#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:00:50

!startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:51

Meeting started at 2024-08-01 15:00:50 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:00:51

The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting'

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:01:04

!topic roll call

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:01:13

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:16

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:01:16

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:17

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:01:27

awesome to see you here anyway.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:02:11

i rarely expect these irc meetings to be a single meeting time for any of us.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:02:16

haha.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:02:30

yea. I think it's others who ignore it for me.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:02:41

that's how the other meeting i'm in is going right now so.. :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:02:53

!topic action items from last meeting

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:03:34

I am basically going to be reactioning some of these.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:03:37

!ACTION: davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:03:54

!action davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:04:00

there we go.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:04:50

nirik was looking for assistance on the IAM permissions ... I am volunteering to help on that one too.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:05:14

!action davdunc to review with Oracle contacts what we can do for Fedora Cloud

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:05:34

I just met with him yesterday. I'll send an email for this one.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:05:40

do we know if anyone from Oracle will be coming to Flock?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:05:52

I do not.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:06:05

but I'll send an invitation at the same time.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:06:12

sounds good

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:06:19

I imagine there are some folks nearby who could swing by

<@davide:cavalca.name>

15:06:20

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:06:22

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:06:52

yea I am guessing that would be a big help.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:06:59

ooh Neil is typing!

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:07:01

I'm on a call with some Oracle folks right now; Linux side, but.. yeah. I can ask :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:07:11

that would be great Neil!

<@davide:cavalca.name>

15:07:15

I know there will be Oracle folks at Plumbers later in the year fwiw

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:07:59

tell them we want their help.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:09:16

well we should take advantage of what we have so far. dustymabe are we publishing FCOS images in OCI?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:09:48

i know they are doing work on osbuild for oracle, and kiwi is on their list as well

<@jaboutboul:matrix.org>

15:10:27

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:10:29

No Fedora Accounts users have the @jaboutboul:matrix.org Matrix Account defined

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:10:44

yeah I had a conversation with some oracle folks about kiwi a few months ago

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:10:47

hey themayor ! Great to see you!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:11:12

themayor: you'll want to add your matrix account to your FAS for zodbot to pick up

<@jaboutboul:matrix.org>

15:11:19

Yup

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:11:46

well, we can use our Ansible methods instead of the osbuild so that we have more flexibility for users.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:04

awesome.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:33

!topic 400 Publish cloud images for OCI (Oracle Cloud)?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:47

!link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/400

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:13:12

the rising interest in getting more ARM resources is spiking interest in OCI

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:19

Let's keep that on the agenda and hopefully we can get this resolved after Flock.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:37

well, I am happy to oblige.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:14:26

are the OCI tools packaged in Fedora yet?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:14:41

I don't believe that they are.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:15:13

We don't have a ticket for that either.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:16:48

I'll add a ticket for the OCI tools.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:16:59

sounds good

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:17:46

!action davdunc to create a ticket for packaging Oracle Cloud tools for working with OCI

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:17:54

@link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/430

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:18:09

pow!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:18:22

!link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/430

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:18:27

awesome

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:01

thanks! I "at'ed" where I should have "banged".

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:34

!topic Wrong permissions on / for Fedora-Cloud-Base-Vagrant-libvirt f40 image

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:44

!link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/429

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:20:01

looks like we have an issue with the build on the Vagrant image.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:20:54

So we need to update the kiwi config to get the permissions right for use.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:21:13

that stuff is controlled here: https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/blob/rawhide/f/config.sh#_163-190

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:22:06

actually, this is about the permissions of `/`?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:22:08

okay. So we need to make a change in the Vagrant config.sh

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:22:12

yea.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:22:13

that is a base kiwi bug

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:22:47

okay. Is it? Or is it a vagrant-specific modification?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:22:57

we might be able to hack around it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:23:06

but I am not sure

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

15:23:55

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:23:56

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:24:01

we may need to talk to schaefi about it

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:24:47

okay.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:25:49

greg marsden said he doesn't think anyone from Oracle is gonna be at flock; i relayed that the cloud sig is working on packaging the OCI tools and building fedora OCI images.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:26:07

Thanks Neil Hanlon

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:26:57

!info nobody from Oracle is expected to be at Flock this year, but we need to ensure that we are engaging with them for future events and invitations.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:27:54

alright.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:28:27

!action Conan Kudo and davdunc to work on permissions for the Vagrant images with kiwi team.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:29:44

okay.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:29:48

!topic Provide unversioned cloud images

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:30:03

!link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/396

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:30:20

we haven't really finished this discussion in the ticket.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:30:20

that's a pungi thing, I think?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:31:12

Should we look into it?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:31:18

probably

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:31:41

this will require working with adamw and nirik too, as they have the knowledge of this stuff

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:32:16

okay. well we should have a spec for it, I suppose.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:23

that also neatly dovetails into another aspect we need to take care of too...

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:32:30

oh?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:44

!topic #424 Use kiwi's "bundle format" for image naming (ensure Beta images have "Beta" in their names)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:32:56

.pagureissue cloud-sig 424

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:33:10

!pagureissue cloud-sig 424

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:11

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:11

**cloud-sig #424** (https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/424):**Use kiwi's "bundle format" for image naming (ensure Beta images have "Beta" in their names)**

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:11

● **Opened:** 4 months ago by adamwill

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:11

● **Last Updated:** Never

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:11

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:33:27

blech, okay

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:33:31

!link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/424

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:33:33

got it.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:33:43

what's up?

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:33:48

oh, that.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:34:06

we need to prioritize it for this cycle

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:34:54

that sounds right.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:07

Do we need a proposal for that?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:35:11

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:19

okay.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:35:20

this is just something we couldn't finish on time last cycle

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:28

got it.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:51

maybe we can find some time for that during Flock?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:36:09

yeah, the koji part should be easy, it's the pungi part that scares me

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:36:42

I also discovered yesterday (thanks to nirik) that koji hardcodes all the volume ID formulas for live ISOs

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:37:03

well now!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:37:08

so... now I need to do that _slightly_ differently for the kiwi plugin because no way am I doing it that way

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:38:15

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I don't know!

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:25

i thought we set the volume IDs in pungi? it has a formula for it...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:38:36

it's copied manually from pungi to kojid

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:50

how do you mean "copied manually"?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:38:50

https://pagure.io/koji/blob/master/f/builder/kojid#_3418-3458

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:39:20

as in, the formula is literally embedded in the python code

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:39:41

there is no way to pass the volume id from pungi to koji

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:39:55

so it's just copied into the koji source code and occasionally updated

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:39:55

oh, right, i wrote those comments.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:40:08

2018 was a long time ago

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:40:23

yep

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:40:54

well, that's only live images, for other things it is passed in by pungi, so no need to copy that for kiwi...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:06

yeah

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:41:19

if it were me i'd just make sure it's possible for pungi to tell kiwi what label to use, and let pungi do the work, since we already have that

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:21

but we're going to start having kiwi built live images so I need to do _something_

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:44

yeah I'd prefer to just have pungi tell me

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:41:46

if it were me i'd just make sure it's possible for pungi to tell kiwi what volid to use, and let pungi do the work, since we already have that

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:47

yeah I'd prefer to just have pungi tell koji

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:42:45

okay. Anything else we need to say about that?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:43:12

nope, we just need to get the bundle format stuff done this cycle

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:43:25

okay.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:43:31

That's all I have on the agenda.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:44:09

as for the latest symlink thing, i don't know how we'd do that off the top of my head but it doesn't seem impossible

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:44:11

!info thanks to Jeremy Cline for doing all the heavy lifting on the cloud-image-uploader for AWS

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:44:20

probably have it done in the compose scripts

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:44:34

sounds good.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:44:59

you too adamw I know you helped a lot with Jeremy's work there.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:45:56

!topic open floor

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:46:36

!info we'll meet at Flock for more conversation next week.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:46:54

can't wait to see y'all!

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:47:09

anything else ?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:47:36

I don't have anything. :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:48:11

alright then.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:48:14

!endmeeting