2024-07-24 16:29:50 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2024-07-24 16:29:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-07-24 16:29:50 UTC
2024-07-24 16:29:52 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2024-07-24 16:30:01 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2024-07-24 16:30:49 <@siosm:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-24 16:30:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his
2024-07-24 16:31:10 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-24 16:31:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2024-07-24 16:31:20 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-24 16:31:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his
2024-07-24 16:31:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-24 16:31:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2024-07-24 16:31:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-24 16:31:52 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Armijo (marmijo)
2024-07-24 16:31:53 <@siosm:matrix.org> I'm only here for 30 min so would appreciate if we could start with the Hetzner discussion
2024-07-24 16:31:54 <@gurssing:matrix.org> !hi gursewak
2024-07-24 16:31:57 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gursewak Singh (gursewak)
2024-07-24 16:32:04 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi
2024-07-24 16:32:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2024-07-24 16:32:20 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> !hi
2024-07-24 16:32:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his
2024-07-24 16:33:09 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> travier: Sure. We can start with the Hetzner discussion! 
2024-07-24 16:33:46 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
2024-07-24 16:33:46 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Here we have the ticket about it so we can discuss:
2024-07-24 16:34:07 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic Platform Request: Hetzner
2024-07-24 16:34:07 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
2024-07-24 16:34:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> hum, we still have to look at actions before
2024-07-24 16:34:34 <@siosm:matrix.org> sorry, my request was confusing
2024-07-24 16:34:59 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Ah, right. I was starting with this so you could participate. But lets see if we have any action items.
2024-07-24 16:35:04 <@siosm:matrix.org> Looks there were none from the previous meeting: discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-coreos-community-meeting-minutes-2024-07-17/126035
2024-07-24 16:35:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Yeah, we don't have any action items. 
2024-07-24 16:35:54 <@siosm:matrix.org> Let's record this info
2024-07-24 16:35:56 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Action items from last meeting
2024-07-24 16:36:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info No action items from last meeting
2024-07-24 16:36:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> now we can go back to the topic at hand :)
2024-07-24 16:36:27 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi aaradhak
2024-07-24 16:36:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
2024-07-24 16:36:30 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Nice, thanks!
2024-07-24 16:36:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im>  !topic Platform Request: Hetzner
2024-07-24 16:36:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
2024-07-24 16:37:03 <@siosm:matrix.org> hum, there is a space before the command in your message so not sure that the bot picked it
2024-07-24 16:37:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> !topic Platform Request: Hetzner
2024-07-24 16:37:21 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1324
2024-07-24 16:37:30 <@siosm:matrix.org> OK, now we're good.
2024-07-24 16:37:48 <@siosm:matrix.org> The log of last week discussion is in https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-07-17/fedora-coreos-meeting.2024-07-17-16.31.log.html#l-1
2024-07-24 16:38:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> Docs PR is over there: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-docs/pull/654
2024-07-24 16:40:00 <@siosm:matrix.org> So the questions are:
2024-07-24 16:40:00 <@siosm:matrix.org> 2. Are we OK with the documentation for this platform (as is or updated to take into account the new images)?
2024-07-24 16:40:00 <@siosm:matrix.org> 1. Are we OK producing images for Hetzner?
2024-07-24 16:41:18 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i think if we do `1.` we have to document something. 
2024-07-24 16:42:22 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe `2.` is more: "are we OK with referencing and using the `hcloud-image-upload` tool
2024-07-24 16:42:32 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe `2.` is more: "are we OK with referencing and using the `hcloud-image-upload` tool?"
2024-07-24 16:44:16 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> If we produce images for Hetzner, do we have access for basic testing?
2024-07-24 16:44:33 <@siosm:matrix.org> we have an account (that I used for testing)
2024-07-24 16:44:38 <@siosm:matrix.org> and writing the docs
2024-07-24 16:45:18 <@siosm:matrix.org> With a few monthly credits. We could even consider adding release CI for it
2024-07-24 16:45:37 <@siosm:matrix.org> (but I'm not advocating for that here)
2024-07-24 16:47:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> restating what I said last week.. i'm +1 with creating hetzner images, OR making it convenient (i.e. no copy/paste + run script) to restamp an image via something like `coreos-installer`. 
2024-07-24 16:47:30 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so `1.` 👍
2024-07-24 16:47:51 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Should we vote for that? 
2024-07-24 16:48:26 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> on `2.` - I'm fine with using `hcloud-image-upload` in our docs, but maybe it would be good to reference official hetzner docs (if they exist) for the process, OR link to an open tracking issue for the feature to exist in their official tool
2024-07-24 16:53:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> mic check - anyone seeing  this?
2024-07-24 16:53:59 <@siosm:matrix.org> yes
2024-07-24 16:54:08 <@siosm:matrix.org> I'm filling an issue
2024-07-24 16:54:31 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Yes. Anyone has any other ideas about this topic and want to share?
2024-07-24 16:54:42 <@siosm:matrix.org> So let's vote for 1?
