2024-02-28 18:00:02 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !startmeeting EPEL Steering Committee
2024-02-28 18:00:05 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-02-28 18:00:02 UTC
2024-02-28 18:00:05 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL Steering Committee'
2024-02-28 18:00:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !topic howdy
2024-02-28 18:00:18 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-02-28 18:00:19 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 18:00:33 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 18:00:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)
2024-02-28 18:02:19 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 18:02:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 18:03:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2024-02-28 18:03:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 18:04:36 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-02-28 18:04:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> seems like light attendance this week
2024-02-28 18:04:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 18:05:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> I just sent a reminder in that other room
2024-02-28 18:06:22 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2024-02-28 18:06:24 <@smooge:fedora.im> here
2024-02-28 18:06:45 <@smooge:fedora.im> .. needs 3 cups of coffee and something to remove the icepick in his eye
2024-02-28 18:07:05 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !topic End Of Life (EOL) dates
2024-02-28 18:07:13 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !info RHEL 7 and EPEL 7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30
2024-02-28 18:07:18 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://endoflife.date/rhel
2024-02-28 18:07:23 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !info CentOS Stream 8 and EPEL 8 Next goes EOL in 2024-05-31
2024-02-28 18:07:31 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://endoflife.date/centos-stream
2024-02-28 18:08:00 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i only feel like bringing up the ones happening this year
2024-02-28 18:08:14 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !topic EPEL Issues
2024-02-28 18:08:20 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2024-02-28 18:09:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> no issue! yay
2024-02-28 18:09:09 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> there's nothing tagged for the meeting, does anyone have any existing issues they want to call attention to in this topic?
2024-02-28 18:09:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> I don't have any, I do have something for open floor
2024-02-28 18:10:25 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> ok moving on then
2024-02-28 18:10:28 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !topic Old Business
2024-02-28 18:10:43 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> outside of the issue tracker, does anyone have any old business to revisit?
2024-02-28 18:11:29 <@smooge:fedora.im> how many coconuts has Troy bowled with?
2024-02-28 18:11:33 <@salimma:fedora.im> I guess I have a quick one
2024-02-28 18:12:04 <@salimma:fedora.im> mailman introduced a new package recently, mailman-web, which we initially missed. it's now in EPEL9 together with one extra dep that was not there (python-whoosh)
2024-02-28 18:12:17 <@salimma:fedora.im> EPEL Packagers SIG got saddled with more packages :P
2024-02-28 18:12:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> whoosh is a helluva name for a piece of software
2024-02-28 18:13:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> it goes over my head
2024-02-28 18:13:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> whoosh
2024-02-28 18:14:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-02-28 18:14:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-02-28 18:14:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: when I auth to add a group to the ACL for mailman-web I keep getting redirected to another dist-git package I opened recently and then it 405's. weird.
2024-02-28 18:15:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> and now I can't repro
2024-02-28 18:15:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> something is goofy about the ipsilon redirect
2024-02-28 18:16:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> anyway, that is solved. anyone else has old business?
2024-02-28 18:16:36 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i guess i have one
2024-02-28 18:17:02 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> regarding the meeting conflict last week with the server wg, i spoke with peter about it some more
2024-02-28 18:17:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> after some initial pushback, he agreed that it could be brought up for discussion at the next server wg meeting (which is next wednesday)
2024-02-28 18:19:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> just in time for DST to destroy us all.
2024-02-28 18:19:24 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> he seems pretty set of having the meeting rotate times so it's always the same time for him in germany, so if we were to co-exist in the #meeting:fedoraproject.org room they would have to move an hour earlier (with their rotation), or we would have to move an hour later (which based on our whenisgood is simply not going to work)
2024-02-28 18:19:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ugh
2024-02-28 18:19:44 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> worst case scenario we just stay here in -1, but it's at least worth a discussion i think
2024-02-28 18:19:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the overlap between Server users and EPEL contributors is high too
2024-02-28 18:20:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't really want to do double/triple duty for meetings
2024-02-28 18:20:07 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yes i brought that up, that it would be better for people to be able to attend both
2024-02-28 18:20:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> I don't think we want to move later, it's late enough for EU
2024-02-28 18:20:21 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> in fact that's the most important aspect
2024-02-28 18:20:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> so yeah for him since he's set on EU-floating time moving earlier would help him right?
2024-02-28 18:20:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> I personally can do either meeting earlier, but I take it some people have conflicts if we go one hour early
2024-02-28 18:21:09 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> possibly, but he seemed fairly against any change at all, but i was able to persuade him to at least discuss it at their next meeting
2024-02-28 18:21:16 <@smooge:fedora.im> I am for a pig wrestling match determines the winner of the channel and timeslot
2024-02-28 18:21:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> one hour early puts us in conflict with Stream and EPEL open hours
2024-02-28 18:21:30 <@salimma:fedora.im> Server users who use it to dogfood Stream and RHEL I guess?
2024-02-28 18:21:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and two hours early is Hyperscale conflict
2024-02-28 18:21:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> (wearing my work hat, we don't since we just dogfood ELN straight instead)
2024-02-28 18:22:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> who here apart from Neal attend Server meetings regularly though
2024-02-28 18:22:29 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i brought up that the 1800 timeslot for epel was really our only option
2024-02-28 18:22:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> if they need to talk to you (for image issues) they should find a time that work with your other commitments :)
2024-02-28 18:22:53 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> so if you're interested in being able to attend both meetings, show up to their next meeting to voice that concern
2024-02-28 18:23:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I probably will
2024-02-28 18:23:37 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> does that mean no sig meeting next week here?  /ducks
2024-02-28 18:24:02 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> sig meeting?  you mean the steering commitee meeting (this one)?
2024-02-28 18:24:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no it means I'm doing double duty next week
2024-02-28 18:24:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (or potentially triple duty depending on scheduling)
2024-02-28 18:24:51 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we could always skip the meeting next week, since troy is out anyways
2024-02-28 18:25:32 <@salimma:fedora.im> should we vote on that
2024-02-28 18:25:59 <@smooge:fedora.im> Please vote.. do we skip next weeks meeting?
2024-02-28 18:26:01 <@smooge:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 18:26:13 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> next week is an epel office hours meeting, so we'd still have a chance to talk about anything pressing
2024-02-28 18:26:21 <@davide:cavalca.name> I'm ok with skipping
2024-02-28 18:26:24 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> then definitely +1 from me
2024-02-28 18:26:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> some of us will be at SCaLE two weeks from now
2024-02-28 18:26:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> though I think there's nothing on the Wednesday so we can still do a meeting? maybe with some of us in person silently typing instead of talking to each other :P
2024-02-28 18:26:58 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, let's skip next week's - +1
2024-02-28 18:27:01 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> indeed, i believe i'll be on a plane during this meeting time on the 13th
2024-02-28 18:27:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Yes, we should skip the SCaLE week one
2024-02-28 18:27:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh wait, Davide Cavalca and I will be at some work outing that day
2024-02-28 18:27:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> so skip two meetings in a row, and just do the EPEL office hour next week?
2024-02-28 18:27:40 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm +1 to my own suggestion of skipping
2024-02-28 18:27:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2024-02-28 18:27:57 <@dherrera:fedora.im> +1
2024-02-28 18:28:02 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah we'll be fine, we can always chat async if something comes up
2024-02-28 18:28:08 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> is there a special matrix bot command for votes, or do we just use `!info`
2024-02-28 18:28:16 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think just info
2024-02-28 18:28:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> use `!agreed`
2024-02-28 18:28:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> a poll bot would be so nice, I miss it from platforms that have it
2024-02-28 18:29:44 <@smooge:fedora.im> !agreed EPEL SIG will skip 2024-03-06 meeting
2024-02-28 18:30:28 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> ah, `!agreed` is what i wanted
2024-02-28 18:30:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> Should we vote for the 03-13 too?
