paste the session name and even some abstract if needed 13:33:49 Next: Ratnadeep Debnath 13:34:06 * zsun thinks we should do this faster 13:34:12 wait, 13:34:32 dongfengweixiao: i just share the cfp sheet with you, plz check. 13:34:47 * Open communication and collaboration tools for humans 13:35:04 #agreed Suchakrapani Datt Sharma : +1 for Kernel one, +1 for Fedora Design/Packaging 101 13:35:12 zsun: thx! 13:35:22 yes,i know that 13:35:36 then Row 24 now 13:35:52 R. D.'s talk is about Waartaa, a GSoc project this year. 13:36:24 I vote 0 for it is a little general 13:36:50 +1 13:36:55 I think it is pretty cool, so +1 13:37:11 and BinLi now? 13:37:14 BinLi: dongfengweixiao , plz vote. 13:37:32 alick, zsun I still opening the doc 13:37:54 ok... I will try paste some abstract here. 13:38:30 Waartaa (https://www.waartaa.com) is an open source communication and collaboration tool for teams and communities. Our mission is to build the next gen open communication and collaboration tools for teams and communities on top of existing open source communication frameworks: IRC, webRTC, etc., a one stop solution for text, audio, video communication and collaboration. 13:38:31 * zsun think we should finish all the decision for CFP tonight, so maybe the meeting will last late 13:38:33 alick: i send u a mms,do u see? 13:39:09 may we can contact kingsoft 13:39:24 dongfengweixiao: we will talk about that later. 13:39:31 okey 13:39:46 for now, plz vote to decide the speeches. 13:39:46 0 for that 13:39:51 dongfengweixiao: we are talking about CFP only today 13:40:02 tonghuix: so you changed your vote? 13:40:03 okey 13:40:35 yes, by seeing the abstract, it a little bit boring 13:41:12 alick: where I wrote the vote result? 13:41:22 BinLi just reply in IRC 13:41:24 #info the final decision is based on majority law. That is, the mean of all votes, rounding to the nearest integer. 13:41:41 may in google share docs 13:41:41 tonghuix: got it. 13:41:47 So now for Waartaa 13:41:53 BinLi: yes 13:41:56 * BinLi -1 13:42:27 so now -1 * 1, 0 * 2, +1 *1 13:42:46 dongfengweixiao: vote in IRC plz. can you see the sheet now? 13:42:56 yes 13:43:01 what's your opinion on Waartaa topic. 13:43:02 i view now 13:43:42 I vote -1 13:43:42 FYI, it is line 24 13:43:51 well, tonghuix changed again/// 13:44:01 it looks so sweet 13:44:07 no... I vote IRC 13:44:16 I vote IRC -1 13:44:27 tonghuix: ? 13:44:42 well, tonghuix, vote #24 for -1? 13:44:43 I vote Waartaa -1 13:44:44 there seems to be some confusion here. 13:45:03 I vote Waartaa +1 13:45:05 * zsun thinks there may be some net issue causing not sync well in time 13:45:10 * alick I meant to say vote in this IRC meeting, rather than in the sheet, ore else. 13:45:21 is it clear to all? 13:45:56 * BinLi understood 13:45:57 So everyone let's repeat our each final vote again. 13:46:06 +1 13:46:14 * zsun 0 for Waartaa 13:46:15 * BinLi -1 13:47:03 * alick networking issue? 13:47:09 I vote Waartaa -1 13:47:14 but what is CFP? 13:47:52 dongfengweixiao: CFP is the Google spreadsheet I just shared with you. 13:48:09 oooooooooh!,thx 13:48:12 dongfengweixiao: CFP = Call For Papers. The papers are in the Spreadsheet. Now we are deciding whether to accept the papers or not 13:48:18 dongfengweixiao: what's your vote on Waartaa topic? 13:48:19 just call for help 13:48:24 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgDSurBt3J_wdFRoYk1WVGdISERMZlRVbjNKMWFkZEE&usp=drive_web#gid=0 13:48:34 I vote Waartaa +1 13:48:51 so +1*2 0*1 -1*2 13:49:06 Waartaa,looks so easy and simple 13:49:10 == 0 13:49:13 Conclusion is 0 now 13:49:39 #agreed Ratnadeep Debnath Waartaa 0 13:49:49 Let's move quickly. 13:50:02 now #26 A life of Translator 13:50:06 Next: Tommy He A Life of Translator 13:50:15 but,on my system,i can not search npm 13:50:27 aur/jslint 0.1.9-0 [installed] (36) 13:50:29 Command-line JSLint, installed through npm 13:50:29 Since we already agreed with #25 in previous meeting 13:50:31 aur/nodejs-npm2arch 0.1.13-4 (21) 13:50:33 Convert NPM package to a PKGBUILD for ArchLinux 13:50:35 aur/nodejs-npm2aur 0.1.3-2 (3) 13:50:35 skip 25? 13:50:37 Sync AUR with NPM packages 13:50:39 aur/nodejs-npmedge 0.1.1-1 (1) 13:50:41 Lists packages whose latest available version does not satisfy the 13:50:45 specification in package.json 13:50:51 #25 has been decide in previous meeting. 13:51:07 * BinLi +1 for #26 13:51:18 0 for #26 13:51:32 dongfengweixiao: plz do not talk about other topic in THIS meeting. 13:52:19 okey 13:52:47 alick and tonghuix , your opinion 13:53:09 +1 for #26 13:53:44 +1 too 13:53:53 so agreed now 13:54:08 conclusion is +1 13:54:16 not so quickly. 13:54:38 oh? it is +1 * 3 at the moment now 13:54:50 only I voted 0 13:55:01 dongfengweixiao: what about you? 13:55:36 ooops. I forget he can view the sheet. sorry 13:56:14 0 13:56:37 +1 * 3 and 0 * 2 13:57:11 * alick just find the mean value is not equivalent to majority law, but thinks it is more proper for many voters. 13:57:32 that'll be a +1 overall. 13:57:47 #agreed Tommy He A life of Translator +1 13:58:02 alick: how about we use 0-5? :) 13:58:11 Next: Peng Wu libpinyin intro 13:58:22 Translator +1 13:58:27 libpinyin +1 13:58:35 +1 for #27 libpinyin 13:58:55 but,about libpinyin,i wanna fozhen can join it! 13:59:04 BinLi: not a good idea in the middle... plus how much difference that -1,0,1? 13:59:04 * BinLi 0 for libpinyin, I like more about the wayland topic 13:59:21 * " 13:59:23 wayland intro with i18n hacks" 13:59:24 he is rime's author 13:59:24 alick: ok 13:59:27 * wayland intro with i18n hacks 13:59:33 alick: yes 13:59:37 two topics brought by peng wu. 13:59:45 we shall vote them at the same time. 13:59:46 yes, I submit both. :) 13:59:51 wayland -1 13:59:57 epico: cool!! 14:00:04 #info guideline: we accept at most 2 topics from one speaker. 14:00:18 #info others can be advised to change to lightning talks etc. 14:00:24 BinLi, hi 14:00:24 well, so I vote wayland +1 and libpinyin 0 14:00:36 epico: :D 14:01:07 -wv +1 for wayland intro with i18n hacks 14:01:25 * BinLi +1 for wayland intro with i18n hacks 14:01:31 for asia,ibus & libpinyin is more Important 14:01:42 and i18n is also 14:01:56 wayland +1, libpinyin -1. 14:01:58 * suchakra thinks its ok to include more general topics in FUDCon as well. Things need not be too fedora specific 14:02:29 sorry epico but i think libpinyin has been talked on relparty, and it can be merged into another talk. 14:02:47 * epico just waits for the vote result. :) 14:02:52 tonghuix: dongfengweixiao : your vote for the two? 14:03:02 alick, I am okay with it. 14:03:07 #27 ? 14:03:17 alick, libpinyin can be merged. 