16:06:36 <johnmark> #startmeeting
16:06:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 18 16:06:36 2012 UTC.  The chair is johnmark. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:07:07 <johnmark> so we have two new servers in use at the moment - web and download servers
16:07:09 <semiosis> pong
16:07:13 <johnmark> actually VMs on rackspace
16:07:15 <johnmark> semiosis: howdy
16:07:38 <johnmark> #action johnmark to send out an actual invite for weekly infra meetings
16:08:14 <johnmark> web server seems fine. download server seems fine. I'm liking that our new downloads are actually repo-able
16:08:22 <johnmark> and signed
16:08:37 <johnmark> any comments on either?
16:08:50 <JoeJulian> Are they moving to OSU?
16:08:51 <semiosis> still working on the ubuntu packages
16:09:38 <semiosis> want to make the "official gluster" packages the same as they would be in the debian/ubuntu repos, not my own version as currently in ppas
16:10:01 <semiosis> it's going well, may have it done this evening
16:10:11 <johnmark> semiosis: ok
16:10:19 <johnmark> JoeJulian: possibly. actually some new news ther
16:10:21 <johnmark> e
16:10:42 <johnmark> semiosis: don't be afraid to ask for help, especially since kkeithley jumped in (unexpectedly)
16:11:14 * JoeJulian is putting off working on Shapado again in case it all gets deleted again in the move.
16:11:16 <johnmark> so we (Red hat) have finally decided to order real, as in bare metal, servers for both ovirt.org and gluster.org
16:11:34 <johnmark> JoeJulian: ok, but a PoC would be useful nonetheless
16:11:47 <johnmark> JoeJulian: in your copious free time :)
16:12:45 <johnmark> the new servers are on order, as of today, and should arrive in a couple of weeks
16:12:59 <johnmark> counting the time it will take to actually set them up, assuming whoever's in charge has the time, etc....
16:13:05 <johnmark> well, this could take 1-2 months.
16:13:31 <johnmark> in the meantime, our mail server is relaying through my personal linode just so we can send mail through a server with a PTR record
16:13:57 <johnmark> so I'm inclined to just move all mail to the OSL and be done with it
16:14:09 <johnmark> and then we can host whatever on Rackspace until we get the new servers
16:14:33 <johnmark> all I know is, eco and I have spend so much time on IT the last 2 weeks, that we haven't been able to do much else
16:14:34 <JoeJulian> I can change that in 10 minutes with the API key and password.
16:14:54 <johnmark> JoeJulian: change what?
16:14:58 <JoeJulian> rDNS
16:15:08 <johnmark> ah! did you actually figure it out?
16:15:24 <johnmark> JoeJulian: oh right, I remember something about that when I was in hte midst of hell
16:15:28 <johnmark> and forgot to follow up
16:15:32 <JoeJulian> Yes, I haven't finished modifying the tool to use the new APIv2, but I can still do it by hand.
16:15:45 <johnmark> JoeJulian: wow, nice.
16:15:49 <johnmark> JoeJulian: what do you need from me?
16:16:02 <johnmark> the API key and pw?
16:16:05 <JoeJulian> yep
16:16:23 <johnmark> JoeJulian: do you have a pgp/gpg key I can encrypt that info with?
16:16:32 <johnmark> JoeJulian: wow, nice. ou
16:16:34 <johnmark> er
16:16:37 <johnmark> before I mail it to you
16:16:41 <JoeJulian> Will email you.
16:16:45 <johnmark> coolio
16:16:47 <johnmark> sweet.
16:16:52 <johnmark> cross that one off my list
16:17:12 <johnmark> #action johnmark and JoeJulian to fix PTR issue with API magic
16:17:54 <johnmark> cool. that would be super helpful because it would avoid one unnecessary move
16:18:17 <johnmark> ok, that's servers.
16:18:28 <johnmark> JoeJulian: do you want to try out shapado on gluster.org?
16:18:39 <johnmark> JoeJulian: if we migrate, we'll be able to migrate your stuff, too
16:19:02 <johnmark> or I should say *when* we migrate
16:20:18 <johnmark> because next item on the agenda, before migration, is moving off of helpshift
16:20:44 <JoeJulian> Yes, that's my plan.
16:20:53 <johnmark> and then I've been asked ot look at "agile" tools
16:21:06 <johnmark> and getting lots of positive feedback about launchpad
16:21:21 <semiosis> from others besides me?
