#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:03:21

!startmeeting Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:03:22

Meeting started at 2024-04-15 15:03:21 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:03:22

The Meeting name is 'Fedora Flatpak Packaging SIG'

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:03:26

!meetingname flatpak-sig

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:03:31

!topic Init process

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:04:29

yselkowitz Owen Taylor let's do a quick meeting :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:04:47

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:04:48

Yaakov Selkowitz (yselkowitz)

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:04:52

hi!

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:05:35

I don't think Owen is around today, so it's probably going to be just us two

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:06:11

for anyone lurking, I've opened a new whenisgood poll to see if we can find a better meeting time, http://whenisgood.net/tq89pr2

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:06:23

what topics do we have today? F40 status?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:06:26

!topic f40 mass rebuild

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:06:46

I see you've done the vast majority of rebuilds already, awesome work

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:07:12

!info ~82% of flatpaks are rebuilt for f40 and in testing

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:07:19

!link https://pad.riseup.net/p/Tyg0nsudHLy2v__a0HzE

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:07:35

whoah, that's a lot

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:07:44

and thanks for taking care of the firefox rename

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:07:45

there were a bunch of FTBFS for various reasons, still working through them

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:08:07

do you want me to look at some of them?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:08:13

I'm not going to be around so much for the rest of the month though

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:08:40

if you could look at the ones you typically deal with, that would help

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:08:54

sure

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:09:11

a few problems we have at the moment:

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:11:02

1) the split between pandoc and pandoc-cli has broken previous assumptions about building ghc apps in flatpaks, and breaks the resulting binary as well if it builds at all. right now I have untagged the /app builds and am using the /usr buildroot build for now, but the markdown apps that actually need to include pandoc are blocked

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:12:09

2) there are a bunch of obsolete `BuildRequires: pygobject3-devel` which no longer work because that provides was removed from python3-gobject-devel. I sent a message to devel@lists.fp.o about this; they all need to be fixed and then built manually for f40f

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:12:38

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:12:55

* the split between pandoc and pandoc-cli has broken previous assumptions about building ghc apps in flatpaks, and breaks the resulting binary as well if it builds at all. right now I have untagged the /app builds and am using the /usr buildroot build for now, but the markdown apps that actually need to include pandoc are blocked

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:13:05

* there are a bunch of obsolete `BuildRequires: pygobject3-devel` which no longer work because that provides was removed from python3-gobject-devel. I sent a message to devel@lists.fp.o about this; they all need to be fixed and then built manually for f40f

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:13:18

grr, I think it may be easier to just add the removed provides for f40

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:13:25

grr, I think it may be easier to just add the removed provides back for f40

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:13:31

* some packages are just still FTBFS since the F40 mass rebuild

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:13:53

what are the ghc apps? I didn't know we had any

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:14:40

well, pandoc itself for a few markdown editors, and bustle

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:15:34

and then there are various other issues

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:15:46

oh, what else?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:16:48

haven't got around to all of them yet

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:17:01

but the three categories above cover many of the cases

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:17:57

anyway, I'll keep working on them as time permits, but no guarantees that everything will be ready for GA

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:18:37

the runtimes and core apps for silverblue and kinoite are already pushed to stable so that they could be included in last week's RC

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:18:46

I'll pitch in as well and try to fix some of them

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:18:56

excellent - thanks for getting that done in time for the release

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:19:19

otherwise whatever is now in testing, I'll push to stable around GA

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:19:59

for f41 we really need to be more on top of the schedule, so that we know when the bits are needed and have them ready in time

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:20:05

sounds good

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:20:37

I got a late start on this due to rhel 10 branching but nobody else has been around either

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:21:43

I think ideally we'd start f41 builds already now, and have some kind of automation kick off automated rpm rebuilds to match regular rpm builds

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:22:17

I don't think that's possible until f41 branches?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:23:11

I don't see why it shouldn't be possible. It's just that we haven't done it like that in the past :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:23:32

if we start when fedora branches then there is lots of time, but I was completely occupied by rhel 10 branching

