#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:08

!startmeeting fpc

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:09

Meeting started at 2025-02-06 17:00:08 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:10

The Meeting name is 'fpc'

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:12

!topic Roll Call

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:00:45

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:47

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:56

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:57

James Antill (james)

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:01:08

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:01:09

Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:01:24

me too

<@james:fedora.im>

17:01:26

Hey, zombi Conan Kudo

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:01:49

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:01:50

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@james:fedora.im>

17:01:53

Oh, oh ... gonna need Bruce Campbell's help

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:02

I'm a couple steps removed from actually being sick, but my sleep schedule is out of whack

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:02:12

I wouldn't mind seeing the Andy Warhol version on my wall

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:26

oh yes, and soup would be nice

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:02:55

I got home to being snowed in again too :(

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:03:02

literally the day after, now being snowed in again

<@james:fedora.im>

17:03:09

Snow and freezing rain outside my house ... so soup sounds good

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:03:13

I'm quadruple booked this hour, thanks to work throwing in a last minute meeting, so glad this one is in text mode

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:03:35

I just got out of a double booking the previous hour

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:03:51

my second booking canceled at the last minute

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:04:05

oof. we have a light dusting of snow outside but apart from that I'm just adjusting to my house being more drafty than the hotels in Brussels (FOSDEM venue was of course really stuffy indoors) and the temp being a few degrees lower. glad it's not negative F territory anymore

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:04:09

since they were both video calls, that would have been hard

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:04:41

interviewer right?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:04:46

that's tough

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

17:07:17

!hi

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:07:18

Hey.

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:07:18

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:08:44

yeah. not going to say too much in recorded meeting :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:08:51

no worries

<@james:fedora.im>

17:09:18

!topic Open Floor

<@james:fedora.im>

17:10:03

Well ... we have quorum, so if anyone has anything to discuss etc. ... this is a great time. Saying that, I don't have any new tickets or activity on old tickets.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:12:11

I have not had time to start on a draft to document how to use different autosetup flags

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:12:13

Yeah, nothing from me. Need to do another pass over the existing tickets but it's tough to find the time.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:12:18

if anyone want to start, don't be blocked on me

<@james:fedora.im>

17:13:47

It's probably worth a quick look at: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1437

<@james:fedora.im>

17:14:11

I don't think anyone will have a problem, but now's the time to speak up if you do

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

17:14:44

sounds like an easy yes

<@james:fedora.im>

17:20:33

Okay, it's done.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:20:34

yeah, I already left a +1 in the ticket

<@james:fedora.im>

17:20:50

I think we can probably also merge this one: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1436

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:21:40

it's a rather big change, and also backwards incompatible (but doesn't keep the stuff that you need to do on Fedora <42)

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:22:05

this still seems to be a bit in flux

<@james:fedora.im>

17:23:30

Yeh, I wasn't sure if everyone was backported to F41 ... or if we'd have to keep old things around for a bit. Also el10.

<@james:fedora.im>

17:23:40

s/everyone/everything/

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:24:36

especially the "create sysusers.d snippet in-line in the spec file" is only supported with latest RPM

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:24:52

previous versions of the macro required the sysusers conf file to be a separate SOURCE

<@james:fedora.im>

17:25:15

ahh

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:26:42

I mean, removing that restriction is nice, but that should be explicit that this is only supported on Fedora 42+ (I think?)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

17:30:20

i have a faint recollection of things like this waiting to become the standard until the necessary feature is available in all current fedora releases

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

17:30:45

writing up exceptions based on lacking rpm features is generally an epel thing 😁

<@james:fedora.im>

17:30:58

Yeh, that's what we've done in the past ... I just saw rpm-4.20 in F41 too

<@james:fedora.im>

17:31:09

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPMSuportForSystemdSysusers

<@james:fedora.im>

17:31:09

- Enable rpm sysusers.d integration via native systemd-sysusers for

<@james:fedora.im>

17:31:09

* Wed Jan 22 2025 Panu Matilai <pmatilai@redhat.com> - 4.20.0-8

<@james:fedora.im>

17:31:09

But the real change was in ...

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:31:09

Well we certainly can't require this of all packages at least until it's supported in all Fedora releases.

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:31:35

But we can say that a feature is available in newer releases while still documenting how to do it in other releases.

<@decathorpe:fedora.im>

17:31:47

guidelines don't apply retroactively, but I don't think it's good to remove documentation for what should be done on Fedora <42

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:31:58

And eventually those can move to an EPEL page if we want.

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:32:17

All this means is that there's no way we can merge that PR as is.

<@james:fedora.im>

17:33:02

This one might be easier, but I don't know much about fonts ... https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1428

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:33:05

Still, it would be quite nice to document this new way.

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:41:51

This PR is interesting: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/pull-request/318

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:43:02

It automatically creates the macros for running brp-* scripts that it finds under /usr/lib/rpm/macros.d

<@james:fedora.im>

17:46:08

Not sure if that is genius or heinous

<@tibbs:fedora.im>

17:46:33

Lets packages add new brp-* scripts without having to modify redhat-rpm-config.

<@james:fedora.im>

17:52:11

Yeh, that bit is great ... it working via. a big pile of lua, I'm less sure about.

<@james:fedora.im>

17:53:59

Anyway ... if there's nothing else, I'll close a couple of minutes early

<@james:fedora.im>

17:57:09

!endmeeting