2025-02-13 19:00:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-02-18)
2025-02-13 19:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-02-13 19:00:39 UTC
2025-02-13 19:00:40 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-02-18)'
2025-02-13 19:00:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2025-02-13 19:00:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-02-13 19:00:46 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2025-02-13 19:01:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> With Robby not here, it sorta feels like we talked about everything in person at FOSDOM.
2025-02-13 19:02:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But let's have the meeting anyway, so everything is on the record.
2025-02-13 19:02:37 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-02-13 19:02:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-02-13 19:02:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah having a fosdem record on the record is not a bad idea
2025-02-13 19:02:52 <@salimma:fedora.im> uh, recap I mean
2025-02-13 19:03:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind 🎩 UTC-6 
2025-02-13 19:05:08 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-02-13 19:05:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-02-13 19:05:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, let's do that for our first agenda item.
2025-02-13 19:05:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic CentOS Connect / FOSDOM recap
2025-02-13 19:06:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Many members of the AltImages SIG were at CentOS Connect and FOSDOM.
2025-02-13 19:06:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-02-13 19:06:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-02-13 19:06:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There was a Hyperscale and AltImages workshop / meetup.
2025-02-13 19:06:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-02-13 19:07:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Troy also gave our semi-annual presentation on what we've been doing
2025-02-13 19:08:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXTK-CvB-OE
2025-02-13 19:08:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm trying to remember what came out of the meetup and conversations.
2025-02-13 19:09:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I do remember I agreed to try to get the new way of doing WSL going - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/12
2025-02-13 19:10:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm sorta fuzzy on what we agreed on / talked about during the meetup ... most of it was hyperscale.
2025-02-13 19:10:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> happy to test once there's an image
2025-02-13 19:11:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> I'm unhappily running Ubuntu on my ARM x13s under WSL (Debian's podman had issues on WSL for some reason)
2025-02-13 19:11:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> I think I took notes for Hyperscale, let me see if I can find my notes to see what are Alt Images related
2025-02-13 19:11:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Speaking of arm, someone tried our WSL image on their older ARM laptop, but it didn't work due to hardware problems.
2025-02-13 19:12:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The hardware was so old (I guess) it didn't do virtulization, and thus would only do WSL 1
2025-02-13 19:14:34 <@salimma:fedora.im> nope, I did not take any notes for Alt, sorry
2025-02-13 19:14:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> ah yeah we probably should document the minimum requirements
2025-02-13 19:15:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, that's a good idea.
2025-02-13 19:15:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Someone else also had a graphical problem, which turned out to be they didn't have all the right packages installed.
2025-02-13 19:16:31 <@salimma:fedora.im> should we bake in the packages needed to - say, run graphical apps?
2025-02-13 19:16:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !info more WSL documentation is needed.  Hardware requirements.  Minimal package requirements for graphical packages.
2025-02-13 19:17:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think that's a good idea.  We just have to figure out what the minimal amount is.
2025-02-13 19:17:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for sure
2025-02-13 19:18:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe the person with the problem had just installed nautilus, which missed something.   But I thought I just installed firefox and it worked ... so somewhere in between there.
2025-02-13 19:18:42 <@salimma:fedora.im> Troy really has bad luck with nautilus :)
2025-02-13 19:19:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I've got an issue open for it - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/14
2025-02-13 19:20:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> For me, on my home desktop, it worked really well (nautilus and gnome stuff), but it was CS10, and I'd already installed the KDE desktop, so everything was pulled in.
2025-02-13 19:22:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Talking about issues ... this past month I verified that the initial-startup stuff works.  So I was going to have it be installed in our live images, just incase someone doesn't create a user.
2025-02-13 19:23:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That will also allow us to create raw images and have the users created on bootup.
2025-02-13 19:23:13 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder if we should just document what the packages are
2025-02-13 19:23:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We could.  I all depends on how much size it adds.
2025-02-13 19:23:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> I know on WSL I normally don't run GUI apps, so ... it would be nice if you can keep the small install ISO but users can easily run one commmand and be ready to run GUI
2025-02-13 19:24:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> like making sure Fedora has a package group people can use to set up a GUI and just tell people to install that
2025-02-13 19:24:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We could.  It all depends on how much size it adds.
2025-02-13 19:24:29 <@salimma:fedora.im> (I'm sure comps has one, I have not tested it on top of a minimal install though)
2025-02-13 19:25:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we don't have a wslg group, but it would make sense to make one
2025-02-13 19:25:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for fedora
2025-02-13 19:25:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> don't think we can do that in centos though
2025-02-13 19:25:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oh I guess we could in EPEL
2025-02-13 19:25:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, using Neal's idea, I was able to run Spectacle ... but when it tried doing screenshots, they were always blank. :(
2025-02-13 19:25:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's nothing to screenshot :)
2025-02-13 19:25:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> spectacle uses either the portal or the kde protocol
2025-02-13 19:25:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> weston supports neither
2025-02-13 19:26:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you need to launch the full plasma desktop including kwin
2025-02-13 19:26:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya ... that's what I figured ... but, at least it came up. :)
2025-02-13 19:26:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think this will let you launch Plasma: `/usr/libexec/plasma-dbus-run-session-if-needed /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland`
2025-02-13 19:27:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I tried that, and it acted like it launched, but nothing ever showed up ... plus nothing would show up afterwords.  Meaning I stopped it, and tried basic stuff, like firefox, and they all pretended they were running, but nothing showed.
2025-02-13 19:29:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> I should try the GNOME desktop once we have the new style images
2025-02-13 19:29:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Not that big of a deal.  Like Michel, I don't use the graphics much.
2025-02-13 19:30:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Do we have anything else to talk about?
2025-02-13 19:31:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe the silence says nope.
2025-02-13 19:31:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine having a short meeting this month.
2025-02-13 19:31:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, time to hop on the CentOS Promo meeting :)
2025-02-13 19:32:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.   Talk to ya'll next month, or on the matrix channel.
2025-02-13 19:32:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting