#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:36

!startmeeting EPEL (2024-05-29)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:38

Meeting started at 2024-05-29 18:00:36 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:38

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2024-05-29)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:41

!meetingname epel

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:42

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:49

!topic aloha

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:00:49

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:51

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:00:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:54

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:00:57

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:59

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:11

Hi Michel Lind 🎩 Robby Callicotte and Davide Cavalca

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:01:17

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:19

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:02:00

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:01

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:02:23

hello everyone! sorry for missing the past two meetings, travel got in the way

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:23

Hi Carl George and Jonathan Wright

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:02:24

Ah yeah! My time off for Flock was approved now I just need to book the room and flight

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:02:30

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:31

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:02:34

oh wait I was sort of here two weeks ago from the airport lounge

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:02:37

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:44

Morning nirik

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:53

Hi Neil Hanlon

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:02:57

oh i guess i should request to go to flock ... or at least get time off ;)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:03:17

oh lord

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:03:32

"good news! your flight now arrives 10 minutes after your talk ends"

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:03:42

lol

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:51

Mine all changed ... they are now a total of 5 minutes different, for all flights, than before.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:04:07

ha. yeah, might be the same here... need to look.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:04:22

road trippin'

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:04:37

I'm bracing myself for the supposedly hot summer the northeast is going to get this year

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:04:52

plus the Canadian wildfires which apparently has already started

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:14

!topic End Of Life (EOL)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

https://endoflife.date/centos-stream

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

CentOS Stream 9 / epel-9-next goes EOL in 2027-05-31

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

CentOS Stream 8 / epel-8-next goes EOL in 2024-05-31

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

https://endoflife.date/rhel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

RHEL 7 / epel-7 will go EOL on 2024-06-30

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:05:22

allo

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:05:22

mine did too. wonder if it's a scheduling thing at rochester airport

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:30

Allo Stephen J Smoogen

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:05:32

goodbye CentOS Stream 8 tomorrow

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:05:43

oops friday

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:05:51

I am all off

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:06:30

Do we have everything set for the changeover? Though, there isn't really a rush.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:06:31

i'm thinking we should go through and clean up epel8-next and make sure that any valid builds there have been rebuilt in epel8

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:06:49

builds that don't matter can just be untagged i think

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:07:30

well, typically for fedora eols we just remove the target and remove anything automation that deals with it.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:07:42

we just leave the rest there for historical fun

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:40

There are a total of 25 epel8-next packages.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:09:12

Hmm ... looks like I need to untag 7 of those anyway.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:09:59

what are we thinking for when to delete the build target? c8s eol day? a week after? a month after?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:10:15

eol day

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:34

whenever we get around to it?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:10:42

removing the target just means that no one can build against it anymore and koji doesn't have to keep it's build repo up to date

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:12:05

i can set a calendar reminder to delete the target on friday then

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:12:20

i don't think we have any automation that uses the target

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:13:42

hmm, koschei has epel9-next, but not epel8-next. guess nothing to do there?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:16

there's actually 2 targets... epel8-next and epel8-next-candidate

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:14:34

what is the different between those anyways?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:14:56

I know fedpkg targets the *-candidate tags

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:15:30

Oh, it needs retirement in bodhi and there's a number of things in infra ansible... I guess I'd say look at the fedora eol doc and follow the parts that make sense for this.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:15:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:15:57

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:15:59

would it be better to delay it till the monday after to avoid possibly breaking something on a friday?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:16:08

I'm not sure off hand why there's a second one there...

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:16:31

well, up to you if you are doing the work. ;)

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:16:41

hehe

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:16:50

read-only friday

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:16:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:16:54

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:17:07

I think it should be fine to do whenever.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:10

Just so people know. There are now only 11 packages in epel8-next, and no other packges with the epel8-next-* tags (such as epel8-next-testing)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:22

Hi Diego Herrera

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:17:52

So removing the build tag on Friday, should be great.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:18:00

yeah i'll look through https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/infra/release_guide/release_eol/ and see what makes sense for epel8-next

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:18:34

let me or jnsamyak know if we can help with anything.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:49

Anything else before we move on?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:19:17

nah i think we're set

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:28

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:32

https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:47

There are no open issues marked for meeting this week.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:51

So, moving on.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:58

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:28

Does anyone have any Old Business this week?

