#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:29

!startmeeting EPEL (2025-05-14)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:30

Meeting started at 2025-05-28 18:00:29 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:30

The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-05-14)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:34

!meetingname epel

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:34

!topic aloha

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:35

The Meeting Name is now epel

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:00:40

morning

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:00:50

Morning nirik

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:00:52

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:00:54

Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:00:59

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:01

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:13

Hi Diego Herrera and Robby Callicotte

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:01:15

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:16

Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:01:39

Hi Carl George

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:01:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:46

Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:01:54

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:01:55

Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:02:11

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:12

Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:02:49

Hi Neil Hanlon Jonathan Wright and Michel Lind UTC-6

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:03:06

we should start inviting Robby here :P

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:03:36

Robby beat you by several minutes. ;)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:04:19

oh doh

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:04:29

well this is a good start then :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:04:37

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:01

!topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:01

!link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:18

We have two open items, but they are both the same ones as last week.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:34

I'll pick the oldest one first this week.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:05:40

i can summarize the progress on the selinux one

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:47

!epel 328

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:48

**epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:48

● **Assignee:** Not Assigned

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:48

● **Last Updated:** 16 hours ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:48

● **Opened:** a month ago by ngompa

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:05:48

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:05:54

Carl George: Go for it.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:06:26

we now have selinux-policy-extra subpackages, built from the main spec file

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:06:45

the latest build has it, and is in the current compose, but he new subpackages aren't included in the compose yet

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:02

i've got a pr open to add those, it might need some adjustments but it's on the way

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:07:50

Sorry, I'll stop emoji'ing everything. That sounds like good progress.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:07:55

after that we should verify but i think we'll be good to go on these getting installed by default. eventually we should switch the epel-release recommends from -epel to -extra, but there is a provides so it will keep working as-is for now.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:08:01

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:08:03

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:08:16

Hi Conan Kudo

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:19

i'll also note that as far as i can tell this is only happening for 10.1, and 10.0 is SOL

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:08:24

can we make sure the main package does not get pushed out until the new subpackages are in?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:08:29

or it does not matter anyway

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:08:54

i don't think it matters, as the removals have already happened

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:09:52

i've got a note to follow up on this in six months after rhel 10.1 is released to make sure it works as expected everywhere

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:10:23

i think that covers everything, unless there are any more questions

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:36

Sounds good. Thank you for staying on top of this.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:10:45

Any other questions before we move on?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:11:03

Should we close the ticket? or keep it for tracking?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:11:16

i think open for tracking, but drop the meeting tag

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:11:47

there is probably a bug that needs to be fixed in the new packages with scriptlets

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:11:51

but other than that it should be okay

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:12:08

I just merged and released builds for selinux-policy-epel so image builds don't fail anymore

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:12:16

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:12:17

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:12:22

this will need to be ported to selinux-policy-extra

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:47

Thank you Conan Kudo

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:12:58

Hi Davide Cavalca

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:11

I think with that, I'm going to move on to the next issue.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:17

!epel 330

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:13:41

Maybe

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:02

!epel 330

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:03

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:03

● **Last Updated:** a day ago

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:03

● **Assignee:** ngompa

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:03

● **Opened:** 3 weeks ago by carlwgeorge

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:14:03

**epel #330** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/330):**switch EPEL 10 to zstd repodata**

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:14:34

I'm pretty sure this was implemented last time ... do we need to talk about this still?

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:42

can close I guess?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:14:43

we should probably discuss the aftermath

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:14:45

nah, we're basically done

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:14:55

cern was broken too. ;)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:15:21

Ouch ... CBS and CERN ... all the C's :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:15:28

at least the fix is easy

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:15:58

in hindsight, we definitely should have waited until the necessary createrepo_c was live in rhel 9, not just centos 9

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:16:06

perhaps

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:16:14

or provide an alternative createrepo package in epel with it

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:16:19

one of the two

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:16:35

that would have been so much more work that just waiting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:16:49

when we talked about he mergerepo thing i didn't realize it affected koji, i was just thinking of the "mirror that keeps old packages" use case

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:16:58

likewise

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:17:14

or rather I thought of the "flitered repo" case which is rare in itself

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:17:22

the orig repo/issue was a koji instance.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:17:35

yep

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:17:36

(when fedora switched)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:17:57

to clarify, what i meant by "affected koji" was "epel as an external repo in koji"

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:18:16

anyhow, it's done...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:20

Yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:18:34

So ... we're ok closing this?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:18:47

fabian was definitely correct in the centos-infra issue that we should have announced the switch as well

