#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:32:04

!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:32:08

Meeting started at 2024-01-31 16:32:04 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:32:08

The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:32:09

!topic roll call

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:32:38

!hi

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:32:45

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:56

Michael Armijo (marmijo)

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:32:56

Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

16:33:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:33:05

Yasmin Valim de Souza (ydesouza)

<@jdoss:beeper.com>

16:34:14

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:18

No Fedora Accounts users have the @jdoss:beeper.com Matrix Account defined

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:34:19

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:21

None (jlebon)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:34:25

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:27

Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his

<@jdoss:beeper.com>

16:34:32

!hello jdoss

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:33

Joe Doss (jdoss)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:34:39

travier: FYI: I added a ticket to the meeting checklist

<@jdoss:beeper.com>

16:34:52

Hello FCOS folks

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:34:58

!hello spresti

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:34:59

Steven Presti (spresti)

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

16:35:15

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:35:16

No Fedora Accounts users have the @fifofonix:matrix.org Matrix Account defined

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

16:35:22

!hello fifofonix

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:35:24

Fifo Phonics (fifofonix)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:36:40

!topic Action items from last meeting

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

16:37:00

.hi

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:10

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2024-01-24/102641

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:13

We have actions!

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:21

Action items spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection` jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:32

Action items * spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide * dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection` * jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications * fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more * fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:40

Any updates on thoses?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:53

Any updates on those?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:38:05

Action items: - spresti to investigate if there are actions we need to take to pre-test golang 1.22 before it hits rawhide - dustymabe to open an issue for further investigating `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection` - jlebon to open an issue for F40 communications - fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems more - fifofonix to coordinate with travier a time to collaborate and understand the problems related to fwupd more

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:38:08

!info dustymabe opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1656 to track `Enable IPv4 Address Conflict Detection`

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:38:26

!info jlebon opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1655

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:38:34

!info jlebon opened https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1655 for the F40 communications

<@jmarrero:matrix.org>

16:38:42

.hi

<@fifofonix:matrix.org>

16:39:54

!info fifofonix spoke to travier re fwupd which was a lot more complicated than fifofonix understood. fifofonix only qualified to test with some suggested conf settings to stop agent after a time period. and is figuring that out.

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:40:35

!info spresti researched and posted docs on golang 1.22 here https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626#issuecomment-1910993267\

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:40:54

fifofonix: travier does that mean we need to find another volunteer - or does it mean fifofonix just needs more help than anticipated?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:41:33

I think one of those is more difficult that the other and we likely need more people looking at it

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:41:57

Oh goodness can we edit our info's I added an unintentional '\'

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:42:14

Oh goodness can we edit our info's I added an unintentional '\\'

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:42:42

Not sure, maybe give it a try?

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:43:30

!info spresti researched and posted comment on how golang 1.22 needs to be addressed =>here https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626#issuecomment-1910993267

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:43:48

So we need an additional volunteer for the fwupd issue

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:44:02

Let's start with what we have on the agenda

<@spresti:fedora.im>

16:44:08

Eh, looks like no, It edited fine but I dont think the bot picked it up

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:44:18

!topic tracker: Fedora 40 changes considerations

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:44:23

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1626

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:44:46

Should we resume where we left off last week?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:45:20

130. Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:45:33

yeah. one sec - let me update the description real quick

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:45:42

130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:46:14

ok - updated

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:46:53

Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:47:10

130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:47:40

!info 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:47:54

!info 130 - Boost 1.83 upgrade

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:48:18

Should not impact us

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:48:37

!info 131. Removing OpenSSL 1.1 package

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:48:57

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveOpensslCompat

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:49:09

Should not impact us either

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:49:21

!info 132. SPDX License Phase 3

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:49:31

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SPDX_Licenses_Phase_3

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:50:08

I think this is happening progressively already?

<@jmarrero:matrix.org>

16:50:46

I believe so, we updated a bunch of specs in the past.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:50:52

we had a ticket last cycle I think for making sure all our packages were compliant

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:51:12

i'd be interested if there is a current list of non-compliant packages to see if any of ours are on it

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:51:18

https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1497

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:52:32

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1497

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:52:34

love the checkbox list there ✔️

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:52:54

!info 133. Build Fedora Cloud Edition Images Using Kiwi in Koji

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:53:03

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:53:22

Should not impact us (and we're doing osbuild)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:53:40

!info 134. Enable systemd service hardening features for default system services

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:53:52

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SystemdSecurityHardening

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:54:27

i wish 133 went into more details on what the misalignment with osbuild was

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:55:18

I've heard that kiwi is much easier to work with than osbuild

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:55:35

and understands comps, etc.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:56:04

but I don't have first hand experience with kiwi so I can not confirm

<@jdoss:beeper.com>

16:56:31

I gotta bounce early folks 👋

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:56:57

travier: interesting, thanks.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:57:32

134: there's a bunch of ostree services in there. we should turn those on upstream though

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:57:43

134 is a bit vague. Looks like changes will happen on a per-package basis and not system wide

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:58:35

it really should be "try upstream first, and then resort to packaging level", but i can appreciate that being way more work

<@jmarrero:matrix.org>

16:58:46

I can create a issue in ostree to track this and see which ones we can add. It looks like we would not want to enable the private netrwork etc.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:59:47

Is there actually a service in ostree?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:00:12

travier: no long-running ones if that's what you mean

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:00:22

ah, it's the onshot units

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:00:29

ah, it's the oneshot units

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

17:00:40

I worked in kiwi in the past, to create ova image for suse. It was much easier to work than OsBuild

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:01:05

it wouldn't be hard to test the impact of this by opening a PR and seeing what upstream CI says

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:01:17

Renata Ravanelli: Oh, I'll need your help then for another secret project!

