2024-04-25 15:08:23 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting`
2024-04-25 15:08:24 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-04-25 15:08:23 UTC
2024-04-25 15:08:24 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting`'
2024-04-25 15:08:35 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic roll call 
2024-04-25 15:10:11 <@mhayden:fedora.im> !hi
2024-04-25 15:10:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Major Hayden (mhayden) - he / him / his
2024-04-25 15:11:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-04-25 15:13:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> sorry I am slow. double book. 
2024-04-25 15:13:37 <@mhayden:fedora.im> I know that feeling well
2024-04-25 15:14:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-04-25 15:14:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-04-25 15:14:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (also double book)
2024-04-25 15:15:21 <@davdunc:fedora.im> * Neil Hanlon to explore testing options with Zuul.
* update the website code to include the new images and containers
* davdunc to add a ticket for the required website changes.
2024-04-25 15:15:55 <@davdunc:fedora.im> i totally forgot about the ticket until I looked at that. 
2024-04-25 15:16:34 <@mhayden:fedora.im> The zuul testing -- are we thinking about testing the Fedora images on the clouds themselves?
2024-04-25 15:16:48 <@mhayden:fedora.im> (If so that is awesome)
2024-04-25 15:17:04 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. I want us to move in that direction mhayden 
2024-04-25 15:17:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we need to have better actions there. 
2024-04-25 15:17:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> right now.  . . I think we should celebrate the work that Jeremy Cline did for the cloud-image-uploader. 
2024-04-25 15:17:50 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that's the first real step. 
2024-04-25 15:18:15 <@mhayden:fedora.im> I am inCLINEd to celebrate that. 🎉
2024-04-25 15:18:46 <@davdunc:fedora.im> 🎉
2024-04-25 15:18:57 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> :D yep that is the ultimate goal (IMO)
2024-04-25 15:19:05 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> something something gating something
2024-04-25 15:19:20 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Jeremy Cline ++
2024-04-25 15:19:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil gave a cookie to jcline. They now have 77 cookies, 1 of which were obtained in the Fedora 40 release cycle
2024-04-25 15:19:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> fresh cookies!
2024-04-25 15:20:03 <@davdunc:fedora.im> cool. I think that we are all on the same page there, though I don't think we should be remiss in building much more support for the smoke testing that Conan Kudo put in place around the kiwi descriptions too. 
2024-04-25 15:21:15 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> ideally the workflow ends up being that when a change is proposed to the descriptions, we can build images from that branch and do regression testing against it to detect breakages/changes early (again, IMO)
2024-04-25 15:22:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. 
2024-04-25 15:24:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> so let's move to a topic. 
2024-04-25 15:24:22 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic name modifications.
2024-04-25 15:24:33 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !undo
2024-04-25 15:24:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Image Name modifications 
2024-04-25 15:26:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We need to update some of the scripts around the web and such, so ...I am going to re-action myself right now to introduce those changes to the scripts that are running now. 
2024-04-25 15:26:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-04-25 15:26:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-04-25 15:26:52 <@davdunc:fedora.im> As a result of the kiwi descriptions and interactions with koji, we have some name changes. 
2024-04-25 15:26:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Hey Conan Kudo ! 
2024-04-25 15:27:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> can you help me articulate on this one? 
2024-04-25 15:27:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> mainly the subformat variant filenames (vagrant, vhd, etc.) have slightly different names in kiwi from imgfac
2024-04-25 15:28:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think adamw was going to rework some of it to be renamed at the pungi level, but that didn't happen yet, I think?
2024-04-25 15:28:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so since we released as is, the naming of some of the images differs from their predecessors
2024-04-25 15:29:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it should be a one-time pain to adapt
2024-04-25 15:29:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we did also change the way we handle images too... we now have a "Generic" flavor, but each cloud target gets its own flavor now
2024-04-25 15:30:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this means that once we onboard a public cloud system and package their tools, we can create a flavor optimized for that cloud
2024-04-25 15:32:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we also now have the capability of aliasing or stacking on flavors in the kiwi descriptions
2024-04-25 15:32:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> both the unbuilt Oracle and OpenStack flavors are aliases to the Generic flavor, for example
2024-04-25 15:33:37 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks Conan Kudo 
2024-04-25 15:34:38 <@davdunc:fedora.im> So we need to make sure that we are updating the web pages to reflect this and need a blog post to help others. 
2024-04-25 15:35:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think some of this was outlined in the cloud-sig ticket I made?
2024-04-25 15:35:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !pagureissue cloud-sig 418
2024-04-25 15:35:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **cloud-sig #418** (https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/418):**Kiwi built cloud image integration - remaining tasks**

● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa
● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago
● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-04-25 15:37:31 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahem. i said it should happen. i didn't say i was going to it
2024-04-25 15:37:35 <@adamwill:fedora.im> ahem. i said it should happen. i didn't say i was going to do it
2024-04-25 15:37:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol okay
2024-04-25 15:37:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> fun as it is fixing stuff for other people, i *am* supposed to be the qa guy, remember...