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:19:03

yeah this is all retrospective, live and learn observations

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:32

OK, moving on.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:19:35

no other action necessary afaict, should be good to close and move on

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:19:44

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:04

One old business I want to bring up, is actually new business .... elections.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:20:48

It's technically not official yet, because the elections are still happening, but it's semi-official ... that we have our 3 new elected committee members.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:05

!link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f42-elections-voting-is-now-open/

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:21:27

congratulations Robby Callicotte 👏

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

Neal Gompa (ngompa)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

The candidates for election equal the number of open seats, so by default, the following candidates will be elected to the EPEL Steering Committee on June 2, 2025. We will not hold a ballot box for this election.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:21:43

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:21:57

Congrats 🙂

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:22:03

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:14

Congratulations Davide Cavalca Conan Kudo and Robby Callicotte

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:22:28

Welcome Robby Callicotte and welcome back Conan Kudo and Davide Cavalca

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:22:31

and of course, thank you for your service Michel Lind UTC-6

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:22:35

Thanks everybody!

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:22:40

thanks!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:22:48

Yes, thank you very much Michel Lind UTC-6

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:22:49

Thank you for your service Michel Lind UTC-6

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:22:52

congrats Robby Callicotte , I'm sure you'll do a good job

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:23:08

yeah I wanted to bring this up -- we don't have a real election since there are exactly the same number of candidates as open seats :)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:23:36

it's been a pleasure to serve, and I'll still see y'all around, but I feel like I need to reduce my time commitment since I also have to co-chair a CentOS SIG now

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:24:49

Do we have any other Old Business?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:25:28

i saw semantic_version got retired, thanks for that

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:25:46

did you have to do that manually or did the automation get fixed up?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:25:59

Oh, ya. I retired several packages yesterday, and cleaned up the EPEL2RHEL tacking bug.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:26:14

It was manual.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:26:40

It's also a little different now that we have epel10.0 and epel10.1 ... but not too tricky, just have to double check things.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:27:26

There was also two packages that I took off the EPEL2RHEL bug, because they were never released for 2 RHEL releases ... plus I saw internal tracking that showed they weren't being put in.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:28:35

do you think we'll get it correctly automated in the future? or just keep it manual every six months?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:28:46

I haven't cleaned up the epel9-next stuff yet ... cuz the vast majority of that is my packages and I haven't had time to rebuild them in epel9 yet.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:10

I personally haven't had time to do any automation for it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:29:39

It's not that big of a chore doign it manually every six months. But if someone were to write some automation, I wouldn't say no to it.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:29:41

oh i misunderstood then, i thought we had it automated and it broke with epel10

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:30:40

No ... we just say it's automated in the bug ... because it was the plan when we were implementing it.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:31:00

hehe, so my misunderstanding is based on that then 😀

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:31:34

That wording does keep people from messing with the packages though.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:31:34

maybe that's something the epel cle team can take on, i'll schedule a meeting so we can go over where all the moving pieces are

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:31:51

That sounds great.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:32:08

i hear Diego Herrera likes automation

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:32:32

Sounds like a volunteer. :)

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:32:47

happy to help with it ÑD

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:33:01

happy to help with it :D

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:18

Diego Herrera: Thanks .... contact me after the meeting and I can go over some details.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:33:40

Is there anything else before we move to Open Floor?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:35

i guess this counts as old business, in case anyone missed it https://fosstodon.org/@carlwgeorge/114540956305441322

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:34:52

the day of the rhel 10 launch epel 10 was up over 17k packages

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:36:05

and importantly, working KDE on day zero

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:37:04

i think that's it for old biz, let's do open floor (i've got two things)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:37:46

!topic Old Business

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:00

Carl George: go for it.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:38:13

I've got one thing, incase you aren't coving mine.

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:38:35

2nd old business?

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:17

the epel cle team (me and Diego Herrera) are trialing an agile workflow in https://codeberg.org/fedora/epel/issues

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:39:25

!topic General Issues / Open Floor

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:45

!link https://codeberg.org/fedora/epel/issues

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:39:58

codeberg!