16:21:23 <johnmark> semiosis: have you ever set up a launchpad server? I'm guessing no, becaus eit seems pretty involved
16:21:24 <semiosis> or just me ;)
16:21:32 <johnmark> semiosis: yeah, from others, too
16:21:45 <johnmark> one guy in the CTO's office asked me about it, whether we could set up our own instnace
16:21:50 <johnmark> or find some alternative to it
16:22:02 <johnmark> I told him they all suck, generally speaking :)
16:22:35 <johnmark> semiosis: last time I looked at the open source launchpad repo, it looked pretty hairy to actually do anything useful
16:22:55 <johnmark> but that was over a year ago. I haven't been keeping up with the project
16:23:02 <semiosis> https://dev.launchpad.net/
16:23:05 <johnmark> right
16:23:09 <semiosis> just to get that in the log
16:23:41 <johnmark> #link https://dev.launchpad.net/
16:23:59 <johnmark> so it could be that I'm just not competent enough ot stand it up
16:24:16 <johnmark> or it's pretty tied to ubuntu
16:24:27 <johnmark> not entirely sure
16:24:44 <semiosis> should i even bother to ask why not use launchpad.net?
16:25:30 <johnmark> semiosis: because we want everything on gluster.org
16:25:37 <semiosis> launchpad manages a whole ecosystem, setting up your own launchpad for one project seems overkill
16:25:43 <johnmark> I would be happy to use their service, if I could pay to have it be on the gluster.org domain
16:25:58 <johnmark> semiosis: ah, but that's the thing - it won't be for just one project
16:26:03 <semiosis> maybe redhat could set up a launchpad & provide it to their whole ecosystem :)
16:26:17 <johnmark> and that gets into something that I'll be sending out to the advisors list very soon
16:26:23 <johnmark> semiosis: exactly :)
16:27:23 <semiosis> not holding my breath
16:27:23 <johnmark> semiosis: expect to see more projects become a part of gluster.org
16:27:27 <johnmark> haha!
16:27:29 <johnmark> heh :)
16:27:32 <johnmark> well, or something like it
16:29:19 <johnmark> semiosis: you're not doubting me, are you? ;)
16:29:45 <semiosis> idk of anything quite like it, but if you give up the build system & ppas then trac, redmine, and jira (to name just a few) are viable self-hosted options
16:30:15 <johnmark> semiosis: right. I've used trac and redmine in the past
16:31:11 <johnmark> jira's another option, but I really prefer something open source
16:31:15 <semiosis> me too
16:31:19 <johnmark> ok
16:31:47 <johnmark> and honestly, launchpad seems to be a much better solution than trac or redmine, both of whihc I've never liked
16:32:19 <johnmark> anyhoo... something we need to start investigating along with Q&A platforms
16:32:22 <JoeJulian> What ever happened to the idea of the github clone?
16:32:46 <johnmark> JoeJulian: you mean github integration?
16:33:07 <johnmark> I think that was jdarcy or Eco's idea
16:33:22 <johnmark> #action follow up with jdarcy and eco re: github integration / clone
16:33:40 <JoeJulian> gitlab
16:33:43 <johnmark> JoeJulian: an, ok
16:33:46 * johnmark looks
16:34:15 <johnmark> #link http://gitlabhq.com/
16:34:24 <semiosis> yea gitlab & gitorious are both github clones
16:34:26 <johnmark> definitely something to look at
16:34:30 <semiosis> #link http://gitorious.org/
16:34:46 <johnmark> semiosis: cool
16:34:59 <johnmark> so there are a couple of different directions to go
16:36:02 <johnmark> I think the best thing is to see if there's enough interest from other projects to share some of the cost and time of investigating these
16:36:31 <johnmark> so a gitorious/gitlab/launchpad instance that served multiple projects and ecosystems would make a lot of sense
16:36:34 <johnmark> I think
16:36:35 <semiosis> yeah if it's just for glusterfs, my vote is to use hosted services for everything except core stuff, like jenkins
16:36:41 <johnmark> ok
16:36:51 <johnmark> semiosis: yeah, I'm with you
16:37:07 <johnmark> otherwise, maintenance gets to be way too problematic
16:37:16 <JoeJulian> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2012-08-17/gluster-meeting.2012-08-17-02.02.log.html#l-73
16:38:56 <johnmark> JoeJulian: which part are you calling out?
16:40:00 <JoeJulian> Just adding the reference back to where we'd previously discussed gitlab.
16:40:07 <johnmark> JoeJulian: ah, ok
16:40:36 <johnmark> #action make sure to invite someone from engineering team to discuss collab software
16:40:42 <johnmark> cool
16:40:52 <johnmark> ok. anything else on your minds?
16:41:02 <JoeJulian> #topic swag
16:41:14 <JoeJulian> As you had assigned to me whilst I was absent:
16:41:17 <JoeJulian> #link http://www.gluster.org/community/documentation/index.php/Swag
16:41:35 <johnmark> ah!
