14:01:16 #startmeeting GlitterGallery New contributors social meeting 14:01:16 Meeting started Sun Mar 22 14:01:16 2015 UTC. The chair is banas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:30 #topic Introductions 14:01:43 Let's go in alphabetical order of nickname 14:01:54 so ahmedsalehfirst :) 14:02:32 so banas second :) 14:03:39 ahmedsaleh: around? 14:03:52 i guess not. 14:04:00 he has only been idle for 7 mins 14:04:08 okay, let's skip, and we'll revisit him in the end 14:04:24 Yes 14:04:26 im here 14:04:26 short introduction? 14:04:30 ah yeh go ahead 14:04:34 about time.. 14:04:36 up to you ;-) 14:04:48 okay 14:05:15 Im Ahmed Saleh 14:05:29 I study cs at the German Univesity in Cairo 14:05:32 Egypt 14:05:42 3rd yead :3 14:06:20 ah, so we have two egyptians then, cool! 14:06:21 is that enough ? 14:06:27 :D 14:06:28 :D 14:06:43 yep, cool, thanks! 14:06:53 They even use the same smiley 14:07:01 of course :D 14:07:01 haha 14:07:16 LoL 14:07:24 I'm Sarup (banas) here, have been hanging around GG for a bit, so you can blame me for whatever you don't like :-) 14:07:41 mecyborg, you next 14:07:44 SVGs!!! 14:08:30 Hi I am Nikunj Gupta. I am final year CSE student at LNMIIT, Jaipur (INDIA) 14:08:32 what about devyani7 ? 14:09:22 devyani7: hi :) 14:09:58 Please tell us about yourself devyani7 14:10:38 ah devyani7 is around! I thought she was idle. Please introduce yourself :) 14:11:19 Well, I am am Devyani Kota, open-source contributer in my pre-final year, pursuing B-Tech in CS in Durgapur. 14:11:32 oops! 14:11:34 which college? 14:11:39 banas: yep, wasn't following the logs. Suddenly, the ping :) 14:12:13 oops, sorry; am studying in Dr.B.C.Roy Engineering College. 14:12:26 phew.. that was close. 14:12:37 I happen to study in the same city ;) 14:12:55 really? which one? 14:13:08 sonalkr is from NIT Durgapur, right ? 14:13:18 Ehh... 14:13:23 ow, cool :) 14:13:37 sonalkr132: sorry, i wasn't here ! :) 14:13:38 Didn't know I had a stalker 14:14:05 hehe 14:14:11 Anyway... does mercyborg has to add anything to his intro? 14:14:19 Or may be mine. lol 14:14:25 i already did :P 14:14:36 Hi I am Nikunj Gupta. I am final year CSE student at LNMIIT, Jaipur (INDIA) 14:14:46 So thats all? 14:15:00 yeh, thanks for your introductions :) 14:15:09 let's move on to sonalkr132? 14:15:09 not fair -_- 14:15:16 Yeah 14:15:19 yaya 14:15:38 go on sonalkr. its your turn. :) 14:15:47 I am Aditya Prakash studying in NIT Durgapur, India. Well.. that much you already know 14:16:05 thanks to me :P 14:16:09 I am in my 2nd year, so everything is new and exciting for me :D 14:16:29 cool, you are from 2nd year. 14:16:31 Like the kid who can't stop laughing at soap bubbles 14:16:56 So.. immature and weird. That would be me. 14:16:59 haha, nice. 14:17:04 Next up! 14:17:06 * TheMonster picks the mic 14:17:10 hehe, cool :) thanks! 14:17:15 *claps* 14:17:19 I'm Ahmed AbouElhamayed 14:17:46 studying Computer and Systems engineering at the Faculty of Engineering - Ain Shams university 14:18:02 in the 3rd year 14:18:18 which is actually my 4th year as we have to take a preparatory year in Engineering here in Egypt :) 14:18:23 Cairo, Egypt 14:18:38 so ur older by one year :D 14:18:45 you are ** 14:18:45 yup :D 14:18:49 * TheMonster leaves the mic 14:18:53 With capital E? In middle of name? Sorry never seen anything like it. 14:19:03 ok let me explain that 14:19:11 Abou in Arabic = Father of 14:19:18 Elhamayed = ... 14:19:20 .. 14:19:25 ahmedsaleh-andro: can you translate it :D 14:19:27 ? 14:19:33 I wish 14:19:41 Anyways in Arabic that is one word 14:19:51 Elhamayed is close to Thanks 14:20:00 but I don't know how to translate it literally :D 14:20:08 lol, cool 14:20:14 Things to do before I die: Meet someone who has a capital letter in middle of his name - check 14:20:22 :D 14:20:49 great, so we're all covered then? 14:20:54 looks like it 14:21:03 zodbot, is our dear bot who handles the meetings for us. 14:21:06 zodbot: wanna say something? 