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:39:59

we intend to migrate that over to the fedora forgejo instance in the future (repo name tbd)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:40:34

if anyone is curious about the work we have ongoing, especially around our milestones like rhel releases and mass branching, that's the place to go

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:41:11

we're new at the agile stuff, and figuring it out as we go, so if anything doesn't make sense feel free to ask

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:41:25

cool

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:42:01

i'll also note the due dates for the milestones are very approximate, and should not be interpreted as any kind of commitment on the rhel side

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:42:01

Could we get that somewhere on the EPEL pages, even if it's hidden somewhere, so I can find it if I don't have my bookmarks.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:42:05

the project board looks quite nice

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:42:30

really we just have the due dates to sort the milestones appropriately

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:42:32

how hard is it to clone it for the next sprint? since e.g. I assume you want to carry over your backlog

<@dherrera:fedora.im>

18:42:49

mostly manual

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:43:16

i would prefer to not add that until we migrate to the fedora forgejo instance tbh

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:43:31

The EPEL x86_64_v2 rebuild for stream/kitten is out/live/published/announced. Rebuild is ongoing for 10.0. Have had a surprising amount of interest in 10 v2 stuff. No confusion (so far).

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:43:47

OK. I've got it bookmarked ... and I'm fine with waiting.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:44:28

there are kinda multiple backlogs. everything not in a sprint (a forgejo project board) is the real backlog, then each sprint has a backlog column for things we haven't labeled for gain/trouble yet.

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:45:09

I've noticed a few areas that we can further improve separation/clarity if it becomes an issue. Our repo file is still just `epel.repo` and the repo name within it is just `epel` and that can be changed if these cause problems.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:45:38

can we put a pin in the alma epel thing until i'm done

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:45:47

Jonathan Wright: Does your epel rebuild deal with side-tags? Because nowdays that's how I'm building KDE, a massive side tag.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:46:01

Yep, pin pokes.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:46:10

Yep, pin poked.

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:46:28

Honestly I'm not totally sure, but I can only assume so because things that totally wouldn't build without a side-tag have been fine.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:46:36

that's it for the codeberg thing, happy to talk about more details in the channel after the meeting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:46:42

the other thing i had was rhel extensions

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:46:54

ah, the EPEL rebuild thing?

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:46:59

Carl George: was also wondering about this, so I'll get some clarification on it from the build/release team.

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:47:06

Carl George: was also wondering about this too, so I'll get some clarification on it from the build/release team.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:47:26

!link https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/unleashing-innovation-rhel-extensions-repository

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:48:37

as described to me, this should primarily be "rebuilt and resigned subset of epel packages that rhel customers want from a vendor instead of a community repo"

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:48:53

so basically, if you are happy enabling epel, you can completely ignore it

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:49:27

that said, the first two packages are htop and podman-desktop, and the latter is not yet in fedora or epel, so there will be exceptions

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:49:38

if someone turns it on *and* EPEL what would happen?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:49:47

they should not, but I bet someone would

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:49:50

then you have two repos, highest nvr wins

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:49:59

presumably then they're out of support, and the EPEL packages are likely newer so... things should work?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:50:15

this mgiht be when they should enable vendor pinning

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:50:34

enabling epel doesn't invalidate support, you just don't get support for packages from epel. extensions packages are also unsupported.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:50:36

extensions seems more for highly regulated shops... you woulndt be able to enable epel anyway if the requirement is extensions

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:50:37

though then we might get spurious issues in EPEL if some packages become uninstallable because it needs dependencies to be upgraded and they're pinned

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:51:15

it's probably a very minor corner case and we should not worry about it anyway :)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:51:33

i hammered on the pm pretty hard about the importance of this not diverging from epel, i.e. getting ahead of or lagging far behind

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:51:52

this could also be an avenue for some crb runtime deps to move to appstream

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:52:06

I think this is going to cause some confusion for RHEL customers that are also EPEL users, especially if/when/as things conflict, but it's not an issue for the EPEL community at large.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:52:07

best case scenario is this gets more hatters involved in epel maintenance

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:52:28

But yeah this could be the upside.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:52:29

So we might see PRs from some RH folks is all?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:52:34

oh getting ahead would be bad

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:52:36

basically yeah

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:52:49

falling behind not so much... but yeah if they make changes ahead of EPEL I sure hope they contribute back

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:52:58

this is for rhel customers who complain that they can't use epel

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:53:01

I wouldn't think there would be users using both... at least not if they know what each is.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:53:30

this might be related, at Summit last week Davide Cavalca had an idea to have a dnf plugin that will help you file a bug for a package

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:53:39

Oh true, so I guess it should be a relatively small bit of confusion. Again, not really our problem as EPEL. We should only see benefit from it in the form of contributions hopefully.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:53:56

probably does not need to be a DNF plugin, since there's also flatpak etc to consider - but anyway, identify where a binary artifact come from and point users to the right place to file bugs based on metadata

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:53:58

since there will be packages that are only available in there but not epel, I think it'll happen

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:54:07

that's all i had, so the floor is open again if Jonathan Wright wants to talk about the alma epel v2 thing

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:54:14

as of now I know of only one (podman-desktop)

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:54:22

Nah I said all I had. More of just an FYI that it's out there in the wild now.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:54:24

I do have one quick thing.