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:01:30

Renata Ravanelli: Oh, I'll need your help then for another secret project! 🍎

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

17:01:54

It accepts scripts and everything inside the image itself. The part that is not good, is that you need to add package by package

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:02:04

OK, should we open an issue to track hardeding our units?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:02:09

OK, should we open an issue to track hardening our units?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:02:17

SGTM!

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:02:47

!action travier open an issue to track hardening our units

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:05

!info 135. GNU Toolchain Update (gcc 14.0, binutils 2.41, glibc 2.39, gdb 14.1)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:12

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNUToolchainF40

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:16

this should not impact us

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:31

well, it will, but there is nothing specific to do

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:49

on to the smaller ones

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:03:53

agree

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:03:59

!info 214. Move /var/run selinux-policy entries to /run

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:04:04

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Move_var_run_selinux_policy_entries_to_run

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:04:22

I don't think we need to do anything here

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:05:09

!info Update Kubernetes to v1.29 in Rawhide

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:05:18

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Kubernetes-1.29

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

17:05:30

travier: fyi https://github.com/ravanelli/kiwi/tree/master/SLES/SLES12SP4

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:05:35

We don't ship kubernetes in FCOS

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:06:46

i mean... ideally we'd have a story there and collaborate way more with the new maintainers 😢

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:06:47

!info Haskell GHC 9.6 and Stackage LTS 22

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:07:01

interesting that it's a change request for rawhide

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:07:02

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Haskell_GHC_9.6_and_Stackage_22

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:07:13

we don't have GHC/Haskell packages in FCOS AFAIK

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:07:21

interesting that the k8s change is a change request for rawhide

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:07:37

SKIPIT

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:07:49

I think it's just a wording/process error

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:09:04

!info Podman 5

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:09:10

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Podman5

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:09:53

hum, don't we already have something to track that?

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:10:10

yes

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:10:13

https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:10:17

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:10:22

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1629

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:11:02

we knew it was coming but they hadn't submitted the proposal yet

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:11:06

!info Unified Kernel Support Phase 2

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:11:12

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Unified_Kernel_Support_Phase_2

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:12:43

some of those dep chain changes might impact us (i.e. we might need to name packages explicitly

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:12:45

some of those dep chain changes might impact us (i.e. we might need to name packages explicitly)

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:12:50

this one is using kiwi to build the cloud images

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:13:48

https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/9

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:14:12

It's interesting for the UKI work to support that in FCOS but not something we need to act on now

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:15:02

!info 219. Fedora Atomic Desktops

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:15:09

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AtomicDesktops

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:15:15

This is a name change only.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:15:59

OK, I think we're good. dustymabe can I let you update the comment with the updates? (later)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:16:23

yep.. i've been writing down notes as we've been discussing these - thanks for driving travier

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:16:52

!topic systemd-homed.service & systemd-pstore.service are enabled by default

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:16:57

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1518

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:17:33

So, this was different before as we "preset-all" but it has been fixed in Fedora to match what we do

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:18:09

Should we do anything? Should we disable/mask systemd-homed given that we likely don't support it?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:18:20

or just do nothin and move on

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:18:26

or just do nothing and move on

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:18:52

Fresh systemd-homed discussion: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/homed-during-installation/103876

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:19:33

hmm

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:19:54

I don't know if I have a strong opinion. I guess I'd be interested to know if it doesn't work at all for us.

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:19:57

are there any fundamental reasons why homed wouldn't work?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:20:07

heh :)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:20:15

if it doesn't then masking it might be the right thing to do. but we'd probably want to doc somewhere on our docs site why

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:20:56

apparently, according to user reports, it does not work well but I haven't tried it

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:22:29

As it's not a priority / main use case for FCOS, I'd say we leave it as is until someone complains

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:22:39

or until someone investigates

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

17:22:51

agreed. was essentially typing the same thing :)

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:23:25

yeah. i mean if it doesn't work in Fedora then it won't work in FCOS and we shouldn't work to make it work I don't think (at least not a high priority)

<@spresti:fedora.im>

17:24:04

Sorry all, I have to drop early :/

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:24:40

OK, let's leave it as is. If someone is interested, they can investigate support

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:25:09

dustymabe: should we talk about the last item? We only have 5 min so maybe next time?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:25:28

I should have ordered it before the previous one

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

17:25:32

yeah, SGTM - in the meantime add comments to the ticket if you want

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:25:42

!topic Open Floor

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:25:50

Will close in 5 minutes

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:27:15

I've started working / looking at minikube (for teaching and works well as a learning tools). I'm looking at making an FCOS variant of it. It's currently based on buildroot and while it's minimal for sure, it's super custom to maintain.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:27:26

I've started working / looking at minikube (for teaching and works well as a learning tool). I'm looking at making an FCOS variant of it. It's currently based on buildroot and while it's minimal for sure, it's super custom to maintain.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:30:29

Alright, if we have nothing else.

<@siosm:matrix.org>

17:30:33

!endmeeting