#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:04:12

!startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:04:13

Meeting started at 2024-08-29 15:04:12 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:04:13

The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting'

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:05:59

!topic roll call

<@mmicene:fedora.im>

15:06:58

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:06:59

Matt Micene (mmicene)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:07:34

Matt Micene: do you want me to add you to the announcement?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:07:44

!hi

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

15:07:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:07:46

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:07:46

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:07:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:07:54

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@mmicene:fedora.im>

15:08:11

i've been so off sync with this meeting i don't know what that is :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:09:06

haha.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:09:28

we have a list of people to notify when the meeting is aobout to start.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:09:50

Neil Hanlon: 👋 sorry I didn't have you on that list, but you obviously go there.

<@mmicene:fedora.im>

15:10:17

moar reminders is gooder!

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:10:19

c'est bonne :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:10:32

Je m'excuse.

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:10:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:10:45

Jeremy Cline (jcline) - he / him / his

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:10:51

Matt Micene: I'll add you to the list.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:11:05

Awesome sauce.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:11:17

!topic Action items from last meeting

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:06

ACTION: davdunc to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:18

I missed this on my priority list from that last meeting.

<@mhayden:fedora.im>

15:12:39

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:12:40

Major Hayden (mhayden) - he / him / his

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:12:48

!action davdunc reaction to write a change proposal for the XCP-NG Fedora Image

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:07

davdunc to review with Oracle contacts what we can do for Fedora Cloud

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:13

okay that happened!

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:24

but they didn't return with any information.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:13:37

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:13:49

Conan Kudo and davdunc to work on permissions for the Vagrant images with kiwi team

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:14:13

I'll reaction that one. Conan Kudo has a great excuse, he was working on F41 release bugs and blockers.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:14:26

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:14:32

I am just trying to keep my head above water. :)

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:14:47

re action.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:15:06

!action Conan Kudo and davdunc to work on permissions for the Vagrant images with kiwi team.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:16:46

okay.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:17:20

That's all the actions I have from the previous minutes.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:18:33

Flock happened in between. I had some cloud discussions planned, but medical emergency . . . still we had some great sessions with nirik Jeremy Cline adamw and Conan Kudo

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:05

Thanks to everyone who helped out on permissions issues and koji/pungi issues.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:26

Thanks for trying to smash a lot of this over the weekend adamw and Conan Kudo

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:19:43

this past weekend, I mean.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:20:13

Conan Kudo: Can you give us a short update on where we are with 41 release based on your efforts there?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:20:31

well, at this point I think we're waiting on a new pungi release or patch backport or whatever

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:20:40

and then we need to update fedora's pungi definitions accordingly

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:21:50

i can do a pungi backport i guess

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:22:25

So we are pushing the removal of imagefac until F42 because of the lateness of the change though right?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:22:36

also, adamw if you can that would be awesome.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:24:04

Even if it gets done, we don't expect to have the kinks (bugs) worked out for F41, do we?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:24:12

Thanks Conan Kudo

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:24:30

bugs? there are no bugs

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:24:43

haha. None that you can't find!

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:25:10

!topic F41 Release readiness

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:26:19

Jeremy Cline you are ready to use your uploader for the Azure images, regardless of the issues there, right?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:26:36

there being around the use of imagefac for the builds.

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:27:43

I haven't followed things very closely, the Azure images are still being built with Kiwi, right?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

15:27:59

Just fyi, lsedlar already did a backport and builds it looks like.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:28:17

oh sweet! nirik thanks.

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:28:57

F41 pre-release images have been uploaded to Azure and AWS nightly, I haven't actually checked if the images boot recently

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:29:24

we can add that to the list of things we need to automate.

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:30:47

I know there was some work happening for OpenQA in AWS and maybe we could piggyback on that for testing the images

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:30:47

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:30:47

Yeah. I meant to corner Adam Williamson about testing things at Flock, but...

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:31:24

I'll add that to our tickets for things that needs to be done or we need to provide some direct support for.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:31:45

i'm...not sure openqa in aws is what you want to test this

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:32:20

right! At least not until we have a way to spawn an instance independently.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:32:21

what you want is a test framework that boots images on clouds. i can make openqa do that, but it's a fairly dumb way to do it, because it'd have to run a vm then use some aws cli in the vm.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:32:41

yea. we can help you with that adamw

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:33:18

I could easily spawn instances after an image is uploaded, it's more about doing things to them afterwards I'm not as certain about

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:33:51

!action davdunc and Jeremy Cline to work with the Q_ team to build that test automation.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:34:22

!action davdunc and Jeremy Cline to work with the Q\_ team to build test automation for AWS and Azure.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:34:32

fixed it.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:34:51

okay.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:35:08

we could do stuff with openqa using a custom backend that spins up cloud instances, but...that's work.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:20

haha. exactly.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:35:24

(it does have some sort of implementation of 'use ssh as a backend' that we could investigate, i guess)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:35:31

I think Meta had been sponsoring some work for this?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:36

better to just make it an editable script and pull an artifact.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:35:40

that's not what the meta thing is about

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:35:50

that's about *running openqa in the cloud*, not using it to *test* the cloud

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

15:35:55

I misunderstood that, then...

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:35:55

Neil Hanlon: they have, but it's not here yet.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:36:06

unless they're doing something else i don't know about. :P

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:36:20

I think it covers both nicely, since they are using instances.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:36:34

(it should be at openqa.fedorainfracloud.org but there's some sort of https issue going on that i didn't have time to look at)

<@jcline:fedora.im>

15:36:37

This probably isn't the time to get into the technical bits, but yeah, my early thoughts were something along the lines of me being able to say "here's an instance ready to go, test things on it" and then something else would do the things that need doing.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:36:38

spawned instances fail.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:36:47

that's a pretty good test.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:37:00

davdunc: are we talking about different things?

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:37:21

I dont' think so, but ... It would not be the first time I crossed wires.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:37:43

I thought that the meta work would allow validations on instances spawned for work, not just run on bare metal.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:00

it doesn't yet

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:38:17

but I'll stop chatting on it and get clarifications later.

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:20

and even if it did, we would not want those instances to be 'random fedora cloud images that are themselves under test', we would want the instances to be...something that reliably worked

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:39

(i mean, i figure that's what we'd want anyway...)

<@adamwill:fedora.im>

15:38:50

anyway, yeah, we can talk about it later, sorry

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:38:50

I am on the same page with you.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:39:54

okay.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:40:33

!topic open floor

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:41:11

!info Conan Kudo added container tools to the cloud base for me.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:26

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:41:28

Thank you Conan Kudo for fixing my bad PR.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:41

it wasn't bad, it was just not an ideal approach

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

15:41:53

since the goal was to make all types of cloud deployments to include it by default

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:42:16

yea. I saw the obvious merit in using the comps instead of just adding it to one profile in kiwi.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:42:25

Thanks for doing it.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:43:42

If the push to pungi is completed, then are we getting the release numbers we expect? 41_Beta

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:43:52

and the like.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:45:08

okay. I'll wrap up the meeting if nobody has anything else to add.

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:45:17

Thanks for being here!

<@davdunc:fedora.im>

15:45:36

!endmeeting