<@nirik:matrix.scrye.com>

18:54:28

sure, that could happen...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:54:33

but at Summit I was told it's not an epel-only thing

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:54:38

Are we ok not haveing our meeting next week due to Flock?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:55:00

yeah

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:55:01

We can just party in person and drink and meet. This meeting time should line up with dinner time in EU right?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:55:06

yup

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:55:14

we'll get plastered instead

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:55:14

the next week is devconf.cz

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:55:18

do we want to skip both?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:55:24

enjoy flock, folks.

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:55:36

Good point. Should we skip 2?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:55:39

No, the next week is in between Flock and devconf ... but I wont' be available for that either.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:55:56

I would be around but I would prefer to cancel anyway

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:55:59

oh right technically devconf starts on the 12th

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:56:12

i'm ok with a double skip

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:56:23

and Davide Cavalca and I will be working out of London at the next next next meeting

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:56:32

I'm good with a double skip as well.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:56:34

(though I won't matter anymore at that time ;p)

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

18:56:46

+1 for double-skip

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:56:46

If we skip actual devconf it'd be a triple-skip I guess?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:57:10

double - flock and devconf

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

18:57:15

I'll be around for the week after devconf.cz, but not the week after that since I'll be at openSUSE Conference

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:57:20

no just double, skip on june 4th and 11th, meet again on the 18th

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:57:27

devconf is just a few days starting Thu

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:57:57

Ahh, I'm doing flock but not devconf so I was mis-remembering the schedule

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:58:04

So if anyone is traveling to devconf, they will be traveling on wedensday ... ok, sounds like a double skip.

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:58:08

we don't seem to have a conflict the week after, though it's 7-8 pm in London so tbh I suspect you won't see me and Davide on the 18th

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:58:14

lets start over with how many people are actually going to be unavailable each date

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:58:28

I've got to close this meeting on time today .... Jonathan Wright are you ok bringin your stuff over to the EPEL channel?

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:58:35

dial in from a bar and show us the good time you're having 😉

<@jonathanspw:fedora.im>

18:58:38

I was done :)

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:58:38

if over half the steering committee is out then it should be a skip, but if we have more than half we could keep the meeting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

18:59:03

i'll miss the 4th, but will be available on the 11th

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:59:08

I'm gone for both days (4 and 11)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:59:17

you know how piss poor reception is in London right? ;)

<@nhanlon:beeper.com>

18:59:28

(oh do I ...)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

18:59:32

it's good for disconnecting but public wifi does not seem a thing and reception indoors tend to be ... super bad

<@davide:cavalca.name>

18:59:39

Yeah realistically we will miss this one

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:00:05

I'm gone on the 4th, 11th, and the 25th, but it's also likely I'll be gone on the 18th too

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:29

Sorry, I'm not on a different call ... what was the consensus?

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:34

don't we hate conference travel season

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:52

so I count that we're down 1-2 people on the 18th (Davide, maybe Neal)

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:01:59

Neal is out on the 25th, nobody else said they are

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:02:07

sounds to me like far too many of us are unavailable on the 4th so that's an easy skip

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:02:16

yeah I assume we're skipping 4th and 11th

<@salimma:fedora.im>

19:02:43

that's 8-9 pm in Brno so even though devconf has not started, anyone going to devconf will be there already

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:02:59

i think we're only missing davide and neal (of committee members) on the 11th, so we could in theory still have that meeting

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:04:02

oh and troy too

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:04:12

(re-reading all the messages)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:09

So, sounds like we're just going to skip next week, and then someone else can host on the 11th.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:05:17

i got it

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:42

Sounds good.

<@carlwgeorge:fedora.im>

19:05:45

4/7 members could go either way, keep it or skip, but if we keep it i can run it since troy is out

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:12

Let's keep it on the 11th.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:18

And with that, I'm going to close the meeting. Thank you all for all your discussions and all the work you do for EPEL and the EPEL community.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:39

!endmeeting