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:24:11

but yes automation would really be nice

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:25:04

I've been trying to keep notes on things I had to bootstrap and the like, which should help f41 go smoother

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:25:23

anyway

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:25:34

that's where we are holding so far

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:25:55

good idea with notes

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:25:55

there were also 4 renames, with one to go

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:26:24

firefox, freeciv-gtk, gweled, xca, and then thunderbird which is FTBFS

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:27:04

I see

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:27:29

what did you want to rename thunderbird to? I think there were two options and it wasn't obvious to me which one it should be

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:28:02

I thought it was going to be org.mozilla.thunderbird but I haven't looked yet since the RPM is still FTBFS

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:30:10

any other questions about what is done so far?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:30:14

ahh, yes, looks like it was renamed to org.mozilla.thunderbird in the rpm build as well, that makes it clear

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:31:26

no nothing else from me right now. I haven't looked at flatpak builds in a while and I think I'll just have to do a few and maybe I'll get questions then :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:32:14

!topic openh264

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:32:30

any news here?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:33:00

no, I think we need Owen to figure out the next steps

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:33:34

in what state is your PR?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:34:40

it was in a working state when I filed it two months ago :)

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:35:57

could you try with f40 now that it has noopenh264 and gstreamer1-plugin-openh264?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:37:16

definitely - I'll do a local build with the extension point added and put the resulting runtime up somewhere so you can test it as well if you want

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:37:38

or show me how to build one locally

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:37:57

this is the biggest usability issue in fedora flatpaks right now

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:39:35

because of infra freeze this won't happen for f40 GA but let's aim to get this done soon thereafter

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:40:19

agreed, we really need to get this wrapped up

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:40:45

moving along

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:40:52

!topic issue trackers

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:41:17

!info speech-dispatcher-libs are included in f40 runtimes

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:41:20

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/flatpak/fedora-flatpaks/-/issues/28

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:42:01

needs further testing but I don't remember seeing any of the firefox warnings with the f40 build

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:42:52

I see you added --filesystem=xdg-run/speech-dispatcher to firefox. I guess thunderbird needs the same, right?

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:43:23

does TB support that api that it would need it?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:43:59

I don't know

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:44:29

what warnings did you see from firefox? I don't have the new version yet and I can't see any speechd related warnings

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:44:43

only certain websites trigger it

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:45:09

do you have an example? I'd love to test this a bit

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:45:13

info is in the ticket

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:45:26

ahh ok, I'll look

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:47:02

!info no "Fedora Flatpaks" product in RHBZ

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:47:07

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/flatpak/fedora-flatpaks/-/issues/29

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:47:18

not sure how we should handle this

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:48:33

a few times I've been tagged by the RPM maintainer about a problem, and I've dealt with it there

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:50:20

something to think about when we more of an audience

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:50:44

!info flatpakBuild[Arch] are not searchable in kojiweb

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:50:48

!link https://pagure.io/koji-flatpak/issue/1

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:50:54

this is for Owen

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:51:06

I am not sure either. I think it would make sense to have a separate product, but it's quite a bit of overhead at the same time. I think last time this came up Owen thought it would be best to not create a separate product - but I guess we'll need him to discuss this in details.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:51:32

I had been thinking more about a Flatpak version for components under the Fedora product

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:51:51

but let's discuss another time

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:52:11

that's all I've got for new issues

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:52:27

!topic open floor

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:52:46

thanks for bringing them up - I think it makes sense to go through new issues every time, even if we don't know how to solve them

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:52:53

agreed

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:53:22

it could always be that someone lurking has ideas, or someone who's reading the meeting minutes

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:55:45

anything else?

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:56:10

nothing from me

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

15:57:01

again, I'll be around only part-time this week, and then out for the rest of the month

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:58:04

OK, I guess we'll pick up meetings again when you are back

<@kalev:fedora.im>

15:58:23

I'll keep an eye on flatpak builds while you are gone

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:00:30

alright, let's end the meeting - thanks yselkowitz!

<@kalev:fedora.im>

16:00:32

!endmeeting