2024-04-25 15:37:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> fair fair
2024-04-25 15:38:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but since we released with all the filename changes as-is, I think it's probably _fine_ now
2024-04-25 15:38:11 <@adamwill:fedora.im> no
2024-04-25 15:38:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> the major issue that needs fixing is that the beta images need to have Beta in the name
2024-04-25 15:38:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh that, yes
2024-04-25 15:38:28 <@adamwill:fedora.im> remember, that's why we had to start the final RCs at 12 or whatever
2024-04-25 15:38:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> right
2024-04-25 15:38:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so koji and pungi needs to be taught about the new kiwi format thingy
2024-04-25 15:38:52 <@adamwill:fedora.im> yeah, in a nutshell
2024-04-25 15:39:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> could you file a ticket in cloud-sig about that specifically?
2024-04-25 15:39:16 <@adamwill:fedora.im> sure
2024-04-25 15:39:39 <@davdunc:fedora.im> perfect. okay. so we need to focus not on updating the old image names for the website, just our new ones. 
2024-04-25 15:41:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic add new regions for Amazon 
2024-04-25 15:42:06 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/422 
2024-04-25 15:42:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> imagefac thing. 
2024-04-25 15:42:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to update the config for hopefully the last time. 
2024-04-25 15:44:21 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Fedora Cloud Test Day 
2024-04-25 15:44:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/419
2024-04-25 15:44:32 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We missed on this one. 
2024-04-25 15:45:58 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we need to make sure that we get a stronger commitment and get the dates right. 
2024-04-25 15:47:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> anything else to say on that one? 
2024-04-25 15:47:38 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nothing aside from agreement
2024-04-25 15:48:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. Our process doesn't really include a release announcement list and we need to support the Fedora project that way. 
2024-04-25 15:48:37 <@davdunc:fedora.im> This should really be getting smashed with our on-cloud validations. 
2024-04-25 15:49:02 <@davdunc:fedora.im> but we need a checklist for every release. 
2024-04-25 15:49:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> just without question. 
2024-04-25 15:49:43 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that should be a part of our living cloud-sig documentation and maybe branched for each release. 
2024-04-25 15:50:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Google agent packages orphaned and retired breaking GCE image
2024-04-25 15:50:35 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/421
2024-04-25 15:50:37 <@mhayden:fedora.im> _done fixed this one right up_
2024-04-25 15:50:45 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thank you mhayden ! 
2024-04-25 15:50:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> appreciate it. 
2024-04-25 15:50:56 <@mhayden:fedora.im> had to learn some vendoring magic
2024-04-25 15:51:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> this is in the cloud-sig packages now, right, so we should attack it as a group. 
2024-04-25 15:51:17 <@davdunc:fedora.im> You shouldn't be responsible alone. 
2024-04-25 15:51:28 <@davdunc:fedora.im> but 👏
2024-04-25 15:51:59 <@mhayden:fedora.im> with the vendoring, it's not terrible
2024-04-25 15:51:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> it's not a fun package to continue to support and with the next generation, I want you to have more support on this. 
2024-04-25 15:52:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay cool. 
2024-04-25 15:52:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome. 
2024-04-25 15:52:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> so we can close the ticket? 
2024-04-25 15:52:32 <@mhayden:fedora.im> let's close it!
2024-04-25 15:53:26 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea! 
2024-04-25 15:53:38 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome. 
2024-04-25 15:53:51 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !open floor
2024-04-25 15:53:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2024-04-25 15:54:31 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info Linuxfest Northwest is this week. Stay tuned for more talk about building with kiwi descriptions. 
2024-04-25 15:54:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !cfp for Devconf.us and Flock 
2024-04-25 15:55:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info cfps for Devconf.us and Flocktofedora
2024-04-25 15:55:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Anything else you want to bring up? 
2024-04-25 15:56:25 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> one thing i don't think we mentioned is the azure image uploader is still erroring out
2024-04-25 15:56:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (i think)
2024-04-25 15:56:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: yes. 
2024-04-25 15:56:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I think I will throw a PR in to force this when we call ansible from python... as that's about the only spaghetti i can think of
2024-04-25 15:57:01 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we need to update the content. Jeremy Cline found some complications in the fedroa-messaging. 
2024-04-25 15:57:07 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks. 
2024-04-25 15:57:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i am not sure how to then make that go to openshift... but I will nag nirik : ) 
2024-04-25 15:57:41 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon: that would be great. 
2024-04-25 15:57:43 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks. 
2024-04-25 15:58:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info lots of things to smooth out here after this last deployment. Let's get it done. 
2024-04-25 15:59:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> if there's nothing else, let's get out of the way for the next meeting. 
2024-04-25 15:59:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !endmeeting