<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:00:15
!startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-04-10)
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
19:00:16
Meeting started at 2025-04-10 19:00:15 UTC
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
19:00:16
The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-04-10)'
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:00:26
!topic aloha
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:00:26
!meetingname AltImages
<@meetbot:fedora.im>
19:00:27
The Meeting Name is now AltImages
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:00:35
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
19:00:36
Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:00:42
Hi Robby Callicotte
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:00:48
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
19:00:49
Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:00:57
Hi Michel Lind UTC-6
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:03:22
I was waiting a few minutes to see if Neal would show up ... but I guess we can start.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:03:39
!hi
<@zodbot:fedora.im>
19:03:40
Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:03:50
HI Conan Kudo
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:04:02
!topic Requested Features
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:04:20
!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:05:06
Oh, I just realized I didn't mark all of them with feature requests.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:05:28
https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/14
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:06:12
That one is done, it turns out we just needed libglvnd-gles in our WSL base image, and then the GNOME stuff would work graphically.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:06:46
I've been working on https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/12
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:07:29
It would be really nice to use Fedora's wsl-setup ... get it into EPEL, or maybe into CS/RHEL
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:08:03
well, if we add WSL to https://gitlab.com/Conan_Kudo/centos-stream-kiwi-descriptions, it would need to be in CS/RHEL
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:08:28
Yep
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:08:28
but it will also need to be done slightly more creatively so that the branding is configured on install, as opposed to statically at build time like the Fedora one does
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:08:46
(technically this probably needs to be fixed for Fedora too...)
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:09:09
Ya, looking at it, it doesn't say anything about what version.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:09:56
And the %if statements need to be fixed, cuz right now, if you try to build it on anything but Fedora and ELN, it errors out.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:12:03
But we (Alt Images) need to do some more tweaking to our kiwi-descriptions to bring them closer to Fedora's. Although I've got a local build of wsl-setup, we're not getting our name set, for the image name. So that users don't have to do wsl --install --name=CentOS --file ...
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:12:39
I thought we were very close, but diving down I already found one difference, and I need to track down whatever else is different.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:13:52
But, I feel it's just a matter of time, we'll get there.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:14:12
I also would like to have a conversation with the WSL folks at Microsoft as some of the design choices are less than ideal
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:14:34
If you know who to talk to, that would be great.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:14:42
I wish I did 😅
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:15:46
It would also be nice to figure out how to get Kiwi to output the tarballs with a .wsl postfix
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:16:08
Would Jim Perrin know someone on the MS team?
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:16:38
That's very easy.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:16:38
Or maybe Jack ... the new guy on the CentOS Board.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:16:58
It is possible to override the file extension for a generated artifact.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:17:06
because it's possible to override the whole filename :)
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:17:11
oh yeah!
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:17:18
oh is .wsl just another archive underneath?
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:17:23
just like .crate is a .zip
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:17:25
it's just a tarball yes
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:17:31
pot
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:17:36
plain ol tar
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:17:40
it's amusing that they actually use tarballs and it's a windows thing
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:17:43
there's old .wsl which is appx, and new .wsl which is tarball
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:17:44
Correct, you just move *.tar.gz to *.wsl
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:17:47
and rust folks use zip
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:18:02
eew appx
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:18:05
there's a ticket about teaching kiwi about new-style wsl archives
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:18:19
!link https://github.com/OSInside/kiwi/issues/2678
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:18:35
but that's just really syntax sugar
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:18:52
we didn't do it for F42 because frankly I forgot to fix it in the pungi config
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:19:02
but we can fix it for F43 so it gets categorized as a WSL artifact
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:19:08
Cool
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:20:19
After I get the name thing going, changing the suffix is next on the list. As long as I know it's possible, and it's also getting worked on, then that should make it easier.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:20:58
it's basically telling kiwi a different bundle filename format for WSL
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:21:22
I'll add the logic to fedora-kiwi-descriptions and pungi-fedora when I get a breath
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:21:57
Moving on to the other issues.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:22:27
I didn't get any progress done on RAW images - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/4
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:22:40
So, not much to say there.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:23:03
Do we know if the RHEL kernel turned on DeviceTree support for ARM?
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:23:13
Robby Callicotte: Were you able to do anything with persistant images? https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/3
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:23:28
I haven't checked at all.
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:24:01
No sir I was not. But it looks like some amount of progress was made dracut side
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:24:04
I haven't checked at all. I assume, no, because they don't want to support that, but maybe they do.
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:24:22
not much really
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:24:30
because I haven't had any time because of GCC 15 :(
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:24:31
Just not certain if that PR made it into a tagged release yet
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:24:40
ah
<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>
19:24:49
that PR is part of dracut-106
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:25:00
this has been the cycle from hell
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:25:20
last spring was bad enough but I'm pretty sure I tackled most of my FTBFSes before final freeze back then
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:25:21
106?? oh
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:25:35
this time... nope, if it's not critical I'm sorry, too many weird outages to debug
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:27:03
As cool and neat as persistant storage is, getting the main things working again (GCC 15) takes priority ... so not a problem if it hasn't been updated.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:27:28
Moving on ..
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:27:31
!topic Latest News
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:28:11
I've gotten this quarters Live images updated, tested, fixed, built again, and published.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:28:40
I've got a pull request to get the links updated on the centos.org site - https://git.centos.org/centos/centos.org/pull-request/265
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:29:32
awesome
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:29:33
I had a fun surprise when testing that on CS10 the login screen was all white (white background, white text)
<@salimma:fedora.im>
19:29:40
got to multitask with another meeting, but I'll keep an eye on this
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:30:32
After digging through way too much code, it was do to the png -> jxl transformation, and although the package was fixed in EPEL10, it never went to bodhi update.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:31:24
It actually would have been shorter time if it wasn't fixed ... it's frustrating going through code that is actually fixed, looking for the flaw. :)
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:32:16
The CS10 KDE version has plasma 6.3.4.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:32:33
That's all I have for news.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:32:48
!topic Open Floor
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:33:06
Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:33:41
Nothing from me. Just wish I had more free time lol
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:35:32
Well, I'm fine having a shorter meeting.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:36:21
I know time is short with all sorts of things happening in other places, so I do appreciate all you do for Alt Images.
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:36:37
I'll talk to you next month, and quite possibly sooner.
<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>
19:36:46
bye Troy
<@tdawson:fedora.im>
19:36:51
!endmeeting