14:03:24 tonghuix: #27 and #42 14:03:51 yes,ibus+1,and i18n+1 14:03:59 I vote 0 for 27, +1 for 42 14:04:25 sorry, #42 -1 14:04:34 now wayland +1 * 4 and -1 * 1 14:05:07 ok, so libpinyin got 0+0-1+1+0=0 14:05:19 wayland is +1 overall 14:05:32 is my calculation right? 14:05:56 yes 14:06:01 #agreed Peng Wu: #27 libpinyin 0, #42 wayland +1. 14:06:18 okay, I am fine with it. :) 14:06:20 #idea libpinyin topic can be merged into wayland one. 14:06:38 now #28 Java Ecosystem in Fedora from Jeff Zhang , Red Hat staff 14:06:53 alick, let me think, it seems okay. ;) 14:07:15 thanks epico 14:07:20 welcome 14:07:34 * BinLi -1 for Java Ecosystem 14:07:42 * zsun +1 for Java Eco 14:08:05 -1 14:08:17 -1 14:08:39 -1 +1 -1 -1 and alick , your idea? 14:08:50 +1 14:09:13 so it is 0 now for later discussion? 14:09:27 ok 14:09:35 #agreed Jeff Zhang Jave 0 14:09:55 now #29 and #30 LaTeX from Alick 14:09:58 Next: Alick Zhao (me) 14:10:09 i'd better not vote here... 14:10:13 okay 14:10:19 alick: are there two topics? 14:10:33 BinLi: yeah, one is workshop. 14:10:37 0 to 29, and +1 to 30 14:10:47 alick: it's ok to vote yourself, :) 14:10:59 +1 to both 14:11:14 alick: so it's look the same topic 14:11:28 one speech and one workshop 14:11:49 may cjk support is more better 14:11:51 * BinLi +1 for workshop, 0 for speech 14:11:57 only #30 is more interactive, more details, and less relevant to fedora... 14:12:28 any more questions? 14:12:53 if no, plz repeat your vote, and in the order #29, #30 for ease of calculation. 14:13:26 * zsun +1 for #29 and +1 for #30 14:14:12 * BinLi 0 for #29 and +1 for #30 14:14:25 29 -1,30 +1 14:14:30 0 to 29, and +1 to 30 14:15:13 so in total 0 for 29 and +1 for 30 now 14:15:20 +1 for #29 and -1 for #30 (if i can) 14:15:34 but mine does not change anything.. 14:15:42 well, but not change the result 14:15:47 ok 14:15:48 I will use the command 14:15:53 ? 14:16:10 what command? 14:16:17 #agreed Alick 0 for #29 and +1 for #30 14:16:28 I mean , agreed . since it is your topic :) 14:16:34 OK, thx 14:16:42 next is #31 How to secure your Fedora box from Danishka Navin 14:17:03 * zsun +1 for #31 14:17:04 +1 for 31 14:17:07 +1 for #31 14:17:08 0 for #31 14:17:46 * alick afk for a minute. 14:18:22 and dongfengweixiao? 14:18:28 #chair zsun_android 14:18:28 Current chairs: BinLi alick dongfengweixiao tonghuix zsun zsun_android 14:18:49 * zsun chair his mobile in case of the building closes 14:19:27 -1 to 29,+1 to 30 14:19:36 dongfengweixiao: vote for #31 14:19:45 dongfengweixiao: are you on phone? 14:20:44 * zsun thinks maybe network issue as before. 14:20:47 what is fedora box? 14:20:47 dongfengweixiao: are you around? i saw you back on the sheet. 14:21:16 dongfengweixiao: i think it means a fedora computer. 14:21:34 I didn't know anything! 14:21:54 if just a computer,i vote -1 14:22:32 dongfengweixiao: it seems a general security talk 14:22:52 ok the final should be 0. 14:22:54 okey,i vote 0 14:23:06 dongfengweixiao: final idea? 14:23:27 well, if 0 from dongfengweixiao, it is +1 in conclusion now. 14:24:07 yep 14:24:10 dongfengweixiao: can you repeat your final vote? 14:25:24 alick: Can I write my vote for the left ones on the Sheet in Col K and head to the dom (with my phone on as well)? 14:25:29 from her abstract ,i donot anything of it! 14:26:11 dongfengweixiao: could you please say vote 1, or 0, or -1, or choose not to vote? 14:26:37 zsun: i think it is OK. 14:26:43 thanks 14:26:46 -1 14:26:59 dongfengweixiao: thx 14:27:07 final result! 