#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:18

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-05-08)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:19

Meeting started at 2025-05-08 19:00:18 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:19

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-05-08)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:24

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:24

!meetingname AltImages

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:25

The Meeting Name is now AltImages

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:00:43

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:00:45

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:57

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:03

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:03

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:08

uh oh we have ELN and Alt Images today?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:16

Hi Michel Lind UTC-6

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:28

Correct, but ELN is starting 30 minutes later.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:47

So we'll need to get through our things in 30 minutes ... which we usually can.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:08

I'm going to start a bit earlier than I usually do, and go straight through our news. But I also know that Conan Kudo has something he wanted to discuss/talk about.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:03:22

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:23

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:24

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:28

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:03:33

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:03:34

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:03:35

I'm triple booked haha!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:41

Hi Conan Kudo

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:10

So last quarters updates came a little latter in the month than usual, but it came with several upsides.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:48

The WSL images can now be installed using just the ws; --file-from option.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:27

They also have a logo, and a nice side benefit of that is you get CentOS-Stream-10, with the centos logo, in the start menu.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:06

We still have some kiwi items to finish before we are able to do the click and install option, but we're close.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:55

Also the CentOS Stream 10 Live images have all the selinux-policy packages installed by default, regular, and the -epel ones. So people who use and install from them don't have to worry about the selinux policies.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:41

Oh, and kinifocenter is now in the KDE Live image.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:53

I think that's pretty much all I had for news.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:42

Conan Kudo: You said you had something you wanted to discuss / talk about...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:08:51

yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:09:04

so the thing I've been working on for some time now is released!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:09:09

!info The tooling for CentOS Hyperscale composes (Kurchu) has been open sourced and released!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:09:13

!link https://blog.centos.org/2025/05/introducing-kurchu-for-centos-sig-content-collections/

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:09:25

neil gave a cookie to ngompa. They now have 174 cookies, 8 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:35

Oh ... cool.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:09:57

I was commissioned to produce this tooling for CentOS Hyperscale, but I also kept the Alternative Images SIG in mind too. It can be used to orchestrate image builds with CBS pretty easily.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:00

Oh yeah I read about this last night on Linked in

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:10:47

same. looks really awesome, Neal! Great job

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:55

The blog post has most of the details, but I think it would be compelling for the Alt Images SIG to adopt.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:04

Sorry for being silent, I'm reading through the blog.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:12:57

we're definitely looking forward to using it at work

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:04

Very nice ... but I'm going to have to read it in more detail at a later time.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:14:48

As you know, I'll be around to answer questions if you'd like, but I wanted to bring it up here so we can consider using it.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:14:51

Yeah, I could use this at my $dayjob

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:13

for Alt Images, you really only need the compile step, and you'd omit the gather and furnish ones

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:15:30

how might one support your work, Neal?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:15:45

github sponsorship ;)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:46

GitHub Sponsors is the way to go for individuals supporting what I do

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:52

Thanks, you answered the question I was trying to formulate ... how would we (Alt Images) use it.

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

19:15:53

Excellent. Thanks 🙂

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:07

!info If people like Neal's work, consider sponsoring him on GitHub Sponsors

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:16

!link https://github.com/sponsors/Conan-Kudo

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:04

Troy Dawson: I deliberately designed kurchu such that you can use any step individually without the rest

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:17:19

Cool

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:27

mostly because I found out with Hyperscale composes that running everything in series and forcing them to be dependent makes a compose run 20 hours

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:58

It's like 12 hours to gather everything

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:05

then a couple of hours for image builds

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:14

then it takes several hours to publish everything

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:24

It doesn't have to be in this meeting, but I like the composes directory - https://hyperscale.sig.centos.org/composes/ ... I'm going to have to ask how you did it that way.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:33

look at the code :P

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:44

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:53

the hyperscale configs are here: https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/releng/kurchu-configs

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:58

Will do.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:19:17

and the code for kurchu is here: https://gitlab.com/VelocityLimitless/Projects/kurchu

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:20:02

thank you for using toml :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:03

it's also in Fedora already and just needs a little karma for EPEL 10

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:36

!info Kurchu packages are pending karma to land in EPEL 10

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:38

!link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?search=&packages=kurchu&status=pending&status=testing

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:21:52

So that's it :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:58

Thank you Conan Kudo for all of that.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:17

I'm going to try to end early so we can go to the ELN meeting ... but does anyone have anything else before we wrap up?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:22:30

nope

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:49

!topic Open Floor

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:22:49

nothing from me

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:22:59

yess no yaml or json please

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:38

Then I'm going to close early, and give us 5 minutes to make it over to the ELN meeting.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:23:54

Thanks Troy!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:09

Thank you all for coming. And thank you all, especially you Conan Kudo , for all the work you do.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:24:11

considering I hate both of them too, it's a given

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:24:25

bson

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:24:26

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:24:30

oof no

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:39

!endmeeting