16:05:10 #startmeeting 16:05:10 Meeting started Thu Sep 20 16:05:10 2012 UTC. The chair is Technicool. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:05:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:05:24 #action start party 16:05:29 heh 16:06:31 * johnmark looks at agenda 16:06:37 who all is here? 16:06:38 as far as new docs, still working on UFO and getting ready for ohio linuxfest next week, so not a lot of news there 16:06:52 Technicool: ok. any feedback on docs? 16:07:29 so far, I've seen hagarth, semiosis and JoeJulian will be back in a bit 16:07:33 anyone else? 16:07:42 semiosis had an idea i really liked from last weeks meeting, soliciting for real world use cases, esp. interesting ones with abnormal use cases 16:07:54 +1 16:08:03 semiosis: tell us 16:08:04 more 16:08:16 Technicool: where are the new docs hosted? 16:08:23 +2? 16:08:48 hagarth: see http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Getting_started_overview and http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/QuickStart 16:09:02 hagarth, sent them out to -users list the other day, and there is that link 16:10:07 johnmark: not much i can tell, Technicool's idea speaks for itself :) 16:10:10 http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/QuickStart 16:10:14 oopd 16:10:15 oops 16:10:32 http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Getting_started_overview 16:10:33 heh 16:10:44 ok, so wrt docs... 16:10:54 Technicool: you sent out the link to gluster-users? did anyone comment? 16:11:05 * johnmark missed it 16:11:19 johnmark, didn't check will do so after meeting 16:11:23 Technicool: ok 16:11:32 so there's that piece and then the UFO piece 16:11:36 hagarth, everything is being hosted on the wiki 16:11:48 Technicool: you can probably get some help with teh UFO doc from kaleb 16:12:03 he seems to be doing a fair bit of work on that ATM 16:12:20 migrating my test setups off of AWS as well since that account got tanked 16:12:28 Technicool: oh right. 16:12:38 Technicool: jbrooks also has a guide on setting up UFO 16:12:42 Technicool: do you think this could be the week following OLF 16:12:48 hagarth: oh yeah - forgot about him 16:12:51 yes, and yes 16:13:00 Technicool: excellent :) 16:13:16 hagarth, have read it, great write up 16:13:36 cool. has anyone had the chance to look into git <-> mediawiki integration? test it out? 16:13:46 Technicool: +1 to that 16:13:52 kkeithley will likely redo his UFO docs since he has has to revamp the packaging. 16:13:58 JoeJulian: right 16:15:04 Ok, eventually we still have to figure out how we're going to merge new docs into the git repo under the /docs/ folder 16:16:06 ok, any actions wrt docs that we can assign for next week? 16:16:14 bueller? 16:16:20 And we'll need that documented 16:16:24 JoeJulian: indeed 16:16:33 metadocs 16:17:03 or shall we move on? 16:17:37 translation: would anyone like to volunteer to look into git <-> mediawiki integration? 16:17:50 hint, hint... wink, wink 16:17:51 I'll likely be bug hunting next week since I have found a bunch of issues the last couple weeks. 16:18:06 JoeJulian: doh, ok. then we can table it for the following week 16:18:18 JoeJulian: but I do look forward to some tasty bug reports 16:18:32 All my time has been spent manually healing all the self-heal fails. 16:18:36 ouch 16:18:40 ouch ouch 16:19:20 #topic real-world use cases 16:19:26 Technicool: is that how you do it? 16:19:34 can't remember this zodbot stuff 16:20:06 i only know what zodbot tells me after startmeeting ;) but yes, seems so 16:20:15 Technicool: noted :) 16:20:36 semiosis: seems like we can just send out a notice to the lists asking how people use GlusterFS 16:20:54 I remember, way back when, doing a similar thing with Linux International 16:21:04 we had a web site with a form that had some basic questions 16:21:13 and people would fill out what they were using Linux for 16:21:14 johnmark: who's using GlusterFS might also provide some use cases 16:21:22 it was actually fairly popular 16:21:29 hagarth: exactly 16:21:43 johnmark: yeah i suggested last week that we reach out to some #gluster regulars, ask them to write a few paragraphs about their setup, bribe them with t-shirts/coffee mugs, and take care of the editing & publishing 16:21:43 semiosis: what could we use for this? 16:21:53 semiosis: sounds like a plan 16:22:01 so they dont have any overhead like setting up a blog, etc 16:22:11 semiosis: can you come up with a plan and work flow, and then we'll help you implement? 16:22:17 semiosis: nice 16:22:53 #action semiosis: write up a plan to get use-case stories from known glusterfs users 16:22:57 hope that worked 16:23:07 we could set up a google docs page, surveymonkey, whatever 16:23:18 semiosis: if not, we know where you live 16:23:23 heh 16:23:33 moving soon. bwahahahahaha 16:24:23 :) 16:24:33 ok, next - gluster.org 16:24:41 #topic gluster.org web server 16:24:59 so... who here has experience upgrading live debian servers? 16:25:05 * semiosis ducks 16:25:11 * Technicool cringes 16:25:14 LOL 16:25:38 I took the liberty of upgrading the mirrored server 16:25:52 That's difficult? 16:25:52 #action Technicool to bite the live upgrade bullet 16:25:56 and it went down after rebooting... but then mysteriously came back online 16:26:14 johnmark: probably fscking the mounts since it had been up so long :) 16:26:21 so for the live server, we should probably figure out a way to minimize downtime 16:26:29 semiosis: oh! crap, you're probably right 16:26:46 www.makes-sense.com 16:26:47 forgot to run "uptime" 16:27:06 so we need to do this soon, because the server is running debian 5, which is woefully out of date 16:27:12 lol uptime is going to be close to epoch 16:27:28 and we run the risk of security breaches if we don't take care of it soon 16:27:45 Technicool: oh, you generously volunteerd :) 16:27:56 let's send out a notice telling people when we plan to be down 16:28:09 and an estimate of how long 16:28:32 Technicool: when is up to you. I figure the weekend is best, after you get back from Ohio 16:28:34 johnmark, yup...i have a new request from uriah that i want to look at, and will be out for a few hours after this meeting, but will take a look this afternoon 16:28:35 Boot up a new instance, start puppet, then change the DNS to the newly configured server. :-) 16:28:54 JoeJulian: i have a feeling this is a bare metal dedicated server 16:29:00 JoeJulian, you are the real master of puppets ;) 16:29:14 * Technicool does heavy metal ballad in JoeJulian's honor 16:29:21 JoeJulian: well, since we already have the mirrored server upgraded, we could just switch over to that 16:29:44 JoeJulian: I'll leave that to you and Technicool 16:29:46 +1 -- if anything goes wrong with the new one under load you can switch back 16:29:53 semiosis: coolio 16:30:39 Technicool: ok, will look for word from you on the gluster-infra list 16:30:56 Sounds good. When configuring the new server, I would do a basic dom0 and create the new gluster.org in a VM to make my suggestion possible for the next time. 16:30:58 works for me 16:31:52 and then there are the dev services running on our other set of servers 16:32:01 git, gerritt, and jenkins 16:32:33 hagarth: would you like to explain to the others what the current issues are? And then I'll fill in with recent discussions I've had to move the hosting to a permanent location 16:33:08 Once you have a virtualization platform, those others become pretty easy as well. 16:33:27 JoeJulian: I think that is the smart way to go 16:33:34 er, "smarter" 16:33:51 the current issues are - we have the hosting in iweb and are looking for more reliability with respect to hosting, the build infrastructure needs an OS upgrade 16:34:09 as well as a gerrit upgrade too 16:34:31 hagarth: ok. in the meantime, would it be possible to do an OS upgrade whiel we wait to sort out the permanent hosting issues? 16:34:54 hagarth: and if that means a CentOS upgrade, I'm fine with that 16:35:13 if the powers that be want pure RHEL, then they can invest the time an dresources to make that happen :) 16:35:13 CentOS! egads! 16:35:24 Is fedorahosted no longer an option? 16:35:27 johnmark: we can probably tie the two together unless the permanent hosting issue is going to take the order of a few months :) 16:36:04 hagarth: there are two current options: RHIT, who wants to create a solution for all upstream projects, including gluster.org and ovirt.org 16:36:19 hagarth: and the open source lab at Oregon State, who could easily host all of our services 16:36:36 JoeJulian: that could be an option, but I don't want to be tied too closely to the fedora project 16:36:48 What's the advantage and disadvantages 16:36:53 hagarth: RHIT looks like end of year 16:37:04 OSL could potentially be next month 16:37:23 JoeJulian: advantages of RHIT are that I know once it's set up, it's done and will be supported with an SLA 16:37:27 johnmark: then we can perform the OS upgrade along with the hosting change 16:37:31 johnmark, if I had a pick, i would avoid RHIT if only because it seems like we will have less control there then at OSU or anywhere else 16:37:34 hagarth: sounds good 16:37:40 Technicool: agreed 16:38:04 and an advantage of the OSL is the issue of project independence and transparency 16:38:21 on the other side of that coin, we haven't had anything critical path come up that couldnt be handled within an SLA timeframe 16:38:32 I'm happy to give our requirements to the OSL guys, if someone can help me prepare that 16:38:38 Technicool: true 16:39:08 so, I'd like to specify our project requirements on the -infra list and submit it next week 16:39:52 #action johnmark, hagarth, Technicool to work on hosting requirements on -infra 16:40:14 anything else on servers? 