2025-06-17 15:01:37 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !startmeeting fedora_bootc_initiative
2025-06-17 15:01:41 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-06-17 15:01:37 UTC
2025-06-17 15:01:41 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_bootc_initiative'
2025-06-17 15:01:43 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> past log, for reference https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting-1_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2025-01-28/fedora-bootc-initiative.2025-01-28-15.00.log.html
2025-06-17 15:01:45 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> (I was just scrolling back to look for it
2025-06-17 15:01:55 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2025-06-17 15:02:01 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:02 <@walters:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-06-17 15:02:03 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Colin Walters (walters)
2025-06-17 15:02:03 <@jeckersb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:03 <@rsturla:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (rsturla)
2025-06-17 15:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Eckersberg (jeckersb)
2025-06-17 15:02:05 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:09 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> !hi jasonbrooks
2025-06-17 15:02:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers
2025-06-17 15:02:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jason Brooks (jasonbrooks) - he / him / his
2025-06-17 15:02:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Robert Sturla: welcome to the None club 😎
2025-06-17 15:02:32 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-06-17 15:02:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-06-17 15:02:49 <@rsturla:fedora.im> I've tried to fix that but nothing seems to work 😆
2025-06-17 15:02:54 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> lol, if anyone wants help with setting that stuff up, feel free to ping me after the meeting
2025-06-17 15:02:57 <@jlebon:fedora.im> same here, yup
2025-06-17 15:03:03 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> all right, everyone set?
2025-06-17 15:03:19 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> what topics do we want to talk about today?
2025-06-17 15:03:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (i have one, but didn't add it to the agenda beforehand)
2025-06-17 15:04:06 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> No worries
2025-06-17 15:04:11 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I think I can add it
2025-06-17 15:04:45 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> (I also have no idea where the agenda actually lives)
2025-06-17 15:05:34 <@walters:fedora.im> Only thing I had offhand is that there were some talks from devconf.cz; hmm I think maybe this meeting would be a good place to ensure we have stuff queued for the BCTW bot
2025-06-17 15:05:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic BCTW bot queue
2025-06-17 15:06:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Go for it. And Jonathan Lebon, lmk what you want to talk about? I'll queue it up next
2025-06-17 15:07:10 <@jlebon:fedora.im> nimbinatus: updating centos-bootc
2025-06-17 15:08:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Anything for the bot queue?
2025-06-17 15:10:07 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> I've been way behind on doing this week in bootc updates, but I would typically do a google search since last update for items -- been meaning to automate that...
2025-06-17 15:10:22 <@walters:fedora.im> Hmm maybe we can wait for the official devconf.cz 2025 feeds to link the videos
2025-06-17 15:10:45 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> all right, I'll make some action items as y'all chat
2025-06-17 15:11:31 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action jbrooks search for potential BCTW (bootc this week) updates. Can outsource to nimbinatus
2025-06-17 15:12:17 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action nimbinatus watch for devconfCZ video publishing; ask Colin for which videos to post
2025-06-17 15:12:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action (someone) explore automation for BCTW bot internet search
2025-06-17 15:12:52 <@rsturla:fedora.im> It might be nice to have a section in BCTW on what's coming up next - in-development features, talks, releases etc
2025-06-17 15:12:53 <@walters:fedora.im> We have a new client release as well, and yes definitely should automate scraping the base items like that
2025-06-17 15:13:26 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !idea BCTW section on what's coming up next - in-development features, talks, releases
2025-06-17 15:13:27 <@rsturla:fedora.im> It might be nice to have a section in BCTW on what's coming up next - early preview of in-development features, talks, releases etc
2025-06-17 15:13:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Colin add new client release notes to BCTW
2025-06-17 15:14:07 <@walters:fedora.im> hmm, yes though at least some of that should probably be a link to the upstream milestone trackers and issues
2025-06-17 15:14:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> So I'm assuming this is the Discussion board? Where does the actual code live (if there is any)?
2025-06-17 15:14:51 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/tag/bootc-initiative
2025-06-17 15:16:10 <@jbrooks:matrix.org> There's an editor's room matrix room, I'll show you how it works, nimbinatus
2025-06-17 15:16:33 <@walters:fedora.im> See also https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/bctw-config
2025-06-17 15:16:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Sounds good; thanks! I can help compile that
2025-06-17 15:16:37 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2025-06-17 15:16:39 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-06-17 15:16:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> sorry I'm late 
2025-06-17 15:16:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> no worries!
2025-06-17 15:17:05 <@walters:fedora.im> I like the idea of this though I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just do PRs to a markdown file in git
2025-06-17 15:17:25 <@walters:fedora.im> anyways, I think that's it and we can move on?