2024-07-24 16:55:01 <@siosm:matrix.org> proposed: we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
2024-07-24 16:56:06 <@siosm:matrix.org> (it's not great in terms of storage duplication just for a few changed bytes but that would not be the first or last time)
2024-07-24 16:56:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> +1
2024-07-24 16:56:29 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> +1
2024-07-24 16:56:41 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-24 16:57:37 <@apiaseck:matrix.org> +1
2024-07-24 16:57:45 <@marmijo:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-24 16:58:17 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> +1
2024-07-24 16:58:40 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> So I think we all agree
2024-07-24 16:58:53 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !agreed: we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
2024-07-24 16:59:24 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !agreed:
2024-07-24 16:59:42 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !agreed we will start producing Hetzner images for Fedora CoreOS
2024-07-24 16:59:58 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> It worked now :)
2024-07-24 17:00:46 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Can we go to the next topic or should we discuss next steps about this one?
2024-07-24 17:01:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/hetznercloud/cli/issues/825
2024-07-24 17:01:31 <@siosm:matrix.org> I've filled an issue for the tool for the docs
2024-07-24 17:02:10 <@siosm:matrix.org> I think we can move on and we'll revisit the docs side of things once we get an answer / I've updated it with the new images?
2024-07-24 17:02:52 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> travier: I would just not block on them giving you an answer on that upstream, but just link it from the docs and ship the docs page to prod :) 
2024-07-24 17:03:01 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> YOLO
2024-07-24 17:03:16 <@siosm:matrix.org> sgtm :)
2024-07-24 17:03:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !topic tracker: Fedora 41 changes considerations
2024-07-24 17:03:32 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1714
2024-07-24 17:04:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I updated the list late last week with the outcome of last week's meeting. There were also a few more changes that came through when I ran the script.
2024-07-24 17:05:24 <@siosm:matrix.org> Let's go over the new ones quickly?
2024-07-24 17:06:06 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Change Proposal Name: acpica-tools: Remove Big Endian Support
2024-07-24 17:06:15 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Acpica-tools_Remove_Big_Endian_Support
2024-07-24 17:06:46 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info we don't ship that tool
2024-07-24 17:07:11 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info Mark Fedora KDE AArch64 as Release-Blocking
2024-07-24 17:07:22 <@siosm:matrix.org> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Fedora_KDE_AArch64_ReleaseBlocker
2024-07-24 17:07:37 <@siosm:matrix.org> !info that's for another Fedora deliverable (not us)
2024-07-24 17:08:05 <@siosm:matrix.org> marmijo: can Iet you do the next one from the self contained changes? I'll have to go
2024-07-24 17:08:09 <@siosm:matrix.org> see you all 👋
2024-07-24 17:08:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> thanks
2024-07-24 17:08:38 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LibvirtVirtualNetworkNFTables
2024-07-24 17:09:15 <@marmijo:fedora.im> This one looks like it'll probably affect FCOS
2024-07-24 17:11:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think maybe not.. we don't install libvirt by default so it shouldn't affect stock FCOS
2024-07-24 17:12:25 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> marmijo: and we ship nftables already
2024-07-24 17:12:27 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Okay, sounds good. Thanks for weighing in!
2024-07-24 17:12:47 <@marmijo:fedora.im> last one...
2024-07-24 17:12:50 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ConfidentialVirtHostAMDSEVSNP
2024-07-24 17:15:08 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> given the dependency list I see, I am tempted to say the same thing as the previous one : it should work on FCOS if you install the virt packages
2024-07-24 17:15:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I feel like this one is something that depends
2024-07-24 17:16:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> all existing uses of FCOS today should continue fine so there is nothing for us to do to keep the features we have today
2024-07-24 17:16:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but, if we want to support this new type of confidential compute (i.e. FCOS guests), we'd probably need to do some things
2024-07-24 17:16:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2024-07-24 17:18:44 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> maybe we just open a feature request in our tracker for the new feature? 
2024-07-24 17:19:06 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. point to the change request and say get  this working with FCOS as a guest
2024-07-24 17:19:16 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't wanted for RHCOS too
2024-07-24 17:19:28 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I would be surprised if this isn't wanted for RHCOS too
2024-07-24 17:19:41 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Okay, I'll open that issue.
2024-07-24 17:20:18 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> dustymabe: I am not sure what makes you say that this needs change on the guest ?
2024-07-24 17:20:29 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> In that proposal i only see changes for the host
2024-07-24 17:21:08 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> dustymabe: I am not sure what makes you say that this needs changes on the guest side of things ?
2024-07-24 17:21:09 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jbtrystram: I assue the "guest attestation" will require tools inside the guest to perform that attestation
2024-07-24 17:21:20 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> jbtrystram: I assume the "guest attestation" will require tools inside the guest to perform that attestation
2024-07-24 17:22:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> but I could be wrong!
2024-07-24 17:22:54 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> either way - if it does just work out of  the box maybe we should add a test for it?
2024-07-24 17:23:07 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> so either way I see there being work for us to do
2024-07-24 17:23:45 <@jbtrystram:matrix.org> that guest attestation thing isn't really precise right now, but I guess we can monitor that yes
2024-07-24 17:25:12 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Those are all of the new changes 👍️
2024-07-24 17:28:24 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> So, we are almost done with time. Can we finish this topic?
2024-07-24 17:28:39 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> So we can go to open floor :)
2024-07-24 17:28:47 <@marmijo:fedora.im> yup, you're good to move on!
2024-07-24 17:28:54 <@ydesouza:fedora.im>  !topic Open Floor
2024-07-24 17:29:18 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> If someone has anything to share in those last minutes be free to do it
2024-07-24 17:30:24 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Well, lets ending the meeting!
2024-07-24 17:30:27 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> Thank you all!
2024-07-24 17:30:37 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !endmeeting