#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:00:25

!startmeeting Go SIG meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:27

Meeting started at 2025-07-14 18:00:25 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:00:27

The Meeting name is 'Go SIG meeting'

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:00:30

!topic Roll Call

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:00:50

As always, we'll wait a few minutes.

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:02:31

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:02:33

Maxwell G (gotmax23) - he / him / his or they / them / theirs

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:04:50

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:06:09

Looks like we are just two today gotmax23 🙂

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:06:55

Anything new since last meeting on your end?

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:08:41

Hmmm nothing special. I already requested 1.24 for Fedora 41 and there is a problem with 1.25 in Fedora Rawhide. I will fix it this week before the mass rebuild so I can have rc2 in Rawhide and not screw up everything (I will be traveling the week of the mass rebuild, so...).

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:09:14

Got it

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:09:23

anything from your side?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:09:28

Yeah

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:09:41

I wrote up https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/go-vendor-tools/-/issues/76#note_2616382619 to start the discussion about Packaging Guidelines changes

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:09:55

oh I got the notification I think....

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:10:20

thank you, I need to read that

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:10:32

Sure

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:10:43

Let me know if you have any questions or comments or feedback or ... :)

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:11:33

I'd have it on my list for later this month but would also welcome if you or anyone else wants to start working on the necessary changes in https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/packaging-guidelines-fork

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:12:06

Of course, I will read it as soon as possible

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:12:36

can you later merge this to somewhere else?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:13:48

Yeah, the idea would be to propose those changes to https://pagure.io/packaging-committee

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:13:57

got it

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:14:07

I think Pagure supports a "remote pull request feature" so that should work

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:14:36

worst case scenario, we open a PR manually

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:14:59

Right, this could also just be pushed to a fork on Pagure

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:15:25

But Pagure is iffy and go-vendor-tools is already on Gitlab so I figured we'd start here

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:15:41

sure, way better to wrok on gitlab

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:15:59

Sure, way better to work on GitLab

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:16:08

Thanks a lot for the documentation

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:16:14

Sure :)

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:16:17

alexsaezm has already given cookies to gotmax23 during the F42 timeframe

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:16:27

Other than that, I'd like to get another go-vendor-tools release out

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:16:48

Maybe one that finally supports EPEL :D

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:17:02

is there anything blocking you?

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:17:17

!hello

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:17:19

Mikel Olasagasti Uranga (mikelo2)

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:17:21

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:17:24

Mainly time

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:17:41

But also getting a couple dependencies branched

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:17:46

(Which I've mostly finished)

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:18:05

I can help with the dependencies

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:18:06

And dealing with scancode completely breaking as part of the Python 3.14 rebuild

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:18:09

(f needed)

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:18:13

(if needed)

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:19:37

I think I got the last one branched (python-zstarfile), just need to build it. It was just three packages

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:19:44

But testing would definitely be appreciated

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:19:57

There's a Copr with the latest go-vendor-tools dev build

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:20:13

I was going to ask that, if there is a copr with the EPEL build I could test

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:20:13

It would be nice to have a couple people running that occasionally to test changes coming down the pipe

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:20:29

The Copr doesn't have the EPEL build yet

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:20:51

I will. I've been converting some of my packages to g-v-t and I can use the copr build

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:21:10

!info Go Vendor Tools for EPEL is coming soon

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:21:38

I've been also orphaning my leave packages

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:21:48

I would encourage everyone to do the same

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:21:49

!info https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/go-sig/go-vendor-tools-dev/ is available to help test the latest changes to the Go Vendor Tools development branch. Testers welcome!

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:22:02

Thanks mikel for working on that

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:22:22

I created a small selenium script https://mikel.olasagasti.info/tmp/fedora/orphan.py

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:22:33

and Fabio Valentini++ did a simpler one with python https://raw.githubusercontent.com/decathorpe/miscripts/refs/heads/master/orphan.py

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:23:05

maybe we can announce the acceptance of the proposal of g-v-t and recommending to orphan packages in the go-sig list

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:23:08

!info Scripts to orphan packages: https://mikel.olasagasti.info/tmp/fedora/orphan.py and https://raw.githubusercontent.com/decathorpe/miscripts/refs/heads/master/orphan.py

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:23:52

Currently, there are 622 packages orphaned in rawhide

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:24:09

Making me a little nervous as the one responsible for axing them after 6 weeks :D