16:41:43 <johnmark> heh heh
16:41:53 <semiosis> #link http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/gluster-meeting/2012-10-18/gluster-meeting.2012-10-18-16.06.log.html#l-126
16:42:14 <semiosis> ^^ self-referential link?  we'll see ;)
16:42:15 <jdarcy> Bitbucket seems to have gotten a lot better recently too.
16:42:18 <johnmark> haha!
16:42:35 <johnmark> jdarcy: somebody else was telling me that
16:42:37 <johnmark> jdarcy: he lives!
16:42:48 <johnmark> jdarcy: someday we need to discuss dev docs, but that's probably not today
16:43:12 <jdarcy> Probably not.  ;)
16:43:28 <johnmark> ok, so bitbucket, gitorious, gitlab and launchpad
16:43:37 <johnmark> 3 of those allow self-hosting, and I don't think bitbucket does
16:44:05 <JoeJulian> #action Technicool to email gluster-users about swag and encourage their participation
16:44:15 <semiosis> +1
16:44:17 <johnmark> JoeJulian: excellent idea
16:44:55 <JoeJulian> hmm, what else can we assign to him...
16:45:01 <johnmark> ok, swag - I <3 good mugs. and t-shirts. we can't go crazy, but I'd be happy with both of htse
16:45:04 <johnmark> heh
16:45:12 <johnmark> JoeJulian: surprise him
16:45:22 <JoeJulian> I need those mugs in less than a month now...
16:45:29 <johnmark> oh. crap. ok
16:45:36 <jdarcy> I could design some shirts for you.  ;)
16:45:37 <johnmark> JoeJulian: what date, specifically?
16:45:42 <johnmark> jdarcy: haha
16:45:45 <JoeJulian> Nov 8
16:45:49 <johnmark> jdarcy: those might come in handy
16:45:51 <jdarcy> Cafepress does mugs, right?
16:45:57 <semiosis> JoeJulian: whats that date?
16:46:02 <JoeJulian> Yeah, but they're crap.
16:46:07 <jdarcy> Sad.
16:46:09 <johnmark> jdarcy: yes, they do. not as cheaply as other places, but good in a pinch for a small order
16:46:17 <johnmark> semiosis: about to ask the same thing
16:46:19 <JoeJulian> I'm doing an intro to glusterfs at SASAG.
16:46:26 <johnmark> JoeJulian: oh right, you told me that
16:46:41 <johnmark> #action johnmark to expedite a swag order for JoeJulian
16:46:41 <semiosis> JoeJulian: cool!
16:46:52 <JoeJulian> I do have stickers.
16:46:59 <semiosis> me too hahaha
16:47:07 <JoeJulian> But considering I have a MooseFS mug, we should do better. :)
16:47:09 <johnmark> heh :)
16:47:14 <johnmark> JoeJulian: yes, definitely
16:47:17 <jdarcy> What we need is a modular mug, just add rings to make it bigger, add handles, etc.
16:47:23 <johnmark> lulz
16:47:31 <JoeJulian> LOL! That would be awesome!
16:47:33 <johnmark> yes, that's exactly what we need
16:47:37 * johnmark will get right on that
16:47:46 * jdarcy investigates 3d printing services.
16:48:49 <semiosis> jdarcy: lids & carabiner hooks needed too
16:48:57 <semiosis> s/hooks/loops/
16:49:28 <johnmark> interesting
16:49:35 <johnmark> heh
16:49:48 <johnmark> anyhoo.... anything else other than swag
16:49:56 <johnmark> JoeJulian: I'll try to get an order placed by next week
16:50:02 <johnmark> which means we'll have to suss out a design pronto
16:50:16 <semiosis> johnmark: ants!
16:50:34 <semiosis> the big iconic one, and little "realistic" ants all over the mug
16:50:43 <JoeJulian> yep
16:50:47 <johnmark> heh heh
16:50:49 <JoeJulian> Was thinking the same thing
16:50:51 * johnmark likey
16:51:32 <johnmark> aight
16:51:39 <semiosis> would be neat if they could print them inside.... here, i made you a cup of coffee... to the unsuspecting victim lol
16:51:45 <johnmark> will try to send out some designs in a couple of days
16:51:50 <johnmark> haha!
16:51:52 <semiosis> j/k that's unnecessary
16:51:59 <johnmark> yeah, wasn't going to do that
16:52:06 <johnmark> although it is pretty funny
16:52:50 <johnmark> ok. I think we're done.
16:53:01 <johnmark> I know soemone who can help us with the design
16:53:11 <johnmark> will send them a request for help today
16:53:35 <johnmark> woohoo! servers! migrations! ants! progress!
16:53:44 <johnmark> ok, anything else...
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16:54:09 <johnmark> #endmeeting