2025-05-08 19:00:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-05-08)
2025-05-08 19:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-05-08 19:00:18 UTC
2025-05-08 19:00:19 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-05-08)'
2025-05-08 19:00:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-05-08 19:00:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2025-05-08 19:00:25 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2025-05-08 19:00:43 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-05-08 19:00:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-05-08 19:00:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2025-05-08 19:01:03 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-08 19:01:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-05-08 19:01:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> uh oh we have ELN and Alt Images today?
2025-05-08 19:01:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Michel Lind UTC-6 
2025-05-08 19:01:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Correct, but ELN is starting 30 minutes later.
2025-05-08 19:01:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So we'll need to get through our things in 30 minutes ... which we usually can.
2025-05-08 19:03:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to start a bit earlier than I usually do, and go straight through our news.  But I also know that Conan Kudo has something he wanted to discuss/talk about.
2025-05-08 19:03:22 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-05-08 19:03:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-05-08 19:03:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2025-05-08 19:03:28 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2025-05-08 19:03:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-05-08 19:03:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-05-08 19:03:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm triple booked haha!
2025-05-08 19:03:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-05-08 19:04:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So last quarters updates came a little latter in the month than usual, but it came with several upsides.
2025-05-08 19:04:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> The WSL images can now be installed using just the ws; --file-from option.
2025-05-08 19:05:27 <@tdawson:fedora.im> They also have a logo, and a nice side benefit of that is you get CentOS-Stream-10, with the centos logo, in the start menu.
2025-05-08 19:06:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We still have some kiwi items to finish before we are able to do the click and install option, but we're close.
2025-05-08 19:06:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Also the CentOS Stream 10 Live images have all the selinux-policy packages installed by default, regular, and the -epel ones.   So people who use and install from them don't have to worry about the selinux policies.
2025-05-08 19:07:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh, and kinifocenter is now in the KDE Live image.
2025-05-08 19:07:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think that's pretty much all I had for news.
2025-05-08 19:08:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: You said you had something you wanted to discuss / talk about...
2025-05-08 19:08:51 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-05-08 19:09:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so the thing I've been working on for some time now is released!
2025-05-08 19:09:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info The tooling for CentOS Hyperscale composes (Kurchu) has been open sourced and released!
2025-05-08 19:09:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://blog.centos.org/2025/05/introducing-kurchu-for-centos-sig-content-collections/
2025-05-08 19:09:25 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil gave a cookie to ngompa. They now have 174 cookies, 8 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-05-08 19:09:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... cool.
2025-05-08 19:09:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I was commissioned to produce this tooling for CentOS Hyperscale, but I also kept the Alternative Images SIG in mind too. It can be used to orchestrate image builds with CBS pretty easily.
2025-05-08 19:10:00 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Oh yeah I read about this last night on Linked in
2025-05-08 19:10:47 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> same. looks really awesome, Neal! Great job
2025-05-08 19:10:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> The blog post has most of the details, but I think it would be compelling for the Alt Images SIG to adopt.
2025-05-08 19:12:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry for being silent, I'm reading through the blog.
2025-05-08 19:12:57 <@salimma:fedora.im> we're definitely looking forward to using it at work
2025-05-08 19:13:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Very nice ... but I'm going to have to read it in more detail at a later time.
2025-05-08 19:14:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> As you know, I'll be around to answer questions if you'd like, but I wanted to bring it up here so we can consider using it.
2025-05-08 19:14:51 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Yeah, I could use this at my $dayjob
2025-05-08 19:15:13 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for Alt Images, you really only need the compile step, and you'd omit the gather and furnish ones
2025-05-08 19:15:30 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> how might one support your work, Neal?
2025-05-08 19:15:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> github sponsorship ;)
2025-05-08 19:15:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> GitHub Sponsors is the way to go for individuals supporting what I do
2025-05-08 19:15:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thanks, you answered the question I was trying to formulate ... how would we (Alt Images) use it.
2025-05-08 19:15:53 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Excellent. Thanks 🙂
2025-05-08 19:16:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info If people like Neal's work, consider sponsoring him on GitHub Sponsors
2025-05-08 19:16:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/sponsors/Conan-Kudo
2025-05-08 19:17:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Troy Dawson: I deliberately designed kurchu such that you can use any step individually without the rest
2025-05-08 19:17:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2025-05-08 19:17:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> mostly because I found out with Hyperscale composes that running everything in series and forcing them to be dependent makes a compose run 20 hours
2025-05-08 19:17:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> It's like 12 hours to gather everything
2025-05-08 19:18:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then a couple of hours for image builds
2025-05-08 19:18:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> then it takes several hours to publish everything
2025-05-08 19:18:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It doesn't have to be in this meeting, but I like the composes directory - https://hyperscale.sig.centos.org/composes/ ... I'm going to have to ask how you did it that way.
2025-05-08 19:18:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> look at the code :P
2025-05-08 19:18:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> :)
2025-05-08 19:18:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the hyperscale configs are here: https://gitlab.com/CentOS/Hyperscale/releng/kurchu-configs
2025-05-08 19:18:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Will do.
2025-05-08 19:19:17 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and the code for kurchu is here: https://gitlab.com/VelocityLimitless/Projects/kurchu
2025-05-08 19:20:02 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> thank you for using toml :) 
2025-05-08 19:20:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it's also in Fedora already and just needs a little karma for EPEL 10
2025-05-08 19:20:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !info Kurchu packages are pending karma to land in EPEL 10
2025-05-08 19:20:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?search=&packages=kurchu&status=pending&status=testing
2025-05-08 19:21:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> So that's it :)
2025-05-08 19:21:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you Conan Kudo for all of that.
2025-05-08 19:22:17 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm going to try to end early so we can go to the ELN meeting ... but does anyone have anything else before we wrap up?
2025-05-08 19:22:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nope
2025-05-08 19:22:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-05-08 19:22:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> nothing from me
2025-05-08 19:22:59 <@salimma:fedora.im> yess no yaml or json please
2025-05-08 19:23:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to close early, and give us 5 minutes to make it over to the ELN meeting.
2025-05-08 19:23:54 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thanks Troy!
2025-05-08 19:24:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming.  And thank you all, especially you Conan Kudo , for all the work you do.
2025-05-08 19:24:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> considering I hate both of them too, it's a given
2025-05-08 19:24:25 <@salimma:fedora.im> bson
2025-05-08 19:24:26 <@salimma:fedora.im> :P
2025-05-08 19:24:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof no
2025-05-08 19:24:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting