#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:49

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2024-12-12)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:50

Meeting started at 2024-12-12 19:00:49 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:50

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2024-12-12)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:58

!meetingname AltImages

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:58

!topic aloha

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:58

The Meeting Name is now AltImages

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:01:39

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:40

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:27

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:03:16

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:18

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:27

Hi Conan Kudo

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:53

I guess we can start, and see if the others make it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:05

!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:05

!topic Requested Features

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:39

Robby Callicotte: Were you working on the persistant media?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:05:23

I've been trying to get going on that but I've been fighting issues at dayjob blocking my access

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:05:49

I see that the dracut PR was merged upstream tho

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:51

Ya, I saw that on the channel. That's a bit of a pain.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:27

Oh yes ... they also fixed some other issues, I need to test that.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:07:30

I'm afraid other than reporting that I have no real updates on this issue :(

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:33

So, in theory, since the darcut PR was merged, it should be more possible for us to get persistant media working.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:07:46

Yes, that is my understanding

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:51

Cool

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:41

I didn't get any work on the raw image, other than getting hardware setup.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:20

Using sd-cards is just soooo slow, so I've got an external hard drive, and things look like I can boot off it.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:09:30

Nice

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:05

I just need to build the images, so I can put them on it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:45

I feel like it's a bit of a waste, doing the tests on a 1T drive ... but it was litterally sitting in a drawer for close to a year, so I'm using it. :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:57

I would really like to get auto persist working

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:27

Which version of dracut has the PR in it?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:11:34

From kiwi perspective, what config needs to be added to the descriptions?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:13:31

mostly adjusting the grub config template

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:16

I had it at one point ... but it didn't work, so I'm not sure if my config was wrong, or dracut was too old.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:14:34

Is there an example of that anywhere?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:15:09

Oh cool.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:37

Looking ... I started with a Fedora pull request ... let me find the link.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:39

it is unreleased: https://github.com/dracut-ng/dracut-ng/commit/6ac1033c8d59e2324f56a2c453f14a0318cc7190

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:38

This is what I started with - https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1360

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:15

yeah, that's the example of how to adjust the grub configs

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:23

I should make a version of that PR for kiwi I suppose

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:51

Since it needed tweeking, I kept changing alot.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:34

I never got it working, so I never pushed the branch ... I guess I shoulda ...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:57

it's alright, I will make a branch

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:17

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:35

Changing subject to CS10 images ... I'm almost done with the KDE images, I should have those in the c10s branch be end of day today.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:06

I'll also have the fix for MAX, so that just two gnome items show up (normal and classic)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:55

Right now, I'm having Chromium install on all the CS10 desktops, and KDE will also have Falkon.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:43

Oh, and talking of KDE, kdeconnect finally works on CS10. I'm so excited. That's been my longest bug.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:22:44

Cool

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:30

Once I get those pushed to the cs10 branch, I'm going to start testing installing firefox with flatpak.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:07

Although I'm quite certain it will fail using the CentOS CBS koji .... I still want to try so I can say I tried and failed.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:52

But who knows ... maybe it will work ... maybe ... cuz it's in Fedoras infrastructure ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:48

Of course, there is still the problem with the installer. ☹️

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:26:08

CBS is not in fedora infra

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:26:14

it's in a separate network

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:26:33

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... well then ... it really isn't going to work.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:26:58

you could probably use Falkon everywhere

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:27:06

most of the lightweight spins seem to use it in Fedora

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:27:15

CBS is running on CentOS stream?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:22

Oh ... cool.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:45

CBS is running on CentOS's infrastructure.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:28:52

CBS runs on RHEL now

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:29:00

they used to use CentOS, and now they don't

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:29:08

as far as I know

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:33

I know what CentOS Stream koji is running on, RHEL8, but I don't know about CBS.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:29:47

IIRC they are RHEL 9 boxes

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:30:12

Ok.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:12

Talking about intallers ... Conan Kudo has there been any progress on getting that pull request merged in anaconda? I don't know if it stalled, or I just missed something.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:30:24

it seems to be stuck

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:30:41

I asked in #anaconda:fedoraproject.org, and it looks like nobody will look at it until January :(

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:07

I'm ok with January ... if they really do look at it then.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:32:39

I'm still working on getting initial-setup into epel10 ... almost there, a bit more discussion I think.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:32:58

But, since we don't have the installer, it's not doing much good, other than raw images.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:14

Hmm ... I guess we could have x86_64 raw images.

<@soupcreator:matrix.org>

19:34:40

X86-64 raw images would be funny.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:23

True, but ... ya ... I'm not seeing anyone actually use them, other than virtual machines.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:15

I think we've covered everything in the "Requested Features" ... Moving to Open Floor.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:38

Sorry, Whats Next

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:45

!topic Whats Next

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:37:30

Other than working on the requested features we talked about, is there anything anyone is planning on for the next month?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:57

I managed to get funding to go to CentOS Connect / FOSDOM ... so I'll be giving a presentation for the SIG then.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:39:39

We were toying with the idea quick and dirty QA testing at my $dayjob. Dowloading images and putting them through our company qa tests on a daily basis.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:40:07

I eventually want to have this running outside my corp infa for testing/reporting sake

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:11

Would they be able to do that with Live Images?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:40:14

bug reports etc

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:29

Are are you thinking more of the RAW one's, once they get going?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:40:38

raw ones

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:13

Cool. That gives me more motivation to get them working.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:31

Robby Callicotte: aarch64 only? Or would they want x86_64 ones too?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:41:51

x86_64 would be welcome for sure

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:42:09

fortunately that's easy to do

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:42:40

is it just oem/format=raw configuration in kiwi?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:42:42

Yep, cuz it's much easier for me to test the x86_64 ones. Just on virtual machines, but still easier.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:42:57

it's the same stuff we do for aarch64 images

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:43:06

ah ok

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:43:09

if you look at fedora-kiwi-descriptions, all the aarch64 disks can be built for all arches

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:43:22

the only reason we don't build them is because nobody has asked

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:44:04

well dayjob uses tons of those zima-boards that should be a good fit right?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:44:10

yeah

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:44:51

So, talking about the fedora-kiwi-descriptions. I was looking at those for the erofs stuff.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:46:01

oh?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:46:23

oh ... now that I did a git pull, the option changed.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:46:47

https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/105

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:47:11

There used to be filesystem="erofs" erofscompression="zstd,level=12" ... and it kept erroring on the zstd,level=12 option.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:47:38

yes, zstd,level=12 is not supported in el9

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:48:05

I see you changed it to lzma,level=9 ... I'll try that.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:48:24

I believe erofs has lzma support in el9

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:48:29

if not, you'll need to use lz4

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:48:45

OK, I'll give it a try.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:02

unfortunately the erofs website is out of date :(

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:15

it was last updated for linux 6.6

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:16

https://erofs.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/index.html

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:49:37

which _might_ be accurate for CentOS 9, but wouldn't be for Fedora or CentOS 10

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:50:02

Yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:50:51

OK, I'll give that a try. I'd like to have the CS10 images use erofs. And, if things look good, CS9 as well, but definately CS10.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:51:12

same

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:51:39

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:52:16

I know we've sorta been open floor most of the time, but is there anything people have been holding back on saying/asking because it wasn't open floor?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:52:21

we now have the comps groups for KDE and similar in EPEL 10 and working now, right?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:52:36

if we do, we need those groups imported into CBS for image builds

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:52:47

that's what's been stopping me from working on hyperscale 10 images

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:52:49

We do. We don't have all of the packages yet, so I have some excludes.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:54:02

ignore ... not excludes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:54:18

also, should I ask for a separate tag for hyperscale kernels so that other sigs can consume it separate from the rest of hyperscale experimental?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:55:02

we've briefly talked about this before, but as we're rejiggering things for 10 right now, I think Davide Cavalca and I would like to know if you're interested in using our kernel for some of your images

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:55:21

particularly stuff like ARM SBC images

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:56:24

I think there are going to be people who want it. Why don't we do that and see how easy/hard it is.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:56:38

alright, I'll have to ask for new build tags for it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:56:44

then we can go from there

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:56:58

Yep

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:57:28

should I do it just for 10 or both 9 and 10?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:57:44

Let's start with 10 for now.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:57:51

okay

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:58:42

I think we'd also need to have seperate images for them. Maybe CentOS Stream 10 HyperKernel ... or something.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:59:20

the other option is that you can use kmods sig kernels

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:59:24

I don't like that name ... but .... something so people know they are a bit different.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:59:27

though those are more fedora-ish than rhel-ish

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:59:57

Is the CentOS kmods sig still alive?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:00:14

I guess I haven't been following it, it could be alike and very well and I just didn't notice.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:00:44

I just saw the time.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:01:12

Thank you all for the good discussions and the work ya'll are doing getting these Alt Images working.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

20:01:25

Thank you Troy

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:01:40

Have some fun, safe holidays, and I'll talk to you next month / year.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

20:01:49

bye all

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

20:01:55

!endmeeting