2023-11-22 21:01:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !startmeeting fedora-mobility
2023-11-22 21:01:34 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2023-11-22 21:01:30 UTC
2023-11-22 21:01:34 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora-mobility'
2023-11-22 21:01:46 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !topic Intro / Arrival
2023-11-22 21:02:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Yoda / tor.sh you around for meeting? ;)
2023-11-22 21:02:15 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> yup! hey
2023-11-22 21:02:39 <@-yoda:matrix.org> o/
2023-11-22 21:03:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So... what shall we talk about? ;)
2023-11-22 21:03:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> #topic General discussion
2023-11-22 21:03:47 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !topic General dicussion
2023-11-22 21:04:00 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> I'm still trying to find folks willing to take up some of my packages.
2023-11-22 21:04:12 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> one person commented on the forum but then I completely dropped the ball
2023-11-22 21:04:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so which packages is that again? as you know I have been burried under, but... I should have some more time during the holidays I hope.
2023-11-22 21:05:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I also said I would write a 'state of the sig' type post, but still haven't done it...
2023-11-22 21:06:13 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> well I'm trying to ease out of being a packager because of "reasons" so all of my packages 😂 which is the bulk of Phosh related packages and mobility. 
2023-11-22 21:06:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I've gotten pretty sad about no actual upstream supported hardware. :( It seems like we are just going to have a remix forever...
2023-11-22 21:07:26 <@-yoda:matrix.org> yeah, it is like no one want to upstream anything, anymore
2023-11-22 21:07:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I can try and look at the list (although I don't really need more packages to not have time to look at)
2023-11-22 21:08:02 <@-yoda:matrix.org> we need to figure out, what to do with the defective Phosh images
2023-11-22 21:08:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah. drop them in f40 I guess, unless something changes or some ready to keep them for x86 testing... ?
2023-11-22 21:08:49 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> I never had any interest in supporting a remix forever. My goal was to get fedora mobile to be a reality. But it definitely seems DOA now...
2023-11-22 21:09:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I did see kde folks were interested in a plasma image again... but... it would have many of the same issues the phosh one does
2023-11-22 21:09:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yes, same here. I wanted remix for a short term shim, but... progress on upstream seems... not.
2023-11-22 21:09:33 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> yup
2023-11-22 21:10:09 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so I guess I really need to sit down and write up that 'state of things' post...
2023-11-22 21:10:24 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> since I don't think people are really aware. Might get more folks/energy/etc
2023-11-22 21:11:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I was also hoping something like openplus6t would get upstream support and we could focus there.
2023-11-22 21:11:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> But that also seeems... far away.
2023-11-22 21:12:23 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> Indeed...
2023-11-22 21:13:25 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so it's all rather sad and depressing. ;(
2023-11-22 21:15:02 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> A part of my burnout 😅
2023-11-22 21:15:17 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> couldn't keep pushing forced optimism 
2023-11-22 21:16:04 <@-yoda:matrix.org> Well, it can be difficult to continue the Phosh images, if we have no one to update the Phosh packages
2023-11-22 21:16:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> indeed.
2023-11-22 21:17:35 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> if the packages get orphaned thats that... but also... the phosh images aren't that useful. No initial-setup, no hardware that actually runs them (except I guess some server/soc aarch64 board)
2023-11-22 21:17:53 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> I've never once gotten those images to boot
2023-11-22 21:18:01 <@-yoda:matrix.org> but at least it seems the KDE Sig will start making plasma-mobile images soon
2023-11-22 21:18:21 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah, but of course it will have the same hardware support issues.
2023-11-22 21:18:22 <@-yoda:matrix.org> You mean the official one ?
2023-11-22 21:18:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> yeah.
2023-11-22 21:18:42 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> yes
2023-11-22 21:20:03 <@-yoda:matrix.org> right - it needs some fixes to be done. Maybe I can take a look at that soon, as there is no more problems with the remixes now
2023-11-22 21:20:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> well, there's the 'no initial setup' thing... and some other tweaks, but the big issue is that no mobile hardware would work with the fedora kernel, right?
2023-11-22 21:21:06 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I mean, it might boot, but ppp won't get video or network, and pp might not even boot.
2023-11-22 21:21:10 <@-yoda:matrix.org> I need to go for a short time - be back in 5-10 min
2023-11-22 21:22:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok.
2023-11-22 21:24:48 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> So, not sure what else to talk about today... If one of you has time to draft up a state of the sig doc that would be awesome, otherwise I can try and do it soon (I am supposed to be off this week, but have family things going on too).
2023-11-22 21:25:37 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> I too have obligatory events scheduled for a while heh...
2023-11-22 21:29:27 <@-yoda:matrix.org> back again
2023-11-22 21:30:07 <@-yoda:matrix.org> nothing else from me
2023-11-22 21:31:05 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, if I can draft something up, I can ask for feedback from you both before posting...
2023-11-22 21:31:21 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> thank you for taking that on
2023-11-22 21:32:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> it needs doing... not sure it's a restfull vaacation item, but oh well. ;)
2023-11-22 21:32:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> ok, if nothing else then will close out?
2023-11-22 21:32:28 <@tor.sh:matrix.org> sounds good 
2023-11-22 21:32:34 <@-yoda:matrix.org> yes
2023-11-22 21:34:14 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Thank you both...
2023-11-22 21:34:16 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> !endmeeting