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:24:11

more than 10% of those are mine 😅

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:24:19

the other 80% may be `fab`'s packages

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:24:40

we've a large number of go packages affected by orphans: https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/package-data/-/blob/main/binaries-orphan_affected?ref_type=heads

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:25:12

I'll be happy to see some of those disappearing

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:25:24

!info (from mikel) we've a large number of go packages affected by orphans: https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/package-data/-/blob/main/binaries-orphan_affected?ref_type=heads

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:25:24

but I'll work to convert some of those to gvt

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:25:36

mikel++

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

18:25:38

gotmax23 has already given cookies to mikelo2 during the F42 timeframe

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:26:16

!info I wrote up https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/go-vendor-tools/-/issues/76#note_2616382619 to start the discussion about Packaging Guidelines changes. Feedback welcome!

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:26:24

so if you agree, I'll send the email with the announcment, the recommendation of orphaning linking both scripts as examples and adding the list of binaries affected so everyeone is aware

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:26:55

I kind of wanted to wait to make large scale announcements until the guidelines are done

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:27:04

But things getting broken might be forcing our hand

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:27:05

oh, ok

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:27:13

it makes sense to wait also

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:27:25

but as you noted, things will be worse in 6 weeks 😅

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:27:37

I might ask FESCo for an approval to halt retirements of golang-*-devel packages until the new guidelines are available

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:28:01

In addition to ones in https://a.gtmx.me/orphans/orphans.txt, there are some on Miro's list of long-term FTBFS packages

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:28:09

can it be also non golang-* binary packages?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:28:41

What's your thinking there mikel?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:01

I mean about non golang-* packages

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:29:08

mmm, nonsense I guess. If -devel ones are kept, then binary ones shouldn't have problems

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:26

I think so

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:43

https://gitlab.com/fedora/sigs/go/package-data/-/blob/main/binaries-orphan_affected?ref_type=heads#L1-22 are packages that are already broken

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:29:52

But no new ones should be there if nothing else gets retired I think

<@mikelolasagasti:matrix.org>

18:29:56

sorry folks, need to leave. I'll read you later and act based on what's noted in the agenda

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:30:22

Ack thanks for all your work mikel!

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:30:48

!action ask FESCo for an approval to halt retirements of golang-*-devel packages until the new guidelines are available

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:30:49

thanks Mikel

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:31:21

The thinking here is that I'd like orphan affected packages to be converted to vendored, but we don't have guidelines in place yet

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:31:49

And not just have more people pick up the orphaned -devel packages

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:31:58

Or have the whole Go ecosystem break

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:32:20

right. If there are not guidelines people might start picking up packages or freaking out

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:09

Okay, I'll file that ticket after lunch

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:25

One other quick question for you while we're on the subject of orphans

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:33:49

I'm asking for feedback about the orphaned packages reports

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:34:13

Mainly if people find it helpful to be BCCed and receive the messages directly or just to keep sending them to devel-announce

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:34:43

But maybe that's a better discussion for after the meeting :)

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:35:41

hmmmmm that's going to be highly personal, I think... I like the BCC thing because I suck big time at email, but some people might find it overkill?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:36:10

Fair enough, thank you!

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:37:10

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:37:16

do we have anything else?

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:37:53

!action gotmax keep working on go-vendor-tools update and file FESCo issue

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:37:58

Nothing else from me

<@buckaroogeek:fedora.im>

18:38:19

Back. Nothing from me :)

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:39:28

awesome, in that case I think we can call it. I will be in UK next week AFK but I will have my phone around

<@buckaroogeek:fedora.im>

18:40:11

Have a safe trip

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:40:26

Have fun!

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:41:23

thanks, last time I went to UK, Spain got the blackout and I got stranded at the airport... can't be worse than that, right? 😄

<@buckaroogeek:fedora.im>

18:41:48

Knock on wood

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:42:02

I will bring with me a stick 😛

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:42:07

I have a relative who got stranded in California because it was "too hot" for the plane to take off

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:42:07

thanks everyone!

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:42:12

But that's probably not as bad

<@gotmax:matrix.org>

18:42:20

See you all in two weeks :)

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:42:56

I won't enter in details of what happened at the airport but lets say I ended up in the hospital 😄

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:43:07

see you in two weeks 😄

<@alexsaezm:fedora.im>

18:43:11

!endmeeting