23:15:38 <Cerlyn> #startmeeting I want to keep on hacking but my hands hurt by Mel Chua and Sebastian Dziallas 23:15:38 <zodbot> Meeting started Sat Jan 29 23:15:38 2011 UTC. The chair is Cerlyn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:15:38 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 23:15:41 <Nushio> herlo: thanks 23:15:49 <Cerlyn> #chairs Nushio 23:16:00 <herlo> Cerlyn: #chair 23:16:10 <Cerlyn> #chair Nushio 23:16:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cerlyn Nushio 23:16:13 <Nushio> Emacs is full of crazy multikey combos 23:16:46 <DiscordianUK> so like the doctor said don't do that 23:16:56 <Nushio> Because Emacs is programmable you can record macros 23:17:11 <DiscordianUK> I know I love emacs 23:17:27 * Nushio is not an emacs user just trying to liveblog :P 23:18:27 <Nushio> They're showing a lot of "toys" 23:18:32 <Nushio> that help you use your laptop 23:19:14 <Nushio> They're showing excercises you can try 23:19:18 <Nushio> Uploading pictures 23:20:57 <Nushio> ugh phone's network connection is having issues uploading pictures, i apologize 23:22:45 <Nushio> Alright, I'm sorry but I can't liveblog this time. Rest assured I'll write a blog post about this with all the pictures I'm taking 23:23:01 <Nushio> They're showing a lot of different toys that help out posture and laptop usage comfortability 23:23:12 <Nushio> and it's impossible for me to discribe it and can't upload the pictures at the moment 23:23:17 <dbuchan> discussions regarding the very lively "my arms hurt" presentation 23:23:39 <dbuchan> topics: Awareness (so far nul) 23:24:01 <dbuchan> mentality -- if using the computer hurts, change hardware 23:24:31 <dbuchan> practices -- reduce chording, rest with your hands off the keyboard, use a pillow, stand up occasionally 23:24:47 <dbuchan> movents -- deep stretches, yoga, pressure points 23:25:40 <dbuchan> tools -- adjustable keyboard tray, use an ergonomic keyboard, workrave and keyboard break softwary (gnome builds in by default), external monitor, a stack of books 23:26:11 <dbuchan> varia -- adjust the computer to you, don't adjust yourself to the computer 23:26:37 <dbuchan> movement and adjusting posture and position important 23:27:21 <dbuchan> massage can help, there is a massager that works when you are alone. 23:27:57 <dbuchan> mac use: switch hands with the two fingered mouse, being ambidetrous helps. 23:28:36 <dbuchan> kinesis keyboard has a foot pedal, but the problem is that it can lead to RSI injuries in the leg ... 23:29:06 <dbuchan> use a stress ball between yourself and a wall, roll it up and down can help. 23:30:40 <dbuchan> earlier mention that emacs is notoriously difficult on the arms 23:33:43 <dbuchan> enable gnome typing break: system, preferences, keyboard, typing break tab (enable it) 23:34:40 <dbuchan> books: The Hand Book (preventing computer injury) 23:34:49 <dbuchan> books: 8 steps to a pain free back 23:36:36 <dbuchan> use a wrist glove that has bean bag integrated in it 23:39:02 <dbuchan> other suggestions: use a laptop supporter that raises the screen to eye level as well as the keyboard -- but not great for netbooks 23:40:49 <dbuchan> books: Conquering carpal tunnel syndrom (Sharon Butler) 23:41:12 <dbuchan> Books: trigger point therapy workbook 23:43:21 <dbuchan> "typing harder" makes no difference 23:47:05 <dbuchan> "prevention is better than cure" -- some people have had to stop work in IT due to the pain! 01:31:05 <zodbot> herlo: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 01:31:09 <herlo> #endmeeting 01:36:32 * nb_ will endmeeting 01:36:39 <nb_> .misc help addchair 01:36:39 <zodbot> nb_: (addchair <channel> <network> <nick>) -- Add a nick as a chair to the meeting. 01:36:48 <nb_> .addchair #fudcon-room-4 freenode nb_ 01:36:48 <zodbot> nb_: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 01:36:59 <nb_> .addchair #fudcon-room-4 freenode nb_ 01:37:01 <zodbot> nb_: Chair added: nb_ on (#fudcon-room-4, freenode). 01:37:07 <nb_> #endmeeting