14:27:07 So the final is 0. 14:27:27 #agreed Danishka Navin: How to secure your Fedora box 0 14:27:48 Next: bin wang TCPCopy: A Live Flow Reproduction Tool to Support Real Testing of Internet Server Applications Workshop (training) 14:28:15 now finished. 14:28:25 * BinLi -1 for #32 14:28:33 N/A for my own one and others with my vote on the sheet 14:28:45 * zsun 0 for #32 14:31:33 your ideas? 14:31:39 tonghuix: dongfengweixiao ? 14:32:08 * alick 0 for #32 14:32:17 I will vote -1, but a little bit cant decide 14:32:32 * zsun_android heading for the dom 14:32:56 * alick find vote with /me is a bit clearer 14:34:00 if dongfengweixiao cannot come back after 30s, 14:34:27 the final result will be -0.5 == 0. 14:34:43 (rounding up since tonghuix cannot decide...) 14:35:15 he is back ;) 14:35:23 im here 14:35:31 dongfengweixiao: please vote for #32. 14:35:37 your vote is very important. 14:36:00 but on mobile 14:36:02 let me see info 14:36:04 * alick let's try to keep the meeting not last too long. 14:36:29 TCPCopy: A Live Flow Reproduction Tool to Support Real Testing of Internet Server Applications Workshop (training) 14:36:37 maybe this one line is enough? 14:36:53 looks so interesting +1 14:37:10 vote +1 14:37:35 ok 14:37:44 final is 0. 14:37:52 okay 14:38:04 #agreed bin wang TCPCopy 0 14:38:24 Next: #33 Robert Lijun Li Localization and internationalization 14:38:27 * zsun_android no internet in dom so still on phone 14:38:46 * BinLi -1 for #33 14:38:47 +1 to #33 14:38:58 * zsun_android +1 14:40:13 i'll reply if i can to make alick easier to count 14:40:24 zsun_android: thx 14:40:35 * alick 0 for #33 14:40:53 tonghuix: ? 14:40:58 0 to 33, toooooo many l10n topic 14:41:32 so final is 0. 14:41:43 #agreed #33 Robert Lijun Li Localization and internationalization 0 14:41:56 is there a training for l10n or i18n? 14:42:06 Next: #34 Zamir SUN Brief Introduction to FirewallD 14:42:17 * BinLi +1 for #34 14:42:18 may can mix some topic as one 14:42:27 +1 for 34 14:42:28 +1 14:43:08 * zsun_android will not vote for my own 14:43:10 BinLi: seems none. 14:43:38 * alick +1 for #34 14:43:47 so final is +1. 14:43:56 alick: It's more helpful for students or users with training, :) 14:43:59 #agreed #34 Zamir SUN Brief Introduction to FirewallD +1 14:44:00 thank you 14:44:27 agree with binli 14:44:33 Next: #35 Martin Bähr Re-rolling Fedora with Conary 14:44:41 * BinLi +1 for #35 14:44:54 +1 for 35 14:45:05 * zsun_android 0 for 35 14:45:25 BinLi: but all proposals are standard speeches... 14:45:43 BinLi: maybe we can approve one, and suggest it to be workshop. 14:45:53 we could suggest someone to shift to training or workshop, :) 14:46:03 back again 14:46:07 alick: same idea! :) 14:46:07 dongfengweixiao: your idea on #35? 14:46:16 agree with the sugg... 14:46:43 +1 14:47:33 tonghui and alick? 14:47:46 tonghuix: Martin from BLUG? 14:47:56 if #33 could shift to workshop I would like to vote it, cause he's the lead of i18n QE team 14:47:58 yes 14:48:27 * alick +1 for #35 14:48:39 so it will be +1. 14:48:53 #agreed #35 Martin Bähr Re-rolling Fedora with Conary +1 14:49:20 Next: #36 Tian Shixiong L10n on transifex(temp title) 14:49:27 * BinLi 0 for #36 14:49:39 +1 14:50:03 0 14:50:06 * alick +1 (move to workshop) 14:50:22 zsun is +1. 