2025-06-11 18:00:15 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL Steering Committee
2025-06-11 18:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-06-11 18:00:15 UTC
2025-06-11 18:00:16 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL Steering Committee'
2025-06-11 18:00:21 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !topic howdy
2025-06-11 18:00:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-06-11 18:00:27 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-11 18:00:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-06-11 18:00:28 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-06-11 18:01:01 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-11 18:01:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-06-11 18:02:09 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i know troy won't be here (hence me running the meeting) but there should be a few more that can make it
2025-06-11 18:02:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Is everybody at devconf?
2025-06-11 18:03:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> among esc members, should just be davide and neal
2025-06-11 18:04:03 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we'll give it a few more minutes before kicking things off, but likely to be a short meeting either way
2025-06-11 18:06:50 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i expect kevin and jonathan will be able to make it, but they're probably just putting out fires somewhere and will join in a bit
2025-06-11 18:07:10 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !topic EPEL issues
2025-06-11 18:07:23 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-06-11 18:07:33 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> just one tagged for the meeting
2025-06-11 18:07:39 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !epel 333
2025-06-11 18:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-06-11 18:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-06-11 18:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** a week ago
2025-06-11 18:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by churchyard
2025-06-11 18:07:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #333** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/333):**Do not encourage packagers to request EPEL packages on behalf of the Python Packagers SIG**
2025-06-11 18:08:12 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Catching up...
2025-06-11 18:09:09 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> basically it continues to be a problem that people request epel branches via sig permissions and then later don't respond to bugs for the packages they built and published
2025-06-11 18:09:20 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> so the epel-packagers-sig problem, but for other sigs as well
2025-06-11 18:09:25 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ah
2025-06-11 18:10:04 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> but then shouldn't that be documented via other sig?
2025-06-11 18:10:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> right, that's where the comments ended up essentially
2025-06-11 18:10:21 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> each sig maintain their own policy etc
2025-06-11 18:11:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i doubt any sigs actually have this documented, but i think it makes sense to just drop the sig section and encourage (not require) packagers to be direct maintainers (or collaborators) of packages
2025-06-11 18:12:07 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> that sounds reasonable to me
2025-06-11 18:12:28 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> yeah that sounds reasonable
2025-06-11 18:12:50 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm reading it as "leave it up to sigs to communicate among themselves if they allow that or not"
2025-06-11 18:13:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i can throw up a pr for that, and hopefully michel can ack it async while at devconf
2025-06-11 18:13:48 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> any other open issues that we forgot to tag for the meeting?
2025-06-11 18:15:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !topic old business
2025-06-11 18:15:57 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !epel 328
2025-06-11 18:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #328** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/328):**Figure out getting selinux-policy-epel autoinstalled**
2025-06-11 18:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-06-11 18:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 2 weeks ago
2025-06-11 18:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 2 months ago by ngompa
2025-06-11 18:15:58 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-06-11 18:16:56 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> some progress on this one, my pungi pr was merged, so i expect composes going forward will include the new subpackages, and it will probably be on the mirrors by next tuesday
2025-06-11 18:17:04 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/release-engineering/pungi-centos/-/merge_requests/1000
2025-06-11 18:18:03 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> once it's live we can actually verify things work, and close the issue out.  eventually we'll want to fixup epel-release to use the actual package names instead of the provides of the old names, but that's minor cleanup work.
2025-06-11 18:19:05 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> worth noting that as far as i can tell the new selinux-policy subpackages are 10.1 only, so i expect there will be a few bug reports for things not working in 10.0.  nothing we can do there, as we can't force the rhel maintainer to backport the change to 10.0.
2025-06-11 18:21:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if you see bug reports for your epel packages, best you can do is ask the submitter to file a support case with red hat, maybe if it's disruptive enough there will be enough cases to justify the work
2025-06-11 18:21:51 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thats possible. 
2025-06-11 18:22:36 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> worst case would be users rolling their own fix in copr maybe?