14:21:08 :D 14:21:22 #topic Fedora specific stuff 14:21:33 is my nickname ahmedsaleh-andro ? Really :D 14:21:36 Did all of you get a FAS account yet? 14:21:42 yes 14:21:44 that's suppoese to be android :D 14:21:46 I did 14:22:03 okay, great 14:22:07 I did as well 14:22:10 have_FAS_account: true 14:22:11 well it seemed... strange ahmedsaleh-andro :D 14:22:17 some other random things I'd like to point out 14:22:29 what is FAS ? 14:22:52 #info https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ 14:23:04 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ 14:23:07 nope i didn't 14:23:12 FAS accounts = Fedora Account System 14:23:20 oops :D 14:23:25 so you basically get yourself registered with the fedora community 14:23:43 you'll then have a username, you'll sign a contributor agreement 14:23:48 okay, i will as soon as i get home 14:23:55 and then all of your work can be linked to your account 14:24:03 we have several working groups 14:24:20 people who focus on specific parts of fedora get added to them 14:24:29 for example, there's the design group 14:24:31 it works on wiki, right ? 14:24:53 banas: Hey.. mine is not elaborate like your but more like what rohitpaul has. Just basic contacts and stuff 14:24:56 who does artwork, website design, tshirts among other things (and who we're building GG for) 14:25:01 I hope thats good enough for now? 14:26:05 Does sketching counts? 14:27:14 mecyborg: yes it does 14:27:14 #info https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team Design Team Mailing List 14:27:14 that's the list where fedora's design team folks do stuff like agreements,meeting agenda, events and so on 14:27:14 so i'd suggest signing up 14:27:14 you'll then be in touch with people you're making stuff for :) 14:27:15 other fedora areas.. um 14:27:15 have you folks been introduced to planet yet? 14:27:28 Great 14:27:40 sonalkr132: are you referrring to the wiki page? 14:27:41 ahh.. no? 14:27:51 what is planet 14:27:56 wow you have planet too? 14:28:02 yes we do 14:28:07 #info Fedora Planet http://planet.fedoraproject.org/ 14:28:13 and yes I was referring to wiki page of users 14:28:37 sonalkr132: yep, no worries, put whatever you feel comfortable 14:28:39 this is the new main page of Fedora right ? 14:29:21 my wikipage lands up in searh results, and employers look at it, so i decided to add some stuff to it - needs updates :) 14:29:43 ahmedsaleh-andro: that link is that of planets 14:30:00 we have a lot of contributors, and all of them write posts on their personal blog 14:30:10 Exactly.. what is planet? 14:30:14 the planet is like an aggregator 14:30:25 for blogs? 14:30:47 so let's say if all of us blogged on our personal spaces with the tag glittergallery, and would like for them to show up on one place 14:30:55 then we can add them to planet 14:31:00 if you went to planet now 14:31:20 you'll find that the latest post is from adimania, for example 14:31:32 yes i can see 14:31:40 he didn't exactly write for the planet in a way you would write for a blog 14:31:44 cool.. There's a separate part for GSoC 14:31:49 cooool 14:32:04 but he simply wrote on his blog, attached a category to it, and it got fetched here 14:32:24 so while getting all of you to planet would involve us helping you land a particular fedora group 14:32:27 awesome 14:32:30 i'd encourage you to blog 14:32:35 Something which GG needs for comments and IRC 14:32:42 i will try it with my blog 14:32:42 #info Joining Fedora Summer Coding planet http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Joining_Fedora_Summer_Coding_planet 14:33:01 you might find this helpful 14:33:50 hi shubham! might want to introduce yourself, we have new faces! :) 14:34:06 Hi everyone :) 14:34:12 hi shubham :) 14:34:18 Hello 14:34:21 sorry just forgot about the meeting. really sorry fro that 14:34:32 Better late than never 14:34:53 no problem - we were just kinda introducing and i was going over some fedora medium 14:35:05 Yeah, exactly. Can I get the log. 14:35:14 Oh.. @banas, nice. 14:35:15 i'll send it over at the end of the meeting 14:35:21 Did I miss much? 14:35:28 Okay thanks. 