2025-04-10 19:00:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-04-10)
2025-04-10 19:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-04-10 19:00:15 UTC
2025-04-10 19:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-04-10)'
2025-04-10 19:00:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-04-10 19:00:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2025-04-10 19:00:27 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2025-04-10 19:00:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-10 19:00:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-04-10 19:00:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2025-04-10 19:00:48 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-04-10 19:00:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-04-10 19:00:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-04-10 19:03:22 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was waiting a few minutes to see if Neal would show up ... but I guess we can start.
2025-04-10 19:03:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-04-10 19:03:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-04-10 19:03:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> HI Conan Kudo 
2025-04-10 19:04:02 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Requested Features
2025-04-10 19:04:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open
2025-04-10 19:05:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, I just realized I didn't mark all of them with feature requests.
2025-04-10 19:05:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/14
2025-04-10 19:06:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That one is done, it turns out we just needed libglvnd-gles in our WSL base image, and then the GNOME stuff would work graphically.
2025-04-10 19:06:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've been working on https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/12
2025-04-10 19:07:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It would be really nice to use Fedora's wsl-setup ... get it into EPEL, or maybe into CS/RHEL
2025-04-10 19:08:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> well, if we add WSL to https://gitlab.com/Conan_Kudo/centos-stream-kiwi-descriptions, it would need to be in CS/RHEL
2025-04-10 19:08:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep
2025-04-10 19:08:28 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but it will also need to be done slightly more creatively so that the branding is configured on install, as opposed to statically at build time like the Fedora one does
2025-04-10 19:08:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> (technically this probably needs to be fixed for Fedora too...)
2025-04-10 19:09:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya, looking at it, it doesn't say anything about what version.
2025-04-10 19:09:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> And the %if statements need to be fixed, cuz right now, if you try to build it on anything but Fedora and ELN, it errors out.
2025-04-10 19:12:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But we (Alt Images) need to do some more tweaking to our kiwi-descriptions to bring them closer to Fedora's.  Although I've got a local build of wsl-setup, we're not getting our name set, for the image name.   So that users don't have to do wsl --install --name=CentOS --file ...
2025-04-10 19:12:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I thought we were very close, but diving down I already found one difference, and I need to track down whatever else is different.
2025-04-10 19:13:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, I feel it's just a matter of time, we'll get there.
2025-04-10 19:14:12 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I also would like to have a conversation with the WSL folks at Microsoft as some of the design choices are less than ideal
2025-04-10 19:14:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If you know who to talk to, that would be great.
2025-04-10 19:14:42 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I wish I did 😅
2025-04-10 19:15:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It would also be nice to figure out how to get Kiwi to output the tarballs with a .wsl postfix
2025-04-10 19:16:08 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Would Jim Perrin know someone on the MS team?
2025-04-10 19:16:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> That's very easy.
2025-04-10 19:16:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Or maybe Jack ... the new guy on the CentOS Board.
2025-04-10 19:16:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> It is possible to override the file extension for a generated artifact.
2025-04-10 19:17:06 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> because it's possible to override the whole filename :)
2025-04-10 19:17:11 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh yeah!
2025-04-10 19:17:18 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh is .wsl just another archive underneath?
2025-04-10 19:17:23 <@salimma:fedora.im> just like .crate is a .zip
2025-04-10 19:17:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's just a tarball yes
2025-04-10 19:17:31 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> pot
2025-04-10 19:17:36 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> plain ol tar
2025-04-10 19:17:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> it's amusing that they actually use tarballs and it's a windows thing
2025-04-10 19:17:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's old .wsl which is appx, and new .wsl which is tarball
2025-04-10 19:17:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Correct, you just move *.tar.gz to *.wsl
2025-04-10 19:17:47 <@salimma:fedora.im> and rust folks use zip
2025-04-10 19:18:02 <@salimma:fedora.im> eew appx
2025-04-10 19:18:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's a ticket about teaching kiwi about new-style wsl archives
2025-04-10 19:18:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/OSInside/kiwi/issues/2678
2025-04-10 19:18:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but that's just really syntax sugar
2025-04-10 19:18:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we didn't do it for F42 because frankly I forgot to fix it in the pungi config
2025-04-10 19:19:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but we can fix it for F43 so it gets categorized as a WSL artifact
2025-04-10 19:19:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2025-04-10 19:20:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> After I get the name thing going, changing the suffix is next on the list.  As long as I know it's possible, and it's also getting worked on, then that should make it easier.
2025-04-10 19:20:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's basically telling kiwi a different bundle filename format for WSL
2025-04-10 19:21:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll add the logic to fedora-kiwi-descriptions and pungi-fedora when I get a breath
2025-04-10 19:21:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on to the other issues.
2025-04-10 19:22:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I didn't get any progress done on RAW images - https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/4
2025-04-10 19:22:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, not much to say there.
2025-04-10 19:23:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Do we know if the RHEL kernel turned on DeviceTree support for ARM?
2025-04-10 19:23:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte: Were you able to do anything with persistant images? https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issue/3
2025-04-10 19:23:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I haven't checked at all.
2025-04-10 19:24:01 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> No sir I was not.  But it looks like some amount of progress was made dracut side
2025-04-10 19:24:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I haven't checked at all.  I assume, no, because they don't want to support that, but maybe they do.
2025-04-10 19:24:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not much really
2025-04-10 19:24:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> because I haven't had any time because of GCC 15 :(
2025-04-10 19:24:31 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Just not certain if that PR made it into a tagged release yet
2025-04-10 19:24:40 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ah
2025-04-10 19:24:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that PR is part of dracut-106
2025-04-10 19:25:00 <@salimma:fedora.im> this has been the cycle from hell
2025-04-10 19:25:20 <@salimma:fedora.im> last spring was bad enough but I'm pretty sure I tackled most of my FTBFSes before final freeze back then
2025-04-10 19:25:21 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> 106?? oh
2025-04-10 19:25:35 <@salimma:fedora.im> this time... nope, if it's not critical I'm sorry, too many weird outages to debug
2025-04-10 19:27:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> As cool and neat as persistant storage is, getting the main things working again (GCC 15) takes priority ... so not a problem if it hasn't been updated.
2025-04-10 19:27:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on ..
2025-04-10 19:27:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2025-04-10 19:28:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've gotten this quarters Live images updated, tested, fixed, built again, and published.
2025-04-10 19:28:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I've got a pull request to get the links updated on the centos.org site - https://git.centos.org/centos/centos.org/pull-request/265
2025-04-10 19:29:32 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> awesome
2025-04-10 19:29:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I had a fun surprise when testing that on CS10 the login screen was all white (white background, white text)
2025-04-10 19:29:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> got to multitask with another meeting, but I'll keep an eye on this
2025-04-10 19:30:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> After digging through way too much code, it was do to the png -> jxl transformation, and although the package was fixed in EPEL10, it never went to bodhi update.
2025-04-10 19:31:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It actually would have been shorter time if it wasn't fixed ... it's frustrating going through code that is actually fixed, looking for the flaw. :)
2025-04-10 19:32:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The CS10 KDE version has plasma 6.3.4.
2025-04-10 19:32:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's all I have for news.
2025-04-10 19:32:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-04-10 19:33:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
2025-04-10 19:33:41 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Nothing from me.  Just wish I had more free time lol
2025-04-10 19:35:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well, I'm fine having a shorter meeting.
2025-04-10 19:36:21 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I know time is short with all sorts of things happening in other places, so I do appreciate all you do for Alt Images.
2025-04-10 19:36:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to you next month, and quite possibly sooner.
2025-04-10 19:36:46 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> bye Troy
2025-04-10 19:36:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting