<@james:fedora.im>
16:00:02
!startmeeting fpc
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:03
Meeting started at 2024-07-11 16:00:02 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
16:00:03
The Meeting name is 'fpc'
<@james:fedora.im>
16:00:06
!topic Roll Call
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:00:11
Oh, good, I didn't miss it.
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:00:29
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:30
Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers
<@james:fedora.im>
16:00:40
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:41
James Antill (james)
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:00:44
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:00:46
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:01:23
Things are a little.. unsettled here in Houston.
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:01:34
No doubt. Safe?
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:02:17
Yeah, we lost a bit of fence and are still without power. Work (University of Houston) is closed all week.
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:02:32
I have a generator, though, and I'm hooked up through that.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:02:45
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:02:47
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:02:57
Oof.
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:02:59
AT&T fiber has stayed up the whole time, so good for them.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:03:20
oof
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:04:59
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:05:01
Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
<@james:fedora.im>
16:06:49
Carl George: How is your part of TX?
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:07:39
totally fine and dry, beryl veered wide right of us
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:09:55
Texas is pretty big and storms weaken pretty quickly once they hit land.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:10:00
The joy of TX size ... you are probably like 3 EU countries away from Tibbs.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:10:16
pretty much
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:10:16
I think maybe three hours drive if I've guessed correctly.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:10:38
i'm on the west side of san antonio, so probably 4-5 depending on where you are in houston
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:10:39
Europeans get confused when we talk about distance in terms of driving time :P
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:11:09
I'm on the west side. The official track was probably 10KM from my house.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:11:22
oh maybe not, it's only 3.5 to my sister's house in the woodlands
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:11:34
i had it in my head that it was 4
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:11:58
Woodlands is north of Houston for those not up on the local geography.
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:12:22
I think it was pretty much directly in the storm's path as well, as the path curved to the northeast.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:13:09
definitely, probably a side effect of them having a proper public transportation system and not being required to drive to get places
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:13:57
well, fwiw, I never talked about distance in the form of time before I moved to Connecticut :)
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:14:03
speaking of fitting eu countries in texas, this website is fun https://www.thetruesize.com
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:14:13
when distance and time aren't tightly correlated, it's less helpful to use distance
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:14:14
Whenever I tell Europeans about driving trips we take from Illinois they act like I'm talking about space travel. What I consider a day trip is admittedly insane from European perspective.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:14:26
yeah
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:14:38
I'm closer by a bit to Chicago than to Milwaukee, but Milwaukee is faster to get to
<@nhanlon:beeper.com>
16:14:46
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:14:47
Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:14:49
wait Gwyn Ciesla (she/her) you're in Illinois?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:04
we USians like to drive a *lot*. (Maybe Canadians too)
<@james:fedora.im>
16:15:06
One of my favourite things is still americans looking at pictures of EU sports stadiums and going ?!?!? where is the parking?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:20
lol yes. or even Australian stadiums!
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:15:31
Yep. Aurora. So you might be Winnetka/Evanstonish, or more Round Lake-y?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:34
also "wait this building is older than our country!" err... yes?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:46
close guess. Vernon Hills, near Libertyville
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:15:51
well, then there's a regular party in the midwest :)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:15:55
not rich enough for Winnetka :P
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:16:03
lol me neither
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:16:03
if I still lived in the area, I'd just come up :P
<@limb:fedora.im>
16:16:47
Yet, in nearly 20 years, I've never met another Fedora contributor IRL.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:16:50
ah. I have not been that far west yet, only as far as Naperville
<@james:fedora.im>
16:16:58
!topic fpc#1373 - FHS exception for Nix
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:17:00
Carl's image failed to upload :(
<@james:fedora.im>
16:17:01
!link https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1373
<@james:fedora.im>
16:17:17
Ahh, meetbot does auto links now.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:17:43
I think we can just close this as "rejected"?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:17:46
nah, that's only because of the command
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:17:55
it didn't for that truesizeof website, so i think you still need to use `!link`
<@james:fedora.im>
16:18:36
Ahh, I see matrix is previewing both my msg and meetbots
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:20:11
not a voting member, but fwiw I do find using nix handy for extra packages - not so much on Fedora (though sometimes), definitely so on macOS
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:20:41
The nix thing is sad. It's sad that they just had to go out of their way to be nonstandard.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:20:48
and yeah the binary cache is super important. they had to go through a lot of futzing on Intel Macs to keep being able to use the old location (which Apple started locking down) to keep the binary cache usable
<@james:fedora.im>
16:20:55
Yeh, AIUI the petersen/nix copr will continue working and be compatible with upstream.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:21:17
if they can move it to a standard location and pay a one-off cache invalidation that would be really nice (or migrate with symlinks over time)
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:22:01
I naively assumed that would somehow just be a private bind mount visible to processes running within that system.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:22:08
aside from the policy stuff, are there any technical drawbacks to giving this package an exception to use `/nix`?
