#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:07

!startmeeting fpc

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:09

Meeting started at 2025-02-20 17:00:07 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

17:00:09

The Meeting name is 'fpc'

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:11

!topic Roll Call

<@limb:fedora.im>

17:00:17

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:19

Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:00:46

!hi

<@james:fedora.im>

17:00:47

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:48

James Antill (james)

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:00:50

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:01:50

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

17:01:52

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:06:40

I'm here, kind of :)

<@james:fedora.im>

17:10:11

!topic FPC#1442 Doc issue in file guidelines/modules/ROOT/pages/index

<@james:fedora.im>

17:10:15

https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1442

<@james:fedora.im>

17:10:58

Seems like it could be a simple PR fix, but maybe 666 examples like this spread around the docs.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:13:33

might be worth fixing all of them in one PR

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:13:51

or as few PRs as possible, and just hold off merging anything else until that's in

<@james:fedora.im>

17:16:27

Yeh

<@james:fedora.im>

17:19:06

!topic Open Floor

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:19:45

I have a PR in progress for gnome-shell extension guidelines, but can't revise it yet until GNOME 48 beta lands

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:20:34

since the change I made to expose `gnome-shell(api)` is stuck in side tags and looks like 48 beta either missed the cut for F42 beta or need FE

<@james:fedora.im>

17:21:34

Bummer

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:01

it's probably going to be an FE

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:08

it's annoying, but there you go

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:22:30

with Kalev leaving Red Hat, there was probably some churn on who works on everything

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:22:51

wait *what*

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:23:02

and have they filed FE yet

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:23:22

(before I left I noticed the builds are still incomplete and apparently unusable - GDM etc all need updating first)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:23:25

Yup. In Tuesday's Workstation WG meeting, he announced he's leaving Red Hat, leaving the WG, and dropping all his GNOME packages

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:25:13

so... we have yet another opening. and lots of packages to pick up :O

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:25:30

this will make my RH Summit talk even spicier

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:25:36

hehe

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:25:45

he suggested David King or Nieves Montero join to replace him

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:25:53

we'll see what happens

<@limb:fedora.im>

17:26:09

Yowza

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:26:31

yeah, amigadave probably has more experience

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:26:41

he's also the OpenH264 maintainer, so we're going to need to figure _that_ out too

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:26:47

are they both RHers? (I know Nieves is)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:26:51

yes

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:26:54

oof

<@james:fedora.im>

17:27:29

Yeh, that's probably the ticket I pinged him on recently

<@james:fedora.im>

17:32:33

Hmm, maybe it was something else ... but I can't find it now. So tht's going to be fun to find ;)

<@james:fedora.im>

17:32:42

Anyone have anything else?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:33:07

I've added a comment to the alternatives ticket about the rpm way to do alternatives

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:33:22

I haven't had time to get alts to build on fedora to flesh out a comment about how that would work for us

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:33:35

the last week has been... not great

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:34:16

and it seems like we have more gcc15 bugs discovered

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:34:36

oh no, what sort of bugs?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:34:46

something bizarre is going on with pcre2 in kde plasma where it takes down the desktop when you interact with the systray _only on real hardware_

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:35:01

and only sometimes but with some frightening regularity for some people

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:35:37

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500443

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:36:25

it doesn't reproduce in a VM, so OpenQA isn't able to gate on it, since we don't have real hardware wired up to that

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:37:11

/any/ real hardware, or just some particular drivers?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

17:37:18

also... in pcre, huh, bizarre

<@james:fedora.im>

17:38:24

You are sure it's pcre2? Shouldn't it be easy to work out what APIs are being called in that library, and create a simple test case?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:43:08

not sure at all

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:43:14

this is just where we are at right now

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:43:31

don't know, it might be particular drivers, we just found out this morning

<@james:fedora.im>

17:44:47

Yeh, looking at the traceback it's pcre dying inside malloc() ... so I'd guess something else is corrupting malloc()'s data by double free, or using something after free()

<@james:fedora.im>

17:45:19

But having stayed away from C++ forever, I probably shouldn't try debugging this ;)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:45:31

well once you're in malloc() it's C territory :P

<@smooge:fedora.im>

17:46:03

and inside of that machine code

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

17:47:54

yup

<@james:fedora.im>

17:48:26

On that note ...

<@james:fedora.im>

17:48:28

!endmeeting