2025-06-11 18:23:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> honestly my workaround would be manually downloading the new subpackages out of centos repos and install them one-off, then distro-sync after rhel 10.1 comes out
2025-06-11 18:24:00 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> iirc they're noarch and should be fairly independent and work, but i haven't tested this
2025-06-11 18:24:00 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh thats much simpler lol
2025-06-11 18:24:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> anything else for old business?
2025-06-11 18:26:44 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2025-06-11 18:27:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i had one very small thing, but i was hoping nirik would be here to action it (only him and troy can)
2025-06-11 18:28:09 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I have a small thing too (hi btw :D)
2025-06-11 18:28:15 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the fedocal entry for this meeting still indicates that it takes place in #meeting:fedoraproject.org, because we never updated it after we switched to #meeting-1:fedoraproject.org (here)
2025-06-11 18:28:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm kind of heads down working on signing in new dc... but sure?
2025-06-11 18:28:39 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if you're busy it can wait, very not urgent
2025-06-11 18:28:42 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/epel/
2025-06-11 18:29:18 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it's been wrong for months, so what's another few days/weeks/months?  😀
2025-06-11 18:29:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh I see it now haha
2025-06-11 18:29:42 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm very happy to add others there?
2025-06-11 18:29:50 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> ✋️
2025-06-11 18:30:04 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> (that should be read has "hand raised", not "stop")
2025-06-11 18:30:24 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> You could add me as well if thats ok
2025-06-11 18:30:29 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh right, it's only groups...
2025-06-11 18:30:31 <@dherrera:fedora.im> 👋
2025-06-11 18:30:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> and smooge is listed as the contact. ;)
2025-06-11 18:30:58 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> do we have a group we could add there?
2025-06-11 18:31:09 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i don't believe we have an esc group
2025-06-11 18:31:31 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'm looking here https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/epel/#m10978 and i see "Meeting organized by kevin,tdawson." no smooge
2025-06-11 18:32:05 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> that would be ideal if we had a group.  how would we go about arranging that?
2025-06-11 18:32:13 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm editing in the admin interface and I see:
2025-06-11 18:32:34 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh i think i see, editing the overall calendar vs editing a meeting
2025-06-11 18:32:37 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> oh you are just talking about the meeting...
2025-06-11 18:32:54 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> right, I can add people there
2025-06-11 18:33:17 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> for now just stick me on the meeting, then we can work on a proper esc group later
2025-06-11 18:33:55 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> added folks
2025-06-11 18:34:01 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> edit away
2025-06-11 18:34:15 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> thanks, i'll get that cleaned up
2025-06-11 18:34:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> now i believe Diego Herrera had an open floor thing
2025-06-11 18:34:32 <@dherrera:fedora.im> 👍️
2025-06-11 18:35:14 <@dherrera:fedora.im> Some time ago I made some automation to make Troy's willit tool to get generated automatically
2025-06-11 18:35:14 <@dherrera:fedora.im> https://dherrerace.github.io/willit-result
2025-06-11 18:36:21 <@dherrera:fedora.im> I just wanted to mention that I updated it so that now it shows EPEL10 and EPEL10z repos
2025-06-11 18:36:21 <@dherrera:fedora.im> The EPEL10 one tracks the current minor that corresponds to Centos Stream, while the EPEL10z one tracks the minor that corresponds to the latest RHEL release minor :) 
2025-06-11 18:36:40 <@dherrera:fedora.im> that would be it from me ^^
2025-06-11 18:36:51 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> that looks cool
2025-06-11 18:37:14 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> dive in and find things to work on 😉
2025-06-11 18:38:08 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> good job Diego Herrera
2025-06-11 18:39:02 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh, one more small fyi from me, fasjson-client is now in epel10.  i know a few folks were waiting on that one.
2025-06-11 18:39:05 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2025-6e520af8a6
2025-06-11 18:39:29 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> anybody else got anything?
2025-06-11 18:43:15 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> wrapping up early then.  thanks everyone for coming to the meeting, and thanks for all your work in epel.
2025-06-11 18:43:50 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Thanks Carl George !
2025-06-11 18:43:50 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> thanks for running, carl!
2025-06-11 18:43:53 <@dherrera:fedora.im> thx Carl ^^
2025-06-11 18:44:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !endmeeting