2024-02-28 18:30:37 <@smooge:fedora.im> !info Next EPEL Street Committee will be on chat on 2023-03-13
2024-02-28 18:31:10 <@smooge:fedora.im> !info Next EPEL Steering committee (thanks autocorrect) office hours will still be on 2023-03-06
2024-02-28 18:32:09 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think for the 3-13 one, troy will be back, and it's just a few of us that will be out for scale
2024-02-28 18:32:23 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm fine skipping if others want to, but i'm not sure it's necessary
2024-02-28 18:32:29 <@smooge:fedora.im> this has been my usual Coup-de-tat of the EPEL Steering Committee meeting when Troy is away. Alexander Haig OUT
2024-02-28 18:32:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you, me, Davide, and Michel will at least be gone
2024-02-28 18:34:17 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> Smooge and I will plan something sinister like Pinky and The Brain
2024-02-28 18:35:25 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> ok let's move this along, what topic were we on?
2024-02-28 18:35:36 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think old biz
2024-02-28 18:35:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !topic Open Floor
2024-02-28 18:35:54 <@yselkowitz:fedora.im> epel 10 schedule?
2024-02-28 18:36:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i can speak to that a bit, but i believe Michel Lind🎩 said he had something first
2024-02-28 18:36:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> Ah one sec 
2024-02-28 18:37:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> I will ask to get llvm15 and clang15 branched for epel9 as soon as I get local builds tested
2024-02-28 18:37:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> Since app stream dropped 15 and only has 16 and 17 now
2024-02-28 18:38:01 <@salimma:fedora.im> gold linker is missing but other things should be there
2024-02-28 18:38:35 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think the only reason 16 is there is because there have only been 4 builds of 17 published.  as soon as another build is published 16 will drop off.
2024-02-28 18:38:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> Good to know
2024-02-28 18:39:12 <@salimma:fedora.im> Will have to check if we need 16 too at work, I think we just need 15 and 17
2024-02-28 18:39:31 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> llvm is a "rolling appstream", meaning it just has a single maintained version that can be rebased
2024-02-28 18:40:00 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> golang and rust are the same
2024-02-28 18:41:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i think parallel versions of stuff in epel is a great idea in general, so godspeed
2024-02-28 18:42:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it might lead to less breakages for stuff like clazy too
2024-02-28 18:43:36 <@salimma:fedora.im> It's already there for 14 and 13, I guess nobody asked for 15 yet
2024-02-28 18:44:26 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> ok for the epel10 schedule, it's best to describe it working backwards from the rhel10.0 launch
2024-02-28 18:45:14 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> rhel9.0 was launched on 2022-05, so people can reasonably expect rhel10.0 3 years later, give or take a month, so 2025-05 (approx)
2024-02-28 18:45:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> boy devconf.cz this year will be fun
2024-02-28 18:45:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> (and summit, but not sure I can get in)
2024-02-28 18:46:12 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> about six months before that is when i think the 10 beta will come out, and also about when i think centos will do something resembling a "release" announcement for c10s
2024-02-28 18:46:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> about six months before that is when i think the 10 beta will come out, and also about when i think centos will do something resembling a "release" announcement for c10s, so around 2024-12
2024-02-28 18:46:54 <@smooge:fedora.im> I would expect 2024-11 because 12 is a dead month
2024-02-28 18:47:04 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> true
2024-02-28 18:47:13 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> my goal is to have epel10 fully online and available for packagers about that time, similar to what we did for epel9
2024-02-28 18:47:14 <@smooge:fedora.im> but that is also a great time to drop a whopper
2024-02-28 18:47:21 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> possibly with joint c10s messaging
2024-02-28 18:47:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> we need to open up epel10 earlier, right, we just hope to be complete by EOY?
