2025-01-16 17:00:07 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2025-01-16 17:00:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-16 17:00:07 UTC
2025-01-16 17:00:08 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2025-01-16 17:00:11 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-01-16 17:00:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-16 17:00:22 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-01-16 17:00:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> aggraxis gave a cookie to davdunc. They now have 41 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 41 release cycle
2025-01-16 17:00:52 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-16 17:00:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2025-01-16 17:00:57 <@limb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-16 17:00:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers
2025-01-16 17:01:27 <@james:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: You get back to back meetings, lucky you ;)
2025-01-16 17:01:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2025-01-16 17:01:43 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-16 17:01:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-01-16 17:01:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's almost like my old job
2025-01-16 17:01:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> back to back meetings for hours
2025-01-16 17:04:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> FYI element is behaving weirdly for me today, messages getting delivered out-of-order etc. so if I don't respond (or my messages are out of place) that's probably why 
2025-01-16 17:06:13 <@james:fedora.im> Kind of related ... but does anyone use a matrix client on their phone, and if so which one?
2025-01-16 17:06:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I use element on Android. it's ... meh, fine 
2025-01-16 17:06:32 <@limb:fedora.im> I use Element and Schidichat
2025-01-16 17:06:38 <@limb:fedora.im> Same review. :)
2025-01-16 17:07:03 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'd like to try element X but our homeserver apparently doesn't support that yet 
2025-01-16 17:08:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I use Element
2025-01-16 17:08:42 <@james:fedora.im> I heard someone say FluffyChat is nice if you just want to mainly be in a single room, or send/respond DMs ... which seems like an ideal usecase on my phone
2025-01-16 17:09:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> NeoChat is also available for Android, I think
2025-01-16 17:09:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but it's not on the Google Play Store yet
2025-01-16 17:09:43 <@james:fedora.im> Ahh
2025-01-16 17:09:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if it was, I'd probably recommend that
2025-01-16 17:10:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I use Element and NeoChat on the desktop
2025-01-16 17:10:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so I'd probably do the same on my phone too
2025-01-16 17:10:29 <@limb:fedora.im> I use nheko and Fractal on desktop.
2025-01-16 17:11:45 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, on the desktop I still just use chat.fp.org ... so I'm def. not with it ;)
2025-01-16 17:12:14 <@james:fedora.im> I do pin the tabs though <= super user ;)
2025-01-16 17:12:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I do highly recommend NeoChat. Especially if you use Fedora KDE, as it's preinstalled. :)
2025-01-16 17:13:19 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1358 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1358
2025-01-16 17:13:54 <@james:fedora.im> I don't we've seen churchyard here since this opened :(
2025-01-16 17:14:11 <@james:fedora.im> It looks pretty simple though ... anyone else want to ack it?
2025-01-16 17:15:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sure
2025-01-16 17:16:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> seems good to me +1
2025-01-16 17:16:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> me two
2025-01-16 17:18:41 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1431 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1431
2025-01-16 17:18:49 <@limb:fedora.im> Me three
2025-01-16 17:20:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> sigh
2025-01-16 17:20:37 <@james:fedora.im> I think this might be a case of "maybe the random person who owns the setup package shouldn't have all this power/etc. ... but then it was much less easy to follow the process of speaking to us, just so we'd ack stuff or ask the maintainer anyway"
2025-01-16 17:20:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the setup package is ancient
2025-01-16 17:20:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it predates fedora
2025-01-16 17:21:06 <@james:fedora.im> yeh, and rhel
2025-01-16 17:21:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> to be honest I'm thinking that we should just say "the setup package has the authoritative list, additions must go through FPC"
2025-01-16 17:21:34 <@limb:fedora.im> I like that.
2025-01-16 17:21:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-01-16 17:21:49 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> having things in two places is a recipe for things going out of sync 
2025-01-16 17:22:05 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-16 17:22:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-01-16 17:22:10 <@carlwgeorge:matrix.org> sorry i'm late, lost track of time
2025-01-16 17:22:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> though that brings up whether we should consider migrating setup to run through systemd sysusers
2025-01-16 17:22:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> which is a whole separate enchilada
2025-01-16 17:23:04 <@james:fedora.im> Carl George: Hey, I wasn't sure if you were back yet
2025-01-16 17:23:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> opensuse did this a while ago to their equivalent
2025-01-16 17:23:47 <@james:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: I think the main problem is initial install? But maybe that works fine with sysusers too
2025-01-16 17:24:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> would probably be worth asking our systemd people about it
2025-01-16 17:25:58 <@james:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini: Did you want to open a PR to nuke the list and say that?
2025-01-16 17:28:55 <@james:fedora.im> I guess we just link to: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/setup/blob/rawhide/f/uidgid
2025-01-16 17:29:50 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-01-16 17:30:07 <@james:fedora.im> That's it for things I had to talk about this week ... anyone else have anything?
2025-01-16 17:30:26 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nope
2025-01-16 17:30:35 <@limb:fedora.im> nada
2025-01-16 17:31:05 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, can let Conan Kudo get away with only 1.5 meetings ;)
2025-01-16 17:31:15 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2025-01-16 17:31:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I actually have another meeting in a half hour
2025-01-16 17:32:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I can use this time for lunch
2025-01-16 17:32:16 <@james:fedora.im> Happiness is meetings, meetings are happiness.
2025-01-16 17:32:39 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting