2024-08-15 16:00:18 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2024-08-15 16:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2024-08-15 16:00:18 UTC
2024-08-15 16:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2024-08-15 16:00:23 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2024-08-15 16:00:58 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-15 16:00:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2024-08-15 16:01:23 <@limb:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-15 16:01:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers
2024-08-15 16:03:04 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2024-08-15 16:03:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2024-08-15 16:06:38 <@james:fedora.im> I wonder if some people are at devconf
2024-08-15 16:06:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-15 16:06:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2024-08-15 16:06:57 <@limb:fedora.im> That's usually how conferences work.
2024-08-15 16:11:35 <@jsteffan:fedora.im> !hi
2024-08-15 16:11:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Steffan (jsteffan)
2024-08-15 16:13:20 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1383 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1383
2024-08-15 16:13:44 <@james:fedora.im> Just going to click merge on this and move forward.
2024-08-15 16:15:11 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1379 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1379
2024-08-15 16:15:25 <@james:fedora.im> I think this one is ready to merge now ... anyone have an objection?
2024-08-15 16:15:51 <@limb:fedora.im> Go for it.
2024-08-15 16:15:55 <@james:fedora.im> Although now I'm not sure the change has happened
2024-08-15 16:16:22 <@james:fedora.im> Eh, probably still better to merge and then tweak again later.
2024-08-15 16:17:30 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FC PR#1380 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1380
2024-08-15 16:18:45 <@james:fedora.im> I think I'm -1 here ... starting with the scm means it's random vercmp wise. Which I think is why we only started with date/number.
2024-08-15 16:19:01 <@limb:fedora.im> Was literally just thinking that while reading.
2024-08-15 16:20:06 <@james:fedora.im> Wait ... is scm just literally "git" ... not the scm hash.
2024-08-15 16:20:24 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, it is ... my bad.
2024-08-15 16:21:00 <@limb:fedora.im> Which mean you can rpm -qa | grep cvs and have a good cry.
2024-08-15 16:21:12 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'm also -1, for the reasons i put in the comments
2024-08-15 16:21:22 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> we should have fewer patterns for this, not more
2024-08-15 16:22:02 <@limb:fedora.im> Agree, the snapshot life is hard enough.
2024-08-15 16:23:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> what do y'all think about removing `<date><scm><revision>` and `<number>.<scm><revision>` as options?
2024-08-15 16:24:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that would make `<date>.<revision>` or `<number>.<revision>` the only valid choices
2024-08-15 16:24:38 <@limb:fedora.im> That sounds good to me.
2024-08-15 16:25:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> neal disagrees, with reasoning in the comments, so take the time to read through those fully if you haven't yet to give him a fair shake
2024-08-15 16:25:45 <@james:fedora.im> I commented.
2024-08-15 16:25:56 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i can do an alternate pr to remove the `<scm>` ones
2024-08-15 16:26:23 <@james:fedora.im> Basically not sure it's worth trying to police it heavily, but it might be nice if we suggested 1-2 forms we prefer ... kind of a middle ground? What do you think carl?
2024-08-15 16:27:01 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> if i'm reading your comment right, that would be a SHOULD for two formats, meaning we would ask people to justify using something else, and that justification would be "because i want to"
2024-08-15 16:27:42 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> it's not serious enough to try to police heavily of course, and we already have tons of packages that do it incorrectly for what we have written now
2024-08-15 16:27:52 <@limb:fedora.im> I'm not sure giving git special status is needed or desirable; it's the current lingua franca but may not always be.
2024-08-15 16:28:07 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, basically you SHOULD use 1-2 but otherwise MUST NOT use anything but these other 4.
2024-08-15 16:28:10 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> any kind of cleanup action would be easier with just two formats, basically with date or without
2024-08-15 16:29:08 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> is there any kind of justification beyond just "i prefer a different format visually"?  lacking that i would lean towards MUST, not SHOULD, on the two preferred formats
2024-08-15 16:29:39 <@limb:fedora.im> I'm not sure the kind of scm is needed in the release tag. If we have the date and revision, those who need to know will find out when they try to upstream a patch for example.
2024-08-15 16:29:55 <@james:fedora.im> I think the main thing is upstream preferring some format, esp. if they use that other places (like other distros).
2024-08-15 16:29:56 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i've done a few of these and i vastly prefer `<number>.<revision>`, it's simple, you can do multiple snapshots in one day if needed, and you're in full control with a simple integer for sorting
2024-08-15 16:30:16 <@james:fedora.im> I don't mind trying to force everyone to do it our way, I'm just not sure it buys us much.
2024-08-15 16:30:32 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> small nit, it's in the version tag now, and i think doing it in version is a SHOULD
2024-08-15 16:30:38 <@limb:fedora.im> After a read I'm still #teamcarl
2024-08-15 16:30:49 <@limb:fedora.im> Fair.
2024-08-15 16:31:00 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Versioning/#traditional-versioning
2024-08-15 16:31:17 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> so not a should, just the new standard is listed first, and the legacy is a MAY
2024-08-15 16:32:38 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'll work up a pr for removing the `<scm>` choices, and we can debate in those comments about MUST vs SHOULD
2024-08-15 16:32:49 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> i'll work up a pr for removing the `<scm>` choices, and we can debate in those comments about MUST vs SHOULD for the other two
2024-08-15 16:34:16 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, thanks. Please comment a link to your new PR in 1380.
2024-08-15 16:34:21 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2024-08-15 16:34:44 <@james:fedora.im> That's pretty much it, unless anyone has anything else to talk about?
2024-08-15 16:34:55 <@limb:fedora.im> Not I.
2024-08-15 16:35:39 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> 🫡
2024-08-15 16:36:16 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> that was supposed to be like a salute bye, not raising my hand to bring something up
2024-08-15 16:36:41 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> doesn't really work like i thought it would, at least in element's rendering of the emoji
2024-08-15 16:38:15 <@limb:fedora.im> Looks fine in mobile schildichat.
2024-08-15 16:38:50 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, enjoy your free 20 minutes :)
2024-08-15 16:38:54 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting