10:06:06 #startmeeting 10:06:06 Meeting started Tue Apr 22 10:06:06 2014 UTC. The chair is alick. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:06:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 10:06:15 #topic Roll call 10:06:29 #chair BinLi Kraks zsun 10:06:29 Current chairs: BinLi Kraks alick zsun 10:07:35 #meetingname FUDCon Beijing Special Meeting for Subsidy Decision II 10:07:35 The meeting name has been set to 'fudcon_beijing_special_meeting_for_subsidy_decision_ii' 10:08:19 * BinLi is ok 10:08:45 ping alick 10:08:51 #topic #453 Funding request for Nitesh Narayan Lal 10:08:58 let's review this one first. 10:09:38 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/453 10:09:59 Nitesh booked flight and the real cost is 529.379 USD 10:10:28 So we might cut his travel subsidy to 530USD, to make more room for others. 10:11:10 agree with this 10:11:34 I agree 10:12:08 so that is $530+$70now 10:13:24 * alick +1 for change to 530+70 for Nitesh #453 10:13:45 this is a agree. 10:13:50 okay 10:13:57 I'll update the gdocs 10:13:57 zsun: plz update gdocs if you can. 10:14:23 done 10:14:27 #agreed #453 Nitesh Narayan Lal goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy (amount updated) 10:14:51 #topic #454 uest for Aditya Patawari (adimania) 10:14:57 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/454 10:16:25 with topic Building Orchestration and Configuration with Ansible at Fedora Project 10:16:55 the request is 700+70+70(visa)=840, 10:17:07 partial is not OK (he was afraid) 10:17:20 * alick frown 10:18:18 maybe let's first skip this ticket and review it later? 10:18:38 #chair zsun_android 10:18:38 Current chairs: BinLi Kraks alick zsun zsun_android 10:19:34 okay to review later , since binli is offline... 10:20:02 but I think there may be cheaper tickets 10:20:23 zsun: can you check it now on booking.com? 10:21:09 #455 is not from speaker, so also skip for the moment. 10:21:30 #topic #456 Funding request for Danishka Navin (snavin) 10:21:35 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/456 10:21:47 I'll check later during the meeting since I am not familar with that website 10:21:50 sorry for bad network 10:21:53 Kraks: you can view the trac ticket and gdocs now, yes/ 10:22:03 Kraks: s#/#? 10:22:11 yes 10:22:14 #chair BinLi 10:22:14 Current chairs: BinLi Kraks alick zsun zsun_android 10:22:23 Kraks: good 10:22:44 let's look at #456 10:22:49 #chair dongfengweixiao 10:22:49 Current chairs: BinLi Kraks alick dongfengweixiao zsun zsun_android 10:23:50 zsun: can u confirm the money calculation? 10:24:25 snavin brings a talk titled "Success story of Fedora in to education" 10:24:25 you mean for Danishka? 10:24:30 yes 10:24:37 two talks? 10:24:41 500 + 70 ? 10:24:53 the original is SGD 10:25:07 seems just one talk. 10:25:30 Planning to give two talks which are already accepted sessions. 10:25:33 about 450USD 10:25:36 597sgd is 475 USD today 10:25:57 sorry,476 10:26:26 570SGD is about 450USD 10:26:40 and 500SGD? 10:26:44 it is 618SGD right? 10:27:17 Singapore Airline: 597.60SGD Air china: 585.00SGD AirAsia?: 510.00SGD 10:27:38 so we could sponsor him 510 SGD 10:29:03 as we said , I filed the first price to the spreeesheet 10:29:04 so I calculated with 597.6SGD 10:29:10 see comment 1. 10:29:17 AirAsia is 618SGD. 10:29:41 He prefere Singapore airline which is 597.6 SGD. 10:30:27 Oh, okay 10:30:40 maybe sponsor 480+70 ? 10:30:58 480USD or SGD? 10:31:13 USD of course. 10:31:17 agree 10:31:19 okay 10:31:32 * zsun agree with USD$480+$70 10:31:34 BinLi: ? 10:31:47 * alick +1 for 480+70 10:31:53 * BinLi agree 480 + 70 for #456 10:31:58 ok 10:32:10 I'll update this 10:32:34 #agreed #456 10:32:46 #agreed #456 Danishka Navin (snavin) goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 10:33:27 #457 is done 10:33:41 #topic #458 Funding request for Zamir SUN(zsun) 10:33:47 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/458 10:34:02 * zsun will not vote for own one 10:34:28 zsun bring one talk about FirewallD 10:34:59 the total request is about 70+70 10:35:01 that is RMB214*2 for train+Hotel 10:35:20 * alick +1 for full subsidy 10:35:28 * BinLi agree 70 + 70 for #458 10:35:33 agree : ) 10:35:37 ok 10:35:39 thanks. 10:35:56 agree 10:35:58 #agreed #458 Zamir Sun goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 10:36:15 I just mark Y since it is less than $70 10:36:18 #topic #459 Funding request: Funding request for Bckurera 10:36:22 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/459 10:36:49 Bckurera brings two talks, 10:36:54 Two topics : GSoC with Fedora Start a relationship with OSS project 10:36:58 GSoC with Fedora, Start a relationship with OSS project 10:37:38 total request: 600+70. 10:37:54 partial (500) is OK. 10:37:58 suggest 530 + 70 10:38:37 * zsun agree with $530+70 10:39:09 agree with 530+70USD 10:39:24 * alick +1 for 530+70 10:39:31 agreed now. 10:39:36 cool! 10:39:54 #agreed #459 Bckurera goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 10:40:26 #460 speaker cannot come, so cancelled 10:40:40 #topic #461 Funding request for Tian Shixiong 10:40:47 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/461 10:41:19 #info recall the guideline for travel subsidy for non-local Chinese is 150USD 10:41:38 Help taking photos for the event. 10:41:48 we neeeeed him, :) 10:42:20 * BinLi agree 80 + 70 for #461 10:42:39 * zsun agree with $80+70 for tiansworld 10:42:54 * alick +1 10:42:58 agree with 80+70 10:43:01 so done now. 10:43:08 +1 10:43:25 #agreed #461 Tian Shixiong goes to FUDCon Beijig 2014 - Partial subsidy 10:43:37 suggest him to join our volunteers team 10:43:44 #topic #462 Funding request for Zongyuan He 10:44:18 So all is done? 10:44:27 well, minimal amount he requested is 160,but our guideline is 150 10:44:37 BinLi: no, I mean done for tiansworld 10:44:46 ok 10:45:20 Tommy He bring one talk about l10n exerience, shared with GNOME 10:45:38 total request is 160+70, partial (160) is OK. 10:46:11 I suggest to go with 150+70 10:46:26 agree with partial, 150 + 70 10:46:30 so do we have enough? 10:46:36 if so , I agree with this 10:47:05 can i know how many people and how much money ww can given 10:47:11 From Xian to beijing? a little expensive 10:47:42 zsun: plz update D8 value to 140 10:47:56 sorry G8. 10:48:30 alick: I updated D8 to 70 directly 10:48:38 since that is for travel 10:48:44 * BinLi agree 150+70 for #461 10:48:50 * BinLi agree 150+70 for #462 10:48:53 #info currently we have granted 3320; the remaining is 3210. all in USD. 10:49:15 dongfengweixiao: you can see the gdocs right? 10:49:17 * zsun agree with 150+70 for #462 10:49:19 alick: we still have a lot, :) 10:49:22 dongfengweixiao: the google docs. 10:49:46 no,im using phone now 10:50:04 dongfengweixiao: ok 10:50:11 but maybe i can try it 10:50:14 * alick +1 for 150+70 10:50:28 that's an agree right? 10:50:39 total requested that we have not decided is 3795. So we manage wisely 10:50:49 yes. Agree now in my opinion 10:51:00 #agreed #462 Zongyuan He goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 10:51:28 #idea we should always grant the money wisely 10:51:43 #topic #463 Funding request for Lennart Poettering for FUDCON Beijing 10:51:48 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/463 10:52:27 I have talked with Emily by email about Lennart's case. 10:52:53 His hotel subsidy is already granted by GNOME.Asia (three nights in conference room) 10:52:57 that is, we agree to share the hotel fee and flight on each side 10:52:57 shared with gnome, so we just sponsor him 450? 