2024-08-01 15:00:50 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting
2024-08-01 15:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-08-01 15:00:50 UTC
2024-08-01 15:00:51 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting'
2024-08-01 15:01:04 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2024-08-01 15:01:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-01 15:01:16 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2024-08-01 15:01:16 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2024-08-01 15:01:17 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2024-08-01 15:01:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome to see you here anyway. 
2024-08-01 15:02:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> i rarely expect these irc meetings to be a single meeting time for any of us. 
2024-08-01 15:02:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> haha. 
2024-08-01 15:02:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. I think it's others who ignore it for me. 
2024-08-01 15:02:41 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> that's how the other meeting i'm in is going right now so.. :) 
2024-08-01 15:02:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic action items from last meeting
2024-08-01 15:03:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I am basically going to be reactioning some of these. 
2024-08-01 15:03:37 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !ACTION: davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image
2024-08-01 15:03:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image
2024-08-01 15:04:00 <@davdunc:fedora.im> there we go. 
2024-08-01 15:04:50 <@davdunc:fedora.im> nirik was looking for assistance on the IAM permissions ... I am volunteering to help on that one too. 
2024-08-01 15:05:14 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to review with Oracle contacts what we can do for Fedora Cloud
2024-08-01 15:05:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I just met with him yesterday. I'll send an email for this one. 
2024-08-01 15:05:40 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do we know if anyone from Oracle will be coming to Flock?
2024-08-01 15:05:52 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I do not. 
2024-08-01 15:06:05 <@davdunc:fedora.im> but I'll send an invitation at the same time. 
2024-08-01 15:06:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sounds good
2024-08-01 15:06:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I imagine there are some folks nearby who could swing by
2024-08-01 15:06:20 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2024-08-01 15:06:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2024-08-01 15:06:52 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea I am guessing that would be a big help. 
2024-08-01 15:06:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> ooh Neil is typing! 
2024-08-01 15:07:01 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I'm on a call with some Oracle folks right now; Linux side, but.. yeah. I can ask :) 
2024-08-01 15:07:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that would be great Neil! 
2024-08-01 15:07:15 <@davide:cavalca.name> I know there will be Oracle folks at Plumbers later in the year fwiw
2024-08-01 15:07:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> tell them we want their help. 
2024-08-01 15:09:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well we should take advantage of what we have so far. dustymabe are we publishing FCOS images in OCI? 
2024-08-01 15:09:48 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i know they are doing work on osbuild for oracle, and kiwi is on their list as well
2024-08-01 15:10:27 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-01 15:10:29 <@zodbot:fedora.im> No Fedora Accounts users have the @jaboutboul:matrix.org Matrix Account defined
2024-08-01 15:10:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I had a conversation with some oracle folks about kiwi a few months ago
2024-08-01 15:10:47 <@davdunc:fedora.im> hey themayor ! Great to see you! 
2024-08-01 15:11:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> themayor: you'll want to add your matrix account to your FAS for zodbot to pick up
2024-08-01 15:11:19 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> Yup
2024-08-01 15:11:46 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well, we can use our Ansible methods instead of the osbuild so that we have more flexibility for users. 
2024-08-01 15:12:04 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome. 
2024-08-01 15:12:33 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic 400 Publish cloud images for OCI (Oracle Cloud)?
2024-08-01 15:12:47 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/400
2024-08-01 15:13:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the rising interest in getting more ARM resources is spiking interest in OCI
2024-08-01 15:13:19 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Let's keep that on  the agenda and hopefully we can get this resolved after Flock. 
2024-08-01 15:13:37 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well, I am happy to oblige. 
2024-08-01 15:14:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> are the OCI tools packaged in Fedora yet?
2024-08-01 15:14:41 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I don't believe that they are. 
2024-08-01 15:15:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> We don't have a ticket for that either. 
2024-08-01 15:16:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll add a ticket for the OCI tools. 
2024-08-01 15:16:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sounds good
2024-08-01 15:17:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !action davdunc to create a ticket for packaging Oracle Cloud tools for working with OCI
2024-08-01 15:17:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> @link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/430
2024-08-01 15:18:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> pow! 
2024-08-01 15:18:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/430
2024-08-01 15:18:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> awesome
2024-08-01 15:19:01 <@davdunc:fedora.im> thanks! I "at'ed" where I should have "banged". 
2024-08-01 15:19:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Wrong permissions on / for Fedora-Cloud-Base-Vagrant-libvirt f40 image
2024-08-01 15:19:44 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/429
2024-08-01 15:20:01 <@davdunc:fedora.im> looks like we have an issue with the build on the Vagrant image.
2024-08-01 15:20:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> So we need to update the kiwi config to get the permissions right for use. 
2024-08-01 15:21:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that stuff is controlled here: https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/blob/rawhide/f/config.sh#_163-190
2024-08-01 15:22:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> actually, this is about the permissions of `/`?
2024-08-01 15:22:08 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. So we need to make a change in the Vagrant config.sh 
2024-08-01 15:22:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. 
2024-08-01 15:22:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that is a base kiwi bug
2024-08-01 15:22:47 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. Is it? Or is it a vagrant-specific modification? 
2024-08-01 15:22:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we might be able to hack around it
2024-08-01 15:23:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I am not sure
2024-08-01 15:23:55 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-01 15:23:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2024-08-01 15:24:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we may need to talk to schaefi about it
2024-08-01 15:24:47 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-08-01 15:25:49 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> greg marsden said he doesn't think anyone from Oracle is gonna be at flock; i relayed that the cloud sig is working on packaging the OCI tools and building fedora OCI images.