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:21:22

do you think an epel10 status update fits as old biz, or should we make a separate agenda item for it?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:45

I usually have it under old business ... so if you have an update for this week, go for it.

<@yselkowitz:fedora.im>

18:21:51

how exactly is anything to do with el10 *old*? :-D

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:22:06

because we now need to start working on EPEL-11

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:14

"Old" = something that was previous on the agenda.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:22:45

i've got some basic tag structure worked out in staging koji

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:22:47

https://koji.stg.fedoraproject.org/koji/search?match=glob&type=tag&terms=epel10*

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:51

I thought yselkowitz already was working on EPEL-11

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:23:18

and using that i worked out the bootstrap steps we'll need for fedpkg-minimal https://koji.stg.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2403761

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:23:26

this one... goes to 11

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:23:46

reminder that this all is getting added to the working doc as we go

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:23:49

!link https://hackmd.io/@carlwgeorge/S1r2tzZsp

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:24:37

also while working this, i realized that c10 didn't have the distcore macro implemented, which we intend to use, so i submitted it https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/rpms/centos-release/-/merge_requests/51

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:26:02

fun story - centos-stream-release hadn't had a change for months. And got three merge requests, for three totally different things, on the same day.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:27:09

centos-stream-release is managed in an incredibly weird way :/

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:27:29

adjacent to this stuff, Diego Herrera has been working on fixing some deprecations and test suite stuff in fedpkg so it's in a good state to start implementing epel10 minor version stuff

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:27:32

it usually gets a bunch of MRs that wait until someone pulls them all in and makes a release

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:27:45

which makes things a little more difficult than it should be

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:28:09

that doesn't sound that weird really, just sounds like open source

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:28:21

not saying it's a great workflow, just not really uncommon

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:40

Thank you Diego Herrera for working on fedpkg ... I was just about to ask about that.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:29:01

it's mostly weird because merge conflicts are hard to resolve

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:13

Ya. I had to talk to each submitter and get them all in a line to update their change request with the right release. But that's what we had to do before autorpm

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:39

And thank you Carl George got getting these various things in place.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:30:49

Diego Herrera ++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:30:51

neil has already given cookies to dherrera during the F40 timeframe

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

18:30:57

i think that's all for epel10 for now, we can move on

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:31:38

lol

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:31:49

Is there any other Old Business before we move on?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:32:32

I do have one. Elections. Just one more day of voting.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:33:01

I thought it's 2 days?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:33:24

the deadlines are confusing. and looks like council and mindshare will finish one day earlier

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:35

I was looking at this - https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-elections-tasks.html ... but I think you are right. They added a day due to the initial mixups.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:33:54

I do plan to do a PSA tomorrow to remind people to double check their votes

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:34:05

since I know at least one person who voted early then got their vote reset

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:34:53

I think that was the last of the Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:35:03

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:35:13

Does anyone have anything for Open Floor ?

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:35:15

So I just put a blog up on what I found about EPEL-7 numbers http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2024/05/where-did-5-million-epel-7-systems-come.html

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:35:45

basically it does a bit more research on things from the last meeting and pins it down a bit more

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:36:48

my guess is that some sort of 'default' routing change or something that was listed as an EPEL-7 mirror in Amazon went stale.. as watching various /24's slowly grow daily

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:37:22

beyond that.. nothing else for the floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:37:39

Thank you Stephen J Smoogen for looking into that.

<@smooge:fedora.im>

18:38:00

you are welcome

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:12

Does anyone else have anything for Open Floor?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:31

I'm ok with a shorter meeting. It's always nice.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:40:05

especially after last week's discussion on increasing the time (or the week before, i don't remmber)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:40:12

nothing from I.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:40:34

Thank you all for comming this week. Thank you for all the work you do for EPEL and it's community.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:40:41

sorry, what's this about?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:40:42

I'll talk to you next week, if not sooner.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:40:46

neil has already given cookies to tdawson during the F40 timeframe

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:40:46

I might have missed a message

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:40:56

thanks Troy!

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:41:07

oh, was just a brief discussion/message about increasing to 90 minutes, and then that we'd just expand to fill the time anyways

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:41:25

increasing what? the meeting length?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:41:25

It happened right after we closed the meeting last week.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:41:27

yeah... no

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:41:35

!endmeeting