#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@james:fedora.im>

16:01:09

!startmeeting fpc

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:12:52

Meeting started at 2024-08-29 16:01:09 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

16:12:52

The Meeting name is 'fpc'

<@james:fedora.im>

16:13:06

Hello meet bot

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:13:10

whoooosh 😆

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:13:12

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:13:18

welp

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:13:21

!hi

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:13:22

😂

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:13:23

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:13:55

the upstream rpm docs do mention just using a tilde for pre-releases like `1.0~rc1`, but nothing about snapshots https://rpm-software-management.github.io/rpm/manual/spec.html#version

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:14:01

Carl George: you're right, I think it's a bit silly, but as you point out, technically correct and in line with the guidelines (albeit more complicated than necessary)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:14:23

people don't generally do that though, so we should reconcile that with reality

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:14:25

ideally we could make the entire snapshot versioning just a parametrized macro (or two) and have everything use that for consistency in formatting 😆

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:14:44

so that's what i want feedback on, are we all generally in favor of allowing pre-release snapshots to be in the format of `1.0~1.abcdefg`?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:14:52

yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

16:14:54

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:14:59

i.e. drop the caret, and modify the MUST language around it

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:15:08

that's the original syntax we had before caret-based stuff was added

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:15:15

I'm not sure why it was dropped

<@james:fedora.im>

16:15:41

Yeh, my guess it was a mistake of how ^ was added to rpm versioning before ~ ... so there was a bit where one was supported but not the other.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:16:10

if that's the direction we generally agree on i'll continue with my changes under that assumption and get a pr finalized

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:16:38

the obvious solution is ^̃

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:16:50

+ U0303

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:16:57

^ and U0303

<@james:fedora.im>

16:18:21

Yes, let's add unicode ... what could possibly go wrong.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:18:39

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<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

16:19:38

so that I can add something of substance: while I agree w/ carl's interpretation, I also think it makes things .. confusing. Just yesterday I went looking for this because I remembered hearing the ~^ format but couldn't find docs on it, so. Yeah, support dropping caret + MUST

<@music:fedora.im>

16:20:03

Related: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1210

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:20:51

thanks music, i wasn't aware of (or forgot about) this issue, my goal is definitely to resolve it with my in-progress pr

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

16:22:36

Sadly I just can't remember all of the history around that document.

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

16:23:16

I don't think the idea was to get rid of any existing functionality but the process for adding the tilde and caret stuff over time was just so drawn out and painful.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:23:37

yeah 😧

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:24:25

tis the nature of things

<@james:fedora.im>

16:24:57

Digging into very old issues/problems: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/984

<@james:fedora.im>

16:25:18

I think we can probably close this by just adding an IF to this paragraph.

<@james:fedora.im>

16:30:15

Anything else?

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

16:30:48

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

16:30:49

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:31:32

nobody jumped onto this idea? :(

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:31:43

I was at least semi-serious

<@james:fedora.im>

16:31:58

If you open a PR, I'll probably +1 it :)

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:32:17

since snapshot versioning is something that most people occasionally get wrong it would help to have a machine figure it out

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:32:53

i think reducing the number of valid formats will help more people get it right

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:32:59

also true

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:33:02

at which point a macro would be a bit overkill imo

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:33:08

(I'll think about it and maybe present a prototype once ready)

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

16:34:55

I would not say no. I think it would be super useful but there are so many corner cases.

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

16:35:06

Also these days we have to consider interaction with autorelease.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

16:35:12

both true

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

16:35:25

The more auto the better at this point; I think most people have come around to that.

<@music:fedora.im>

16:40:34

I do not usually find the “forge macros” beneficial enough to be worth the added indirection, but they do now support new-style snapshot versioning in Version instead of Release – I think still with an implicit assumption that all snapshots are post-release, but it is an extant way of automating it.

<@carlwgeorge:matrix.org>

16:41:43

same

<@music:fedora.im>

16:41:52

Actually, you can tell it to use `~` too.

<@music:fedora.im>

16:42:02

https://git.sr.ht/~gotmax23/forge-srpm-macros/tree/main/item/rpm/macros.d/macros.forge#L75

<@james:fedora.im>

16:43:30

Okay, unless anyone has anything else I'm going to close the meeting in a couple of minutes.

<@james:fedora.im>

16:45:22

!endmeeting