10:53:11 so we just need to sponsor 450USD for flight. 10:53:31 alick: do we need to share the hotel with GNOME later? 10:53:35 zsun: not necessary. 10:53:41 zsun: don't need 10:53:50 it's not so much, :) 10:53:50 so 450 is okay now 10:53:51 * alick +1 for 450 10:54:03 * zsun agree with $450 for Lennart 10:54:08 * BinLi agree 450 + 0 for #463 10:54:10 agree with 450usd 10:54:17 agree 10:54:35 okay 10:54:59 #agreed #463 Lennart Poettering goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - shared subsidy with GNOME.Asia 10:55:30 #464 has been approved. 10:55:40 yes 10:55:52 #topic #465 Funding request for Fu Wei 10:55:56 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/465 10:56:11 Fu Wei has already booked the flight and hotel, 10:56:19 but he says hotel can be cancelled. 10:56:37 His talk is about Fedora on ARM. 10:56:48 Let's him cancel it 10:56:53 so we already marked his hotel as 70 now 10:57:12 ok 10:57:32 so total request is 299+70. partial is OK. 10:57:46 he did not say the minimal amount. 10:57:59 we will assume minimal amount is 0. 10:58:08 230 +70? 10:58:12 Oh, okay.. 10:58:20 may need full subsidy 10:58:56 He is a Chinese 10:59:00 I think... 10:59:46 do you prefer to agree more full subsidy for Chinese or for others? 11:00:02 * alick suggest 100+70 or so 11:00:08 we still need to decide $2875 request, we 11:00:22 we still have 2540 11:00:30 i think if we have enough sponsor we can give it ! 11:00:41 * alick might need to run off meeting, has to go out for 20:00 event. 11:00:45 http://flight.qunar.com/site/roundtrip_list_new.htm?fromCity=%E5%8E%A6%E9%97%A8&toCity=%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC&fromDate=2014-05-23&toDate=2014-05-26&from=qunarindex 11:01:03 alick: I can continue charing the meeting 11:01:09 zsun: thx 11:01:10 round trip about 1500RMB 11:01:39 I'll leave some tips and leave. 11:01:42 so about 250USD 11:01:44 okay 11:01:45 and quit. 11:02:11 Let's finish this one 11:02:13 so then I agree for $250+70 since it can be enough 11:02:14 #idea For non-speakers, look at their past contribution, and especially what they will do on FUDCon. 11:02:29 okay for this idea 11:02:41 #idea RMS may need special case. 11:02:51 Okay :) 11:03:06 personally I agree with using the budget for his hotel fee. 11:03:21 for RMS? 11:03:31 yes. 11:03:43 I agree to use our hotel/Travel budget for RMS as well 11:03:46 For #454, we might need to check more info. 11:04:05 I'll go now 11:04:08 such as? 11:04:23 flight price. 11:04:32 okay 11:04:44 so do we still continue? or next time? 11:04:53 I prefer still continue 11:05:04 since we do not have much ticket left 11:05:08 yeah, just two more left 11:05:13 fine 11:05:27 move on 11:05:34 so what about #465? 11:05:36 I prefer we deal with Fu Wei's now 11:05:50 I agree for $250+70 since it can be enough 11:06:20 * BinLi agree 250+70 for #465 11:06:26 * zsun agree 11:06:31 agree with 250 + 70 11:06:41 so okay now 11:07:43 agreed #465 Fu Wei goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 11:08:02 I prefer to deal with RMS's issue now 11:09:08 fine 11:09:25 RMS requested 162 for hotel 11:09:38 * BinLi agree 162 for RMS 11:10:04 BinLi is there others that should be decided for RMS on Fedora side? only 162 Hotel? 