2024-08-01 15:26:07 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Thanks Neil Hanlon 
2024-08-01 15:26:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info nobody from Oracle is expected to be at Flock this year, but we need to ensure that we are engaging with them for future events and invitations. 
2024-08-01 15:27:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> alright.
2024-08-01 15:28:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action Conan Kudo and davdunc to work on permissions for the Vagrant images with kiwi team. 
2024-08-01 15:29:44 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-08-01 15:29:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Provide unversioned cloud images 
2024-08-01 15:30:03 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/396
2024-08-01 15:30:20 <@davdunc:fedora.im> we haven't really finished this discussion in the ticket. 
2024-08-01 15:30:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's a pungi thing, I think?
2024-08-01 15:31:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Should we look into it? 
2024-08-01 15:31:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably
2024-08-01 15:31:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this will require working with adamw and nirik too, as they have the knowledge of this stuff
2024-08-01 15:32:16 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. well we should have a spec for it, I suppose. 
2024-08-01 15:32:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that also neatly dovetails into another aspect we need to take care of too...
2024-08-01 15:32:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> oh? 
2024-08-01 15:32:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !topic  #424 Use kiwi's "bundle format" for image naming (ensure Beta images have "Beta" in their names) 
2024-08-01 15:32:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> .pagureissue cloud-sig 424
2024-08-01 15:33:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !pagureissue cloud-sig 424
2024-08-01 15:33:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2024-08-01 15:33:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **cloud-sig #424** (https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/424):**Use kiwi's "bundle format" for image naming (ensure Beta images have "Beta" in their names)**
2024-08-01 15:33:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 4 months ago by adamwill
2024-08-01 15:33:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** Never
2024-08-01 15:33:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2024-08-01 15:33:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> blech, okay
2024-08-01 15:33:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/cloud-sig/issue/424
2024-08-01 15:33:33 <@davdunc:fedora.im> got it. 
2024-08-01 15:33:43 <@adamwill:fedora.im> what's up?
2024-08-01 15:33:48 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, that.
2024-08-01 15:34:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we need to prioritize it for this cycle
2024-08-01 15:34:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that sounds right. 
2024-08-01 15:35:07 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Do we need a proposal for that? 
2024-08-01 15:35:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no
2024-08-01 15:35:19 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-08-01 15:35:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this is just something we couldn't finish on time last cycle
2024-08-01 15:35:28 <@davdunc:fedora.im> got it. 
2024-08-01 15:35:51 <@davdunc:fedora.im> maybe we can find some time for that during Flock? 
2024-08-01 15:36:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, the koji part should be easy, it's the pungi part that scares me
2024-08-01 15:36:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I also discovered yesterday (thanks to nirik) that koji hardcodes all the volume ID formulas for live ISOs
2024-08-01 15:37:03 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well now! 
2024-08-01 15:37:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so... now I need to do that _slightly_ differently for the kiwi plugin because no way am I doing it that way
2024-08-01 15:38:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I don't know!
2024-08-01 15:38:25 <@adamwill:fedora.im> i thought we set the volume IDs in pungi? it has a formula for it...
2024-08-01 15:38:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's copied manually from pungi to kojid
2024-08-01 15:38:50 <@adamwill:fedora.im> how do you mean "copied manually"?
2024-08-01 15:38:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://pagure.io/koji/blob/master/f/builder/kojid#_3418-3458
2024-08-01 15:39:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as in, the formula is literally embedded in the python code
2024-08-01 15:39:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there is no way to pass the volume id from pungi to koji
2024-08-01 15:39:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so it's just copied into the koji source code and occasionally updated
2024-08-01 15:39:55 <@adamwill:fedora.im> oh, right, i wrote those comments.
2024-08-01 15:40:08 <@adamwill:fedora.im> 2018 was a long time ago
2024-08-01 15:40:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yep
2024-08-01 15:40:54 <@adamwill:fedora.im> well, that's only live images, for other things it is passed in by pungi, so no need to copy that for kiwi...
2024-08-01 15:41:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2024-08-01 15:41:19 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if it were me i'd just make sure it's possible for pungi to tell kiwi what label to use, and let pungi do the work, since we already have that
2024-08-01 15:41:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but we're going to start having kiwi built live images so I need to do _something_
2024-08-01 15:41:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I'd prefer to just have pungi tell me
2024-08-01 15:41:46 <@adamwill:fedora.im> if it were me i'd just make sure it's possible for pungi to tell kiwi what volid to use, and let pungi do the work, since we already have that
2024-08-01 15:41:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I'd prefer to just have pungi tell koji
2024-08-01 15:42:45 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. Anything else we need to say about that? 
2024-08-01 15:43:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nope, we just need to get the bundle format stuff done this cycle
2024-08-01 15:43:25 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2024-08-01 15:43:31 <@davdunc:fedora.im> That's all I have on the agenda. 
2024-08-01 15:44:09 <@adamwill:fedora.im> as for the latest symlink thing, i don't know how we'd do that off the top of my head but it doesn't seem impossible
2024-08-01 15:44:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info thanks to Jeremy Cline for doing all the heavy lifting on the cloud-image-uploader for AWS 
2024-08-01 15:44:20 <@adamwill:fedora.im> probably have it done in the compose scripts
2024-08-01 15:44:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> sounds good.
2024-08-01 15:44:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> you too adamw I know you helped a lot with Jeremy's work there. 
2024-08-01 15:45:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2024-08-01 15:46:36 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info we'll meet at Flock for more conversation next week. 
2024-08-01 15:46:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> can't wait to see y'all! 
2024-08-01 15:47:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> anything else ? 
2024-08-01 15:47:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't have anything. :)
2024-08-01 15:48:11 <@davdunc:fedora.im> alright then. 
2024-08-01 15:48:14 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !endmeeting