2025-06-17 15:17:28 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I have a proto project site going
2025-06-17 15:17:31 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> can show later
2025-06-17 15:17:32 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> yup!
2025-06-17 15:17:41 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic updating centos-bootc
2025-06-17 15:17:53 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ok, Jonathan Lebon this is your topic :)
2025-06-17 15:18:14 <@jlebon:fedora.im> thanks :)
2025-06-17 15:19:06 <@jlebon:fedora.im> first, an update: we've now added a new container-native path for building FCOS in https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/3348
2025-06-17 15:19:27 <@jlebon:fedora.im> this means you can now build FCOS using `podman build`, which is cool. underneath this uses the from scratch imagectl flow
2025-06-17 15:19:46 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we're now working on doing this for SCOS (used by OKD) and RHCOS (used by OCP)
2025-06-17 15:20:17 <@jlebon:fedora.im> a lot of the code is already there, but it needs backporting
2025-06-17 15:20:23 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and... planning to start leveraging this flow for the F43 update: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BuildFCOSUsingContainerfile
2025-06-17 15:20:45 <@jlebon:fedora.im> notably a lot of things that landed in imagectl in the last month or so are needed
2025-06-17 15:20:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> which brings me to https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/containers/bootc/-/merge_requests/560
2025-06-17 15:21:26 <@walters:fedora.im> Yeah I just updated https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/base-images/-/merge_requests/172#note_2568492030
2025-06-17 15:21:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i don't have access unfortunately to see the konflux failures but it seems quite odd that this has been outstanding for so long
2025-06-17 15:22:26 <@walters:fedora.im> The failure is `error: Installing packages: Packages not found: python3-libdnf5` (per above)
2025-06-17 15:22:49 <@jlebon:fedora.im> gotcha ok. i can help with that yeah
2025-06-17 15:22:51 <@walters:fedora.im> I was really hoping the dnf folks would merge the single line patch but...
2025-06-17 15:23:08 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Colin Walters: are they opposed, or just haven't considered it? 
2025-06-17 15:23:33 <@walters:fedora.im> dustymabe: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dnf5/pull-request/99 for details...
2025-06-17 15:24:48 <@jlebon:fedora.im> we also need https://github.com/bootc-dev/bootc/pull/1352 in c9s/c10s/9.6/10.1
2025-06-17 15:25:33 <@walters:fedora.im> Jonathan Lebon: hmm things like that need to be tracked via rhel jira in general
2025-06-17 15:26:36 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Colin Walters: i guess so, yeah. had a question relating to rhel-bootc also but less appropriate here
2025-06-17 15:27:06 <@walters:fedora.im> well we try to keep these things all in sync in general, definitely not *not* appropriate here 😄
2025-06-17 15:27:53 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i'll keep it for the matrix channel post-meeting :)
2025-06-17 15:28:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> but anyway, outstanding MRs are https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/base-images/-/merge_requests/?sort=created_date&state=opened&author_username=jlebon1&first_page_size=20 and https://gitlab.com/redhat/centos-stream/containers/bootc/-/merge_requests/?sort=created_date&state=opened&author_username=jlebon1&first_page_size=20
2025-06-17 15:28:28 <@walters:fedora.im> I think that may be all for this topic? Anyone have other things?
2025-06-17 15:28:31 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (that need review)
2025-06-17 15:28:54 <@walters:fedora.im> Ah nice work, ok yep we'll get those reviewed!
2025-06-17 15:29:19 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, what topic do y
2025-06-17 15:29:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, what topic do y'all want next?
2025-06-17 15:30:31 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic open floor
2025-06-17 15:30:53 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I had one to bring up.
2025-06-17 15:31:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-06-17 15:31:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> https://github.com/bootc-dev/bootc/issues/22
2025-06-17 15:31:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'm wondering if the config overlays/dynamic overlays has a driver for now?
2025-06-17 15:32:04 <@walters:fedora.im> Not currently but still definitely hope to do it
2025-06-17 15:33:05 <@jlebon:fedora.im> maybe we can see if someone from the CoreOS side can pick that up. it's particularly important there
2025-06-17 15:33:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Is there anyone in particular that would be good to collaborate with from the bootc side? 
2025-06-17 15:34:04 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> OR just post updates to the issue? 
2025-06-17 15:35:54 <@walters:fedora.im> Posting to the issue makes total sense as a default, but it's worth re-noting here there is now an upstream-client-focused slack, linked from https://github.com/bootc-dev/bootc?tab=readme-ov-file#community-discussion
2025-06-17 15:36:19 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ah, wait, do you mean the CNCF one?
