#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:29

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-01-09)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:30

Meeting started at 2025-01-09 19:00:29 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:30

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-01-09)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:37

!meetingname AltImages

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:37

!topic aloha

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:38

The Meeting Name is now AltImages

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:02:20

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:02:23

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:30

Hi Conan Kudo

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:19

I don't know how many others are going to join, so I'm going to start

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:32

!topic Requested Features and Bugs

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:41

!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:54

!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/spin-bugs/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:28

Starting with the bugs - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/spin-bugs/issue/3

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:03

I got that fixed. With this quarters release, we only have the normal amount of GNOME entries in the MAX Live image.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:05:27

nice

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:49

I'll be closing that. I just noticed the bug when I started the meeting.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:24

This feature request is also done - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/8

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:28

Anaconda was updated, which fixed several bugs. It now allows us to run the Live installer. That was a main blocker for CS10 images.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:15

We might have a couple releases of CS10 this quarter, or maybe just save all the updates for next quarter, I'm not sure.

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:08:46

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:08:48

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:20

There is still an anaconda patch that needs to go in. And the updated erofs-utils didn't make it through testing in time for the images, so they aren't using that either.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:27

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:27

But, the images work, the installer works ... and they have browsers. :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:56

I have updated the SIG pages with links to the 10 images in the appropriate places - https://sigs.centos.org/altimages/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:38

As for the other Feature requests, I haven't had a chance to work on them this past month.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:25

I know Robby was working on persistent media - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/3

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:48

Didn't I hear something about dracut getting the correct patches in so that will work?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:18

dracut in fedora and centos need to be updated to newer versions

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:16:26

hello! sorry, double booked

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:28

or at least some patches backported

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:16:33

will be lurking while I have lunch

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:16:34

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:16:35

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:38

Hi Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:36

OK, so it's more likely to hit Fedora first ... I guess once it does, we can test on some of the images there, and if it's working get the patches into CentOS.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:44

yup

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:10

So, a few more months for that.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:25

That's still one of the more exciting features that I'm waiting for.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:40

I'm also prepping a fedora change to switch to erofs

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:19:19

!link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EROFSforLiveMedia

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:10

apparently the FCOS people want to do it too, so I'm waiting to see if they want to add details of their own change to it

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:20:59

Related, I think mkosi uses this too now

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:21:28

I have a erofs backport for Ubuntu because they do their CI on GitHub

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:21:44

I have an erofs backport for Ubuntu because they do their CI on GitHub

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:44

I didn't get the change in this quarter, but I did some tests, and I did find that the compression times were faster, and compression about the same as before, and that was with the older erofs. I'm going to do the same tests on our images with the newer erofs sometime this next month.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:22:35

at least according to the FCOS people, RHEL 10 isn't going to support squashfs, so that kind of bumps the priority up a bit

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:23:03

that might wind up being as simple as squashfs-tools isn't available in RHEL

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:23:09

since the kmod is already deprecated

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:23:36

Oh … interesting

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:24:00

I don't know the veracity of the claim, but they mentioned it in their meeting earlier this week

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:04

Yep .. which is odd, because images build with the old settings. I'm wondering if it's secretly using erofs when I build the images.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:24:37

no, it's probably that squashfs-tools is still available so things work

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:24:42

it's still in baseos

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:30

Ah, ok.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:12

I think we've already said most of this but ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:15

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:52

We've released this quarters images. CS9 Live and WS as well as CS10 Live and WS.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:25

I've also updated the SIG page with links to the CS10 ones.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:28:51

WS?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:13

We've released this quarters images. CS9 Live and WSL as well as CS10 Live and WSL.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:23

Tada!! ... WSL :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:29:52

O.o

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:22

https://mirror.stream.centos.org/SIGs/10-stream/altimages/images/wsl/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:07

These are the WSL v2 images. They haven't been updated to be built the new way.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:31:09

wow

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:52

So, the instructions are the same - https://sigs.centos.org/altimages/wsl-images/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:33:03

I also haven't tested if our CS10 WSL images can do graphics or not. I only tested text based stuff.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:34:47

I think that's all the stuff that we've done ... I'm going to move to Open Floor.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:01

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:47

I'm working on creating an AltImages "information" page ... similar to https://www.centos.org/hyperscale/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:35:58

But with working links. :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:36:19

KDE better be there :P

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:36:40

yeah I actually don't know how we're going to have working links for /hyperscale

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:37:10

Well, at the very least, point at the directories with the images.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:37:39

I would actually expect altimages to be linked from https://www.centos.org/download/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:37:46

since they are based on stock content

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:27

I talked with Shaun about that, but we ran our of time and we needed to publish the website.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:47

It's something we can do at CentOS Connect / FOSDOM

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:15

The Monday after, I'm staying to help with the Docs. It's something I can add then.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:40

Speaking of CentOS Connect, we have a joint HyperScale AltImages workgroup meeting then.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:14

meetup ... that's it.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:42:22

yup

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:42:28

I'll be there for the Monday thing too

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:42:36

Cool

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:06

I'll also be giving an AltImages presentation.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:37

I'll try to find some new demo to do. We'll see what happens.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:45:24

Speaking of FOSDOM, there is also a CentOS and it's SIGs presentation.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:45:59

I believe AltImages, Hyperscale, and one other were going to be featured / asked to co-present ... have any of you heard about that?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:47:53

wasn't Adam Samalik going to do it?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:48:04

wasn't Adam Samalik leading that?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:48:17

is he still on for FOSDEM?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:48:36

No. I'll probrubly be doing it in his place.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:49:46

Although, looking at the schedule, maybe it's been dropped.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:50:46

Less stress on me if it's been dropped. :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:50:59

https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/track/distributions/

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:52:20

We're coming up on the top of the hour. Is there anything else we needed/wanted to cover before we close?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:54:05

Thank you all very much for coming and the discussion. And thank you for all you do for the AltImages SIG.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:54:38

I'll talk to you later. Hopefully in person at CentOS Connect.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:54:54

!endmeeting