11:10:27 zsun: currently still not sure 11:10:40 zsun: we should preserver some for any change 11:10:41 #topic Funding request for RMS, invited speaker 11:10:50 preserve some money 11:11:11 He is weird guy, :D 11:11:40 #info Richard Matthew Stallman is our invited speaker. So there is no tickets for him 11:12:23 so how much in total(Fedora+GNOME) he requested now? Hotel and ? 11:12:46 zsun: let me check 11:12:52 BinLi: thanks 11:14:27 RMS stay in his own choosed hotel. His flight was coverd by other sponsor in China. 11:14:57 162 is for hotel 11:15:17 total is 324 for 4 days 11:15:28 we shared with GNOME 11:15:29 okay, since his flight will not be covered by Fedora and GNOME, I prefer to make our decisions now 11:15:44 #info RMS stays in his own choosed hotel. His flight was coverd by other sponsor in China. 11:16:16 #info Hotel: $324 in total. Fedora and Gnome each pay half 11:16:16 so, 324USD total? 11:16:34 Kraks: 162 for Fedora and 162 for GNOME 11:16:39 * BinLi agree 162 for RMS 11:16:45 * zsun agree $162 for RMS 11:16:55 agree with 162 11:16:59 okay 11:18:07 #agreed Richard Matthew Stallman goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - shared subsidy with GNOME.Asia 11:18:29 then we still have 2058 remaining 11:18:49 and I prefer to discuss Nitesh's now 11:19:50 go on 11:20:11 oh, no ,sorry, for Aditya 11:20:26 :D 11:20:41 #topic #454 Funding request for Aditya Patawari (adimania) again 11:21:12 we don't cover Visa Charges 11:22:17 http://www.tianxun.cn/transport/flights/bom/pek/140522/140525/airfares-from-mumbai-to-beijing-capital-in-may-2014.html?rtn=1 11:22:43 In my opinion, it is about $600 11:23:26 yes, we do not have plan for Visa charges 11:23:41 so I prefer to reject his request for Visa charge 11:24:18 agree with reject visa charge 11:24:41 * BinLi agree 600 + 70 for #454 11:25:00 +1 for 600+70 11:25:03 * zsun agree $600+70 for #454 11:25:08 okay 11:26:55 #agreed #454 Aditya Patawari goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 11:28:22 next 11:29:11 we have 4 non-speaker left now 11:29:24 oh, three 11:29:52 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jurankdankkal 11:30:42 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/455 11:30:45 oh, sorry 11:30:52 #topic Non-speakers 11:31:21 the two links is for Prima 11:32:22 could we reject him? 11:33:03 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Somvannda 11:33:10 https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/467 11:33:20 #link https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/467 11:33:27 this is for Somvannda 11:34:07 we'd have a discuess on why before make decisions. 11:34:17 so I'll provide their link first 11:34:34 Do we have any rules for sponsorship to Fedora ambassador? 11:35:31 yes in my opinion. 11:36:53 * zsun still finding on wiki 11:39:07 BinLi: sorry for did not find that yet 11:39:28 I think we can reject some of them if we are reasonable 11:39:59 zsun: ok 11:40:42 zsun: I suggest to give them partially 11:41:12 agree for partially 11:41:47 I'd prefer to deal with #466 first 11:42:12 Somvannda said partially may not help 11:42:23 as on his user page, he just join recently 11:43:03 230 + 70? 11:43:18 and he says he'll help witn Ankur. So I'd partially 11:43:28 Agree for 230+70 11:44:02 * BinLi agree 230 + 70 for Somvannda 11:44:17 #idea if we still have budget left after all decided, we can balance the partially ones again 11:44:54 agree 230 + 70 for Somvannda 11:44:55 zsun: let alick change it with the rules for Fedora ambassador 11:44:56 :) 11:45:08 Okay 11:45:45 #action alick zsun query APAC for rules for sponsor APAC Fedora Ambassadors 11:45:57 and now agreed for him 11:46:09 for #455, #466 and #467 11:46:40 yes, agree for Somvannda 11:47:08 Oh, hey guys, I said #466..But I just see you're talking about 467 11:47:27 BinLi: do you mean, 230+70 for all? 11:47:56 zsun: no from Somvannda, 467 11:48:21 zsun: you just pasted the line for 467, :) 11:48:30 oh...sorry for that 11:49:01 so Kraks do you also said 467 11:49:01 sorry I missed the line you said #466 first, :) 11:49:21 yeah, i mean 230+70 for 467 11:49:24 it does not matter. We still not marked this as agreed 11:49:38 so, you all for 467. I'd see 11:51:28 zsun: move on 11:51:31 :) 11:51:44 I'd agree with 467 $230+70 as well 11:51:54 so now 467 decided 11:51:55 now for 466 11:51:57 ? 11:52:21 okay, now you can decide 466. 11:52:47 suggest 500 + 70 usd 11:53:07 #agreed #466 Somvannda Kong(non-speaker) goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 11:53:22 I just want reject him, for #466 11:53:41 It's no enough reason to let me accept him, :) 11:54:39 with these money we can sponsor a speaker, :) 11:55:23 I'd partially since he'd help Ankur although the reason is not strong 11:55:41 Kraks, we have different idea now. How about your idea? 11:56:10 Led by Ankur, so the Ankur's sponsorship will be double, :) 11:56:40 no value to us in my opinion 11:56:48 how much funding we left for now? 11:56:52 Oh, I understand your idea. 11:57:00 1088 left 11:57:11 I agree with reject him now 11:57:28 so 2 Reject vs 1 partially. Rejected.. 11:57:49 we could let alick to made the final decision 11:57:51 :D 11:57:58 #undo 11:57:58 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by zsun at 11:53:07 : #466 Somvannda Kong(non-speaker) goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 11:58:03 #agreed #467 Somvannda Kong(non-speaker) goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 11:58:11 sorry for the typo again 11:58:20 zsun: ok 11:58:53 #agreed #466 Sarup Banskota goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - REJECTED 11:59:01 so now for jurankdankkal? 11:59:12 yes 12:00:30 Does he realy still have a chance to give a talk? 12:00:49 he help in artwork design part to help FUDCon Beijing team 12:00:57 we need arwork people now 12:00:58 not sure since schedule is tight now 12:01:02 :) 12:01:12 a Fedora Contributor and Ambassador 12:01:16 I agree to sponsor him cuz he had helped with design for FUDCon 12:01:43 but I think partially is okay although he says no 12:01:58 since not all speakers get full sponsor 12:02:22 we need to communicate with him, if he have time to help us, I would like full sponsor him, :) 12:02:39 so a later decision? 12:02:53 okay 12:03:14 so how about 350 +70? 12:03:17 :D 12:03:36 I prefer 330+70 12:04:01 * BinLi agree 330 + 70 for #455 12:04:04 :D 12:04:06 I agree 330+70 too 12:04:18 * zsun agrees $330+70 for #455 12:04:39 #agreed #455 Prima Yogi Loviniltra(non-speaker) goes to FUDCon Beijing 2014 - Partial subsidy 12:04:44 And if he won't come, we could use the left money to sponsor him 12:05:06 I mean full sponsor him if he could help us, :) 12:05:18 Cool, all is done!!! 12:05:19 I'd prefer to have the adjust talk later when Alick here 12:05:34 zsun: fine 12:05:51 And I'll back to home, it's too late, :) 12:06:01 #agreed We'd adjust the amount later for the remaining amount. 12:06:04 okay 12:06:09 Thank you all 12:06:20 #undo 12:06:20 Removing item from minutes: AGREED by zsun at 12:06:01 : We'd adjust the amount later for the remaining amount. 12:06:21 * BinLi go home for dinner 12:06:28 Thanks BinLi 12:06:48 #agreed We'd balance the remaining budget later. 12:06:51 * BinLi Thanks zsun Kraks , pleasure to work with your guys!! 12:07:03 thanks BinLi for your help 12:07:06 #endmeeting