2025-06-17 15:36:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info Dusty gave a talk at Flock about the future of CoreOS and how it intersects with bootc. Slides: https://cfp.fedoraproject.org/flock-to-fedora-2025/talk/UPJKTZ/ Recording: https://youtu.be/LvkFho1l238?t=3796
2025-06-17 15:36:41 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> We will need to migrate the community off of that Slack by the end of the week. I'm waiting to hear where we'll go.
2025-06-17 15:37:25 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> CNCF slack going away? 
2025-06-17 15:37:57 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Yes. One sec, I'll get you the blog post link. But the short version is Salesforce has decided to remove the CNCF special instance, and we were given a one week notice.
2025-06-17 15:38:09 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> CNCF is exploring other options, quickly. I'll have more info soon.
2025-06-17 15:38:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> One week, wow.
2025-06-17 15:38:21 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> https://www.cncf.io/blog/2025/06/16/cncf-slack-workspace-changes-coming-on-friday-june-20/
2025-06-17 15:38:26 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Yeah, only one week notice
2025-06-17 15:38:57 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'm more than happy to answer questions if anyone is curious about what this means for us as a CNCF project.
2025-06-17 15:38:58 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> TBH I really wish CNCF would use matrix, but I understand how this is something that many people have strong opinions about.
2025-06-17 15:40:08 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> There's a lot of negotiation going on within the CNCF at the moment. We can certainly have a Matrix space of our own, but there will always be a space where the CNCF is, and I recommend avoiding that fractured community as much as we can, unfortunately. So I'd recommend waiting to see what the CNCF does.
2025-06-17 15:40:16 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Keeping up with many community spaces is difficult at our size
2025-06-17 15:40:22 <@walters:fedora.im> There's a lot of existing discussion on this (especially in https://github.com/kubernetes/community/issues/8490 )
2025-06-17 15:42:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah. and as an emerging project I guess it makes sense to make sure we have established places for scoped discussions.
2025-06-17 15:42:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-06-17 15:42:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> for example bootc-dev upstream maybe should have it's own community meeting? and this one will be more focused on fedora/centos ecosystem specific things
2025-06-17 15:42:56 <@walters:fedora.im> We've had a few so far, but only announced in that slack; see also  https://github.com/bootc-dev/bootc/pull/1368
2025-06-17 15:43:01 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Yes :) There is a community meeting on Fridays! It's a good step in the right direction on the path for graduation as a CNCF project
2025-06-17 15:43:27 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> oh wow. I didn't realize. I'll try to get more plugged in
2025-06-17 15:44:58 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ok, we're about 15 minutes before end of time. Any thing else folks want to discuss? Re upstream stuff, we can definitely talk more about CNCF things and all elsewhere.
2025-06-17 15:45:03 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ok, we're about 15 minutes before end of time. Anything else folks want to discuss? Re upstream stuff, we can definitely talk more about CNCF things and all elsewhere.
2025-06-17 15:45:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ok, we're about 15 minutes before end of time. Anything else folks want to discuss? Re upstream stuff, we can definitely talk more about CNCF things and upstream bootc elsewhere.
2025-06-17 15:45:48 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> If there were a link I could add to my calendar (that would always be up to date) that would be great too. 
2025-06-17 15:46:04 <@jlebon:fedora.im> heh, was looking for the same thing
2025-06-17 15:46:07 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action nimbinatus finish setting up the calendar link for the upstream meeting
2025-06-17 15:46:11 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i just made an event manually for now
2025-06-17 15:46:33 <@walters:fedora.im> The time is likely to change (timezone issues as usual) but yes
2025-06-17 15:47:07 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I have a tool I've used for that before; I'll get that up when I can find my notes on how to set it up again
2025-06-17 15:49:18 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> 
2025-06-17 15:49:18 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'll close the meeting here in ~5min if I don't hear anything new.
2025-06-17 15:49:18 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, chat seems to have slowed. We set to end the meeting? Anyone have anything else?
2025-06-17 15:49:38 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, chat seems to have slowed. We set to end the meeting? Anyone have anything else?
2025-06-17 15:49:38 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> 
2025-06-17 15:49:38 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'll close the meeting here in ~5min if I don't hear anything new (give folks a chance to catch up :) ).
2025-06-17 15:50:59 <@walters:fedora.im> Thanks all!
2025-06-17 15:51:14 <@jlebon:fedora.im> thanks all! thanks nimbinatus for running!
2025-06-17 15:51:53 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Thanks for coming, y'all! I'll post a link to the notes in the #bootc:fedoraproject.org channel once I have them :) closing out the meeting
2025-06-17 15:52:09 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !endmeeting