14:35:28 no, not at all 14:35:29 no not much 14:35:42 banas: There seems to be no method of validation in summer coding planet... Is it OK if one adds himself and starts posting now? 14:36:07 there is no validation = you are able to add yourself without being given a group? 14:36:28 Thats good. You guys continue your convo, I'll try to make what you are upto 14:36:33 no I meant anyone can add himself 14:36:59 no admin confirmation or anything 14:37:17 um, I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but if you mean that you're able to post to summer coding planet, then sure, go ahead! 14:37:33 normally, you are added to a group (like design team, infra or something else) 14:37:38 yeah... I mean anyone can do if I understood correctly 14:37:44 yeah that's for the main planet 14:37:50 and then your posts start to show on planet. 14:37:54 but summer coding doesn't seem to have that requirement 14:37:58 okay, if you're able to, go ahead :) 14:38:13 oh no nvm 14:38:14 sorry 14:38:16 I missed it 14:38:18 and in general, this is for everyone, please blog about what you're working on. 14:38:22 summer coding has that requirement 14:38:25 yep 14:38:30 banas: from now? 14:39:08 yep, it's always nice to have stuff blogged - for one, it serves as some kind of documentation we can link to, it also gives the project some visbility :) 14:39:38 Alright 14:39:40 several times, I have been able to avoid long explanations to why some change was introduced by pointing to a blog link 14:39:54 Actually I was going to ask why blog but I guess that explains it 14:39:58 yes it also helps in keeping track 14:40:33 yeh, and I think I personally learned that my flow of writing improved, although i'm not saying that'll happen to anyone 14:40:52 i read some of my earliest blog posts and laugh :D 14:40:59 I did setup fedora acc. But it requires ssh access. 14:41:07 @banas: is there any other way? 14:41:23 shubham: ssh access for going to your fedorapeople? 14:41:43 not sure of any other way, i normally use the ssh - maybe you can ask in #fedora-admin 14:41:47 Yes. 14:41:56 As per - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet?rd=Planet_HowTo 14:42:50 My university doesn't provide ssh :(. I tried to make a work around. But it seems it really not possible. 14:43:04 yeh, happens to me as well, i go on personal 3g 14:43:19 anyway 14:43:24 in the interest of time, moving on 14:43:38 I think that's pretty much it in terms of fedora stuff 14:43:53 for now 14:43:53 oh yeah - some channels you might want to hang out in 14:43:57 #fedora-design 14:44:04 for design stuff 14:44:41 mizmo used to be associated with gg in the early days, she still provides us with insight on what features designers will want 14:44:52 #fedora-admin 14:45:06 for all of fedora's apps - although most of them are python based 14:45:26 you meant #fedora-apps ? 14:45:40 oh there's actually also #fedora-apps 14:45:46 thanks TheMonster 14:45:51 :) 14:46:00 most of the folks working on those apps are on admin too 14:46:07 admin is more like a superset 14:46:15 from what I've observed 14:46:24 Don't we have ones in ruby? 14:46:35 yeah... It definitely has the largest number of people 14:46:42 we have a ruby sig - special interest group 14:47:03 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ruby_SIG 14:47:06 websites? in #fedora-design ? 14:47:11 although I'm not too much in touch 14:47:16 there's a #fedora-websites 14:47:22 cool 14:47:25 and also #fedora-design 14:47:42 it's mostly mizmo or ryanlerch who helps out with websites from design team, iirc 14:47:55 (and I promise to help, but never do :P) 14:48:05 :D 14:48:09 Hey.. you are helping with GG 14:48:15 what's the process for joining the web team? 14:48:23 or any team in general 14:48:28 good question 14:48:32 gimme a sec 14:48:35 i m also looking fwd to website team 14:48:52 first of all, if you haven't checked it out already 14:48:55 #info http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ 14:49:37 I see 14:49:48 gnokii has this awesome set of slides 14:49:51 #info https://gnokii.fedorapeople.org/talks/character_slide_en.svg 14:50:05 which outlines how to reach out to various non-programming groups 14:50:13 although the process for the other groups is similar 14:50:22 join the mailing list and say hello 14:50:40 ask for their bug tracker, maybe join during a weekly group meeting and ask for starting pointers 14:50:46 and you're likely to get onboarded 14:50:50 gnokii is pretty cool :D 14:50:58 nice 14:51:18 So was the first one 14:51:28 Didn't know about whatcanido :P. nice! 14:51:42 i also wanted to make an app that helps onboarding efforts, but haven;t really had a chance to work on it 14:51:43 it is similar to mozilla 14:51:45 https://github.com/sarupbanskota/everytrack 14:51:52 mecyborg: yep, it was forked from theirs 14:52:39 so.. does that answer all your questions? 14:52:44 Aren't all fedora projects on github? 14:52:51 not all of them sonalkr132 14:52:58 Most? 14:53:11 it would be just easier to just find one which we like and send PRs 14:53:18 actually, i'm not sure. 14:53:27 i think some of them have their own bug trackers 14:53:36 like a bugzlla or trac or something 14:53:46 but most infra projects are on github 14:54:04 yeah thats the team <3 14:54:32 No offense to designers team. btw :D 14:54:44 haha, no worries - they do great work :) 14:54:53 so, next topic? 14:54:59 brb 14:55:00 yeah.. next!!! 14:55:21 okay, I'll leave a question and go 14:55:32 that will hopefully trigger a discussion 14:55:40 and i'll be back in 5 mins or so 14:55:46 #topic What are you working on? 14:55:55 leaving it to you guys 14:56:28 My proposal :D how many of you have already submitted? 14:57:01 other than writing the proposal and trying to make design decisions... In my plans, I continue my work on routes 14:57:03 still working on 14:57:05 Okay..you guys are working on many things for a month now. I always find my mail full in the morning :P. 14:57:08 and the testing 14:57:30 @TheMonster, what idea you working on? 14:57:43 I don't get the question :D 14:57:52 ..for the proposal? 14:58:00 well... Glitter Gallery :D 14:58:14 Yeah we created the biggest contribution hype GG has ever seen 14:58:17 Cheers to us :D 14:58:18 I meant: what exactly are you going to propose? 14:58:46 The improvements in the ideas list + some ideas from my mind ;) 14:59:08 Nice! i missed the idea list. Can I get the link? 14:59:11 indeed, you guys have been lovely, thank you! 14:59:32 Yeah we are awesome :D 14:59:45 @shubham: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2015 14:59:54 if you're planning on sending a proposal, now is a good time to start doing your first draft - so send them our way. 15:00:01 #info Summer coding ideas https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_coding_ideas_for_2015#Glitter_Gallery_Improvements 15:00:03 yes we are *high five* :P 15:00:08 mercyborg: thanks :) 15:00:16 *high five* 15:00:29 Paul was requesting that you guys work on improving the code linting 15:00:37 extending, rather 15:00:42 mine mine mine 15:00:45 yes i saw that 15:00:52 yeah... I want to leave that for sonalkr132 15:01:06 great :) 15:01:09 I prefer to make the design itself better and complete the tests 15:01:13 actually just the spec/ part for now 15:01:15 before the summer starts 15:01:32 I might not propose anything :(. But I'll around in helping others in summer :) 15:01:44 Just need to finish writing the proposal. 15:01:47 yes, add more tests, let's make it more comprehensive 15:01:48 related to that.. 15:02:02 there was question in mailing list of summer-code 15:02:11 i am more focussed on the design of GG 15:02:29 Are formats for submission on melange and fedora wiki suppose to be the same? 15:02:42 are u guys satisfied with the current design ? 15:02:52 personally, i'm going to be doing some new interface design and such stuff at work, so as I get better at it, I'll improve and push stuff here 15:02:53 Nope 15:03:32 Nope 15:03:48 mecyborg: you can hardly ever be satisfied with design, it's an iterative thing. 15:03:52 Whats with design.. what about all the awesome features we need so that GG is in productions :( 15:04:07 indeed 15:04:17 there's a lot of feature requests we need to attend to first, which consume more time. 15:04:28 but the design is vital 15:04:40 now that we have more people, we can definitely focus on it 15:04:56 So.. there is no near plans of getting GG in prod? 15:04:57 yes we can 15:05:30 sonalkr132: after local repo support + sparkleshare is through, we'll do something about getting an official design team thingy 15:05:51 right now people need to manually upload, which isn't fun 15:06:02 banas: ') 15:06:04 ;) 15:06:20 TheMonster: yeh, I saw that :P 15:06:24 :D 15:06:45 and general bug fixes, robust commenting, things like that 15:07:02 banas: Honestly it would be great if explain even more.. How many of you has idea how integration with sparkelshare and inkscape is suppose to work? 15:07:20 yeah 15:07:22 I still don't have much clue.. i tried to read some blogs.. still nothing 15:07:33 +1 15:07:36 sonalkr132: wait, let me fetch you a link 15:08:29 and external bug tracking - is that in priority list ? 15:08:58 hm, there used to be this article that had described it pretty well. 15:09:16 have you set up sparkleshare on your computer? 15:09:20 sparkleshare? 15:09:23 yes.. 15:09:27 feels kinda buggy tho 15:09:44 Sometimes I need to restart it for it to work 15:10:24 I can get my head around sparkleshare.. we can use to sync files. But what about inkscape? 15:10:40 inkscape isn't in the picture here (yet) 15:10:50 think of sparkleshare like dropbox 15:11:00 if you have stuff in your dropbox folder 15:11:12 let's say an svg file 15:11:18 yeah.. still we need our own server. 15:11:21 and you open in inkscape and play around with it 15:12:00 that file will get synced with your dropbox. so independent of *how* the file is changed, the syncing is dropbox's job 15:12:44 likewise, at this point, we want sparkleshare to connect with your local git repositories, and in turn the local git repos to talk to your remotely stored GG ones 15:13:09 Won't user have to set up sparkleshare on his own? 15:13:26 Things like pointing it our server 15:13:40 most of the folks using GG have SparkleShare 15:13:59 the design team folks use it 15:14:33 they don't mind doing the config work as long as they get the benefit of a visual interface for tracking changes 15:14:43 + for sparkleshare to do the syncing 15:14:44 so its a prerequisite to use GG ? 15:15:01 nope, sparkleshare and gg are independent. 15:15:09 How are we going to pick up changes which sparkleshare shows? 15:16:12 look at this wiki article for example: https://github.com/hbons/SparkleShare/wiki/Using-SparkleShare-with-Github-Repos 15:16:38 thats github repo 15:16:41 the website 15:17:29 with website it's easy. we just need to add the link of github to sparkleshare 15:18:05 with website? 15:18:13 But we won't be doing that for local repo support. repo need not be on github. how do we pick up changes then? 15:18:42 that doc explains how to use sparkleshare with github the website. 15:18:51 ah, that's just an example - think of GG being GitHub. 15:20:03 exactly.. what exact tool/gem or way would we use so that after local repo is sync with our server, we can display changes like "addie edited file.svg" 15:22:18 The sparkleshare share would just change the content of file and our website would display the new changed version but how would our website know that sparkleshare has performed a sync and notify the followers of the project 15:22:47 that sync goes via the local repo 15:23:27 um, I'm not sure at what point we're at the same page 15:23:30 sonalkr132: sparkleshare just needs a git server 15:23:51 if you're able to push, sparkleshare is able to push 15:24:47 and currently, we aren't able to push. we have other gitty stuff working, but you can't push to git repos generated via GG through the terminal 15:25:08 I understand that. But how would our website know that it did a push? i understand that contents will be changed and everything will work fine but how will we make the site aware that a push or sync happened 15:25:28 why do you want the website to know? 15:25:36 so that we can notify users? 15:25:46 add a commit to history ? 15:25:53 well... 15:25:58 if a commit is pushed 15:25:59 users = users who follow the project 15:26:02 it is added to history 15:26:02