14:50:23 +1 for 36 14:50:33 too many i10n or i18n 14:51:06 so final is +1. 14:51:08 alick: so #36 move to workshop? 14:51:11 * zsun_android thinks move to other type 14:51:23 shall we suggest it to be a workshop (training)? 14:51:26 okay for works.. 14:51:51 good idea 14:52:03 transifex is very suit for workshop, I thought 14:52:23 * BinLi agree alick 14:52:31 #agreed #36 moved to workshop 14:52:38 maybe together with robert? 14:52:58 zsun_android: Great idea!! 14:53:04 Next: #37 Danishka Navin Success story of Fedora in to education 14:53:32 * zsun_android +1 for 37 14:53:38 zsun_android: hmm, but that way we need to sponsor two guys for one topic? 14:53:44 * BinLi +1 for #37 14:53:54 +1 14:54:08 * alick +1 for #37 14:54:11 alick: looks these two people are Chinese 14:54:39 oopps.and i understand now.maybe robert no need to sponsor 14:54:45 alick: if there are local people, we don't need more expense 14:55:00 since he is RH staff 14:55:00 zsun_android: that's good if robert needs no sponsor. 14:55:00 im here？ 14:55:08 dongfengweixiao: yes 14:55:21 zsun_android: ok, I'll add it in note, and check later. 14:55:35 Tian shixiong is not in Beijing. 14:55:49 disz later if needed 14:56:05 bad net connected 14:56:42 so others for 37? 14:56:43 #37 will be +1. 14:56:49 okay 14:56:55 since we already have four +1. 14:57:13 #agreed #37 Danishka Navin Success story of Fedora in to education +1 14:57:22 37 0 14:57:31 Next: #38 Sayan Chowdhury Darkserver 14:57:44 * BinLi 0 for #38 14:58:11 Darkserver is a Fedoraproject app. Darkserver is a set of tools and service written in Python to help developers to debug their applications & libraries. 14:58:12 * zsun_android hesitate between 0 and 1 14:59:37 #info we have 8 submissions to decide, the available slot is about 5. 15:00:14 ooops 15:00:52 vote for #38 plz 15:01:14 0 15:01:16 i voted more. i just calced my total not the current in voting 15:01:27 * zsun_android chg to 0 15:02:52 * alick 0 for #38 15:02:59 what about tonghuix ? 15:03:09 +1 15:03:21 final is 0. 15:03:35 im here？ 15:03:35 I have to quit and reset, due to got illness 15:03:44 #agreed #38 Sayan Chowdhury Darkserver 0 15:03:53 but will monitor this channel 15:03:54 tonghuix: take care, :) 15:03:57 sorry and wish u well soon 15:03:59 tonghuix: take care. 15:04:17 thanks 15:04:30 Next: #39 Gerard Braad Continuous Delivery 15:04:53 this is yet another topic about CD/CI/LXC/DOCKER 15:04:54 * zsun_android +1 for 39 15:05:03 +1 15:05:03 ! 15:05:43 i do not think cd and ci are similat with lxc 15:06:02 and the last topic. 15:06:32 zsun_android: i do not mean they are similar. they are just often used together I think. 15:06:43 lxc and docker are virt related while cd ci are rel eng 15:06:49 Ansible is also included. 15:06:52 okay 15:07:19 so just vote 15:08:46 #12, #14, #15 are somewhat similar with #39. 15:09:04 * alick 0 for #39 15:09:20 tonghuix will not vote. 15:09:35 let's wait for binli for like 30s. 15:10:00 If he will not return, the final will be +1. 15:10:16 iirc,we have 0 for 12 14 and15 15:10:24 wait 15:10:48 i mean, ok to wait 15:11:22 back :) 15:11:32 which one now? 15:11:39 #39 Gerard Braad Continuous Delivery 15:11:48 #12, #14, #15 are somewhat similar with #39 15:11:53 we have 0 for 12 14 and15 15:11:59