<@james:fedora.im>
16:22:33
Silverblue etc.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:23:08
rpm-ostree stuff is it's own can of worms, and already isn't compatible with all fedora rpms aiui
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:23:56
while i'm not going to use it myself, i sympathize with the argument of "i'm going to use this anyways, and i'd prefer to get it from the official repos instead of adding a copr"
<@jsteffan:fedora.im>
16:24:23
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
16:24:24
Jonathan Steffan (jsteffan)
<@james:fedora.im>
16:28:07
I mean they can go ask FESCo, and I'll be fine if they say it's fine ... I'm just not sure we should grant an exception for /nix and I don't think we have votes even if we should.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:28:49
Anyone feel differently?
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:29:21
Deferring to FESCo seems appropriate
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:29:28
That pretty much sums up my opinion.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:29:35
If it goes to fesco I suspect Neal and I will cancel each other out 🫠
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:29:56
It's just a matter of someone deciding that the distro as a whole wants to do this.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:31:22
we have generally indicated that breaking rpm-ostree is not permitted for fedora packages
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:31:38
that's why my Lua triggers for systemd got rewritten to shell script
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:32:08
as long as rpm-ostree cannot consume the package, it _effectively_ isn't permitted
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:33:09
our own guidelines have received changes to accommodate rpm-ostree as well
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:33:36
Ah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:33:39
I'm not saying I'm _happy_ with the situation, but it is what it is.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:34:43
Okay, I rejected it with a comment.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:34:46
As an aside, if an exception is granted for `/nix` in the future, then assuredly `/snap` will come up too
<@james:fedora.im>
16:35:08
!topic Open Floor
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:35:57
Everyone is so taken in by the macos directory structure and they all want their fancy place at the top of the directory tree.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:36:16
I closed a couple of issues before the meeting ... Nvida => rejected; versioned kubernetes => accepted (FESCo said it was fine).
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:36:18
To be fair Apple actually cracks down on that 🫠
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:36:29
yeah, they're actively attempting to break those
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:36:33
And also didn't invent it - is RISC OS or NeXT first?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:36:40
NeXT
<@james:fedora.im>
16:36:49
Also I will be out again next week.
<@salimma:fedora.im>
16:36:58
So I guess it is apple by virtue of acquihire
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:37:02
Obviously macos is just the next system evolved.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
16:37:03
Yup
<@james:fedora.im>
16:37:53
Eh /afs did it first.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:37:56
a quick open floor thing, i just want to mention that i'm running an epel 10 hackfest at flock. if we can get enough infrastructure in place by then it will be packaging focused, otherwise it will be infra focused.
<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>
16:38:02
!link https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-2024/talk/WCZPZA/
<@james:fedora.im>
16:41:43
Anything else, or we want to leave early?
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:42:14
I have some generator maintenance to do so....
<@tibbs:fedora.im>
16:42:39
Hopefully it will only be a few more days before I'm back to modern civilization.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:43:58
Here's hoping.
<@james:fedora.im>
16:44:03
!endmeeting