16:40:38 ok, then 16:40:59 #topic gluster.org site design and software 16:41:31 at one time, we were going to look at alternative CMS's and an alternative to our current HelpShift Q&A site 16:42:06 I'm still working on limnor.* 16:42:14 although we may need to wait until we get the hosting and OS upgrades figured out before we can really proceed here 16:42:21 JoeJulian: limnor.*? 16:42:28 I don't remember that one 16:42:39 memory is the first thing to go :) 16:42:52 Limnoria 16:42:58 Limnora 16:43:05 Whatever it is. 16:43:11 heh, ok 16:43:44 * Technicool 's model is so old it only had 1MB of SIMM RAM anyway... 16:44:13 this? https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria 16:44:24 Technicool: lulz 16:44:27 haha 16:44:37 johnmark: you're being very cryptic 16:44:54 semiosis: so community.gluster.org 16:45:01 I dont' like it, and I want to change it 16:45:06 +1000 16:45:20 at one time, we discussed alternatives, and I know there's OSQA, which is django based 16:45:32 and JoeJulian suggested some Ruby monstrosity ;) 16:45:41 I think that's right. It's not loading though. 16:45:46 doh, ok 16:45:47 johnmark: while you were afk... this: https://twitter.com/pragmaticism/status/241231119381565440 16:46:16 semiosis: doh 16:46:24 Heh, nope 16:46:32 operators arent standing by 16:46:36 :) 16:46:45 Remembered the wrong obscure product name. 16:46:53 anyhoo... I'm down with setting up OSQA 16:46:56 helpshift 16:46:57 s/f// 16:47:01 hahaha 16:47:08 lol 16:47:10 if anybody wants to try it 16:47:11 Since I'm in the car driving, I can't get to it. 16:47:33 ah, ok. please send in your thoughts to gluster-infra when you get back to a 'puter 16:47:47 wait, WTF? 16:47:58 srsly 16:48:07 ... OK, I'm a passenger. 16:48:07 JoeJulian: oh, that's ok, don't text and drive day was yesterday 16:48:12 haha.. thank god 16:48:41 anyhoo... I'm partial to OSQA but am open to suggestions 16:49:31 so as for the current site design... I think ovirt is moving to more dependence on mediawiki 16:49:34 johnmark, do we know how much effort it would be for lance at OSU to give us access to instances? 16:49:46 But its that software that's a hosted service but they offer the source code that doesn't install. Probably because the is is so old. 16:50:03 Technicool: no, but we can ask 16:50:07 once we decide on a platform i am happy to set it up for everyone to hop on to test 16:50:10 JoeJulian: which? OSQA? or the other one? 16:50:20 JoeJulian: I've set up OSQA before with no problem 16:50:22 Other one 16:50:25 #action Eco to follow up with Lance at OSUOSL about getting access 16:50:26 ok 16:50:31 sweeeet 16:50:47 Other one was much better, technically. 16:50:54 JoeJulian, allegro? 16:51:17 ok, and I think we're just going to keep expanding our usage of mediawiki as the primary CMS and use wordpress for only the blog bits 16:51:22 No idea from here. Something ruby. 16:51:33 because it's there, it works, and everyone knows it. 16:51:40 +1 16:51:47 johnmark: re: OSQA... their twitter account hasnt seen activity since May '11, and https://github.com/OSQA/osqa/ hasn't seen a commit it 2 years :( 16:51:53 and garrett will help us design it 16:51:56 semiosis: doh. 16:52:12 that's not promising. 16:52:45 Who sent me stickers for my upcoming presentation? 16:52:56 * Technicool guesses lh 16:53:05 Yeah, she went there. 16:53:51 She probably has contacts that could help 16:54:46 JoeJulian: most likely 16:54:58 just checked on www.osqa.net 16:55:14 last release was March, 2011. there's a SVN repo: svn co http://svn.osqa.net/svnroot/osqa/trunk 16:56:30 * Technicool svn reminds him of a hilarious nsfw links he saw recently regarding git and cvs 16:56:39 :) 16:56:41 anyway 16:57:08 Shapado 16:57:16 bless you 16:57:17 JoeJulian: yes, that. worth taking a look 16:57:27 #action JoeJulian to look at shapado 16:57:41 ok, and next week hopefully jdarcy can come by and tell us about dev docs 16:57:54 aight... anything else? I think hagarth could use some sleep :) 16:58:04 and does this day and time work for most people? 16:58:12 this is better than before, yes 16:58:14 going once... 16:58:16 ok 16:58:21 going twice... 16:58:30 floor is open to anyone who wants to discuss anything 16:58:53 5 16:58:56 4 16:58:58 3 16:59:00 2 16:59:04 1 16:59:16 ok, done - we'll send over the meeting minutes 16:59:20 #endmeeting