23:15:38 <Cerlyn> #startmeeting I want to keep on hacking but my hands hurt by Mel Chua and Sebastian Dziallas
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23:15:41 <Nushio> herlo: thanks
23:15:49 <Cerlyn> #chairs Nushio
23:16:00 <herlo> Cerlyn: #chair
23:16:10 <Cerlyn> #chair Nushio
23:16:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: Cerlyn Nushio
23:16:13 <Nushio> Emacs is full of crazy multikey combos
23:16:46 <DiscordianUK> so like the doctor said don't do that
23:16:56 <Nushio> Because Emacs is programmable you can record macros
23:17:11 <DiscordianUK> I know I love emacs
23:17:27 * Nushio is not an emacs user just trying to liveblog :P
23:18:27 <Nushio> They're showing a lot of "toys"
23:18:32 <Nushio> that help you use your laptop
23:19:14 <Nushio> They're showing excercises you can try
23:19:18 <Nushio> Uploading pictures
23:20:57 <Nushio> ugh phone's network connection is having issues uploading pictures, i apologize
23:22:45 <Nushio> Alright, I'm sorry but I can't liveblog this time. Rest assured I'll write a blog post about this with all the pictures I'm taking
23:23:01 <Nushio> They're showing a lot of different toys that help out posture and laptop usage comfortability
23:23:12 <Nushio> and it's impossible for me to discribe it and can't upload the pictures at the moment
23:23:17 <dbuchan> discussions regarding the very lively "my arms hurt" presentation
23:23:39 <dbuchan> topics:  Awareness (so far nul)
23:24:01 <dbuchan> mentality -- if using the computer hurts, change hardware
23:24:31 <dbuchan> practices -- reduce chording, rest with your hands off the keyboard, use a pillow, stand up occasionally
23:24:47 <dbuchan> movents -- deep stretches, yoga, pressure points
23:25:40 <dbuchan> tools -- adjustable keyboard tray, use an ergonomic keyboard, workrave and keyboard break softwary (gnome builds in by default), external monitor, a stack of books
23:26:11 <dbuchan> varia -- adjust the computer to you, don't adjust yourself to the computer
23:26:37 <dbuchan> movement and adjusting posture and position important
23:27:21 <dbuchan> massage can help, there is a massager that works when you are alone.
23:27:57 <dbuchan> mac use: switch hands with the two fingered mouse, being ambidetrous helps.
23:28:36 <dbuchan> kinesis keyboard has a foot pedal, but the problem is that it can lead to RSI injuries in the leg ...
23:29:06 <dbuchan> use a stress ball between yourself and a wall, roll it up and down can help.
23:30:40 <dbuchan> earlier mention that emacs is notoriously difficult on the arms
23:33:43 <dbuchan> enable gnome typing break: system, preferences, keyboard, typing break tab (enable it)
23:34:40 <dbuchan> books:  The Hand Book (preventing computer injury)
23:34:49 <dbuchan> books:  8 steps to a pain free back
23:36:36 <dbuchan> use a wrist glove that has bean bag integrated in it
23:39:02 <dbuchan> other suggestions:  use a laptop supporter that raises the screen to eye level as well as the keyboard -- but not great for netbooks
23:40:49 <dbuchan> books:  Conquering carpal tunnel syndrom (Sharon Butler)
23:41:12 <dbuchan> Books:  trigger point therapy workbook
23:43:21 <dbuchan> "typing harder" makes no difference
23:47:05 <dbuchan> "prevention is better than cure" -- some people have had to stop work in IT due to the pain!
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