2024-02-28 18:48:20 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yes i would like things to be online sooner, but that's the "must" date imo, and also when we should announce it
2024-02-28 18:48:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's also going to be devconf.us too
2024-02-28 18:48:53 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm fine with a soft launch of things earlier than that for interested packagers to start poking (which is going to happen anyways as soon as the build targets exist)
2024-02-28 18:49:12 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah that would be really useful
2024-02-28 18:49:30 <@davide:cavalca.name> the sooner something is out, even if incomplete/wip, the sooner we can start testing and providing feedback and fixing things
2024-02-28 18:49:39 <@davide:cavalca.name> which should lead to a much better product at release
2024-02-28 18:49:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Troy and I previously discussed hoping to get KDE Plasma landed in EPEL 10 this summer
2024-02-28 18:49:58 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i don't have any dates between now and november/december as specific targets, just a whole pile of work
2024-02-28 18:50:04 <@davide:cavalca.name> https://composes.stream.centos.org/stream-10/production/latest-CentOS-Stream/ are looking pretty decent (modulo not being signed)
2024-02-28 18:50:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so hopefully we can get the infrastructure up sometime between now and F40 GA
2024-02-28 18:50:52 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i don't think that's realistic
2024-02-28 18:51:05 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> there are a lot of moving pieces
2024-02-28 18:51:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you don't think we can wire up EPEL 10 targets in 2 months?
2024-02-28 18:51:38 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> no, i don't
2024-02-28 18:51:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> hmm
2024-02-28 18:52:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> the constraint is likely Fedora infra folks like nirik needing to be available right?
2024-02-28 18:52:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, that makes sense
2024-02-28 18:52:14 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it's also not just the build targets, there is bodhi, mirrormanager, fedpkg, scm todler, mdapi, and more
2024-02-28 18:52:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> and also ... mailman rebuild needs to happen before EL7 EOL :(
2024-02-28 18:52:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> they'll be tied up with F40
2024-02-28 18:52:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> plus F40, yes
2024-02-28 18:52:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> busy spring/summer
2024-02-28 18:52:45 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> plus the Fire of the Week, of course
2024-02-28 18:53:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> related news, the SCaLE folks might be trying to rebuild their mailman deployment this year at the conference, so at least we get some dogfooding between that and CentOS infra before Fedora has to move
2024-02-28 18:53:20 <@davide:cavalca.name> can we help with some of these tasks?
2024-02-28 18:53:22 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> me and my team have started working on a few things, but as you mentioned lots of it is reliant on when releng can focus on us
2024-02-28 18:53:35 <@davide:cavalca.name> (by we I mean, people not at RH / not in releng)
2024-02-28 18:53:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, if we can help out with getting things moving, let's try
2024-02-28 18:53:58 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> sure, i don't think any of it is red hat internal
2024-02-28 18:54:02 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i'm also planning to re-do the Rocky mailman with the epel packages sometime before the EOL.. so.. yeah
2024-02-28 18:54:06 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> well, maybe the signing key, but that's done already
2024-02-28 18:54:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I can help with mirrormangler
2024-02-28 18:54:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> I can add you to our coordination chat
2024-02-28 18:54:21 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> manager*
2024-02-28 18:54:29 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> https://hackmd.io/@carlwgeorge/S1r2tzZsp is where we're tracking things we know about so far
2024-02-28 18:54:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> if something happens to the mirrors we know what it is then ;)
2024-02-28 18:54:48 <@davide:cavalca.name> excellent thanks, I was about to ask for a breakdown of the tasks
2024-02-28 18:55:02 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> if someone wants to volunteer to get the epel10 key into distribution-gpg-keys, that would be great
2024-02-28 18:55:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that I can do
2024-02-28 18:55:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> everything before 'mirror c10' seems relatively simple right
2024-02-28 18:55:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I have gotten very familiar with that package :D
2024-02-28 18:55:38 <@salimma:fedora.im> do we have that key yet?
2024-02-28 18:55:46 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> yes
2024-02-28 18:55:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh yes we do
2024-02-28 18:55:56 <@salimma:fedora.im> !action Neal to get epel10 key into distribution-gpg-keys
2024-02-28 18:56:30 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> to be clear the cpe epel team isn't licking cookies here, we'll take all the help we can get
2024-02-28 18:56:38 <@davide:cavalca.name> the epel10 one yeah, I think the c10s one is still up in the air (or at least I haven't seen one yet)
2024-02-28 18:56:54 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> (licking cookies is a new phrase i learned recently about putting your name on something then squatting on it)
2024-02-28 18:56:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2024-02-28 18:57:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I haven't heard that phrase since I was 5
2024-02-28 18:57:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> right but the c10s is not in our control (as a collective here, some individuals here of course work on it)
2024-02-28 18:57:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as soon as the c10s keys are available, I can also get them into distribution-gpg-keys
2024-02-28 18:57:40 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it might make sense to hold off on distro-gpg-keys work until you can add both c10s and epel10
2024-02-28 18:57:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> so... I understand there might be complications getting things signed, but... getting a signing key created should be simple right?
2024-02-28 18:57:47 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> one pr i mean
2024-02-28 18:57:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-02-28 18:57:54 <@salimma:fedora.im> any idea why we can't get the key now?
2024-02-28 18:58:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the infrastructure doesn't exist yet, I think?
2024-02-28 18:58:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> unless they plan to reuse the key again
2024-02-28 18:58:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we have the epel10 key, i don't know who does the c10s one
2024-02-28 18:58:17 <@davide:cavalca.name> yeah I don't even know if it's been assigned yet
2024-02-28 18:58:37 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that would be a question for the centos office hours
2024-02-28 18:58:38 <@smooge:fedora.im> keys for CentOS Stream are 'complicated'
2024-02-28 18:58:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> ~_~
2024-02-28 18:58:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 😒
2024-02-28 18:58:50 <@smooge:fedora.im> they require hardware updates
2024-02-28 18:58:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh right, I remember this mess
2024-02-28 18:59:32 <@smooge:fedora.im> let us just say getting Microsoft to sign updated shims is an easier/faster process and leave it at that
2024-02-28 18:59:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ouch.
2024-02-28 19:00:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oooof
2024-02-28 19:00:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's _bad_
2024-02-28 19:00:16 <@smooge:fedora.im> i expect that the work to get them in place has started a while ago, and when various things arrive, timed, etc they will happen
2024-02-28 19:00:20 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> is it sigul? can I blame sigul? 
2024-02-28 19:00:26 <@smooge:fedora.im> no
2024-02-28 19:00:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> damn.
2024-02-28 19:00:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> CentOS doesn't use sigul, AFAIK?
2024-02-28 19:00:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> huh
2024-02-28 19:00:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sigul is still in _a state_
2024-02-28 19:00:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> rocky uses it for 8, but we moved to Keykeeper (our own) for 9
2024-02-28 19:01:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sigul is in a much better state
2024-02-28 19:01:08 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> centos uses some HSM IIRC
2024-02-28 19:01:09 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh, you need to buy a new hardware device for the new key I guess
2024-02-28 19:01:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we're at time so i'm going to kick us out and over to the main channel for further discussion
2024-02-28 19:01:21 <@salimma:fedora.im> and generate the key on device, so no hw, no key
2024-02-28 19:01:24 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> thanks y'all for coming, and thanks for everything y'all do for epel
2024-02-28 19:01:27 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ack. thanks for running Carl George !
2024-02-28 19:01:34 <@smooge:fedora.im> thnaks
2024-02-28 19:01:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> salimma has already given cookies to carlwgeorge during the F39 timeframe
2024-02-28 19:01:37 <@jrichardson:matrix.org> thanks for running things Carl George 
2024-02-28 19:01:41 <@smooge:fedora.im> Carl George++
2024-02-28 19:01:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> smooge has already given cookies to carlwgeorge during the F39 timeframe
2024-02-28 19:01:46 <@smooge:fedora.im> boo
2024-02-28 19:01:47 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !endmeeting