#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:30:40

!startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:30:43

Meeting started at 2025-07-16 15:30:40 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:30:43

The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:30:57

!topic roll call

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:31:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:31:06

Michael Armijo (marmijo)

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:31:17

Hello Everyone!

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:32:00

!hi

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

15:32:01

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:03

Timothée Ravier (siosm) - he / him / his

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:05

Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his

<@jcapitao:fedora.im>

15:32:09

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:10

Joel Capitao (jcapitao) - he / him / his

<@hricky:fedora.im>

15:32:10

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:12

Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his

<@ravanelli:matrix.org>

15:32:19

!hi ravanelli

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:25

Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)

<@apiaseck:matrix.org>

15:32:35

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:32:37

Adam Piasecki (c4rt0) - he / him / his

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

15:33:28

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:33:31

Jean-Baptiste Trystram (jbtrystram) - he / him / his

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:34:28

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:34:28

None (jlebon)

<@ydesouza:matrix.org>

15:34:30

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:34:33

No Fedora Accounts users have the @ydesouza:matrix.org Matrix Account defined

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:34:39

May be we can get started now..

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:34:43

!topic Action items from last meeting

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:35:11

The community meeting last week was cancelled I believe.

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:36:19

I dont think we had any action item from the previous week either.

<@ydesouza:fedora.im>

15:36:59

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:37:00

Yasmin Valim de Souza (ydesouza)

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:37:10

!topic Review Fedora 43 Release Schedule

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:37:10

!link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:37:10

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:38:18

We have a Proposal submission deadline for Self Contained Changes that is coming up. It is due for July 22, 2025

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:39:41

Is there anything to be discussed regarding that?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:41:26

we have https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-stop-publishing-updates-to-ostree-repository-for-coreos-self-contained/148878/4 accepted and https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-build-fedora-coreos-using-containerfile-self-contained/158041 in progress

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:41:35

I don't believe so. I think we already submitted some FCOS changes that are in waiting

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:41:49

I don't believe so. I think we already submitted some FCOS changes that are in waiting/pending

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:41:50

and the bootupd one if I'm not mistaken

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:41:59

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-enable-automatic-updates-of-the-bootloader-for-bootable-container-systems-self-contained/158039/2

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:43:40

Thank you for sharing them!

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:44:04

We are on track for that

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:44:22

Moving on to the next ~

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:44:23

!link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1934

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:44:23

!topic tracker: Fedora 43 changes considerations

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:45:10

I ran the script today and a few new changes were reported in both sections: https://pagure.io/fork/dustymabe/fedora-pgm/pgm_scripts/c/40abe5bb3976ee2e84b0498bdf0695f327d4a586?branch=dusty-fcos-changes

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:46:19

Thanks marmijo for updating the list.

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:47:43

Lets run through the new list

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:47:59

116. Package builds are expected to be reproducible https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Package_builds_are_expected_to_be_reproducible

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:48:07

116 . Package builds are expected to be reproducible https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Package\_builds\_are\_expected\_to\_be\_reproducible

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:51:08

Should be fine for us. We'll address things as they come?

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:53:07

117 & 118 & 119 & 125 & 216 & 217 we can skip directly as we are not shipping those packages., 122 & 123 & 124 should not impact us as we are not using CMake

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:53:57

Thanks travier!

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:54:13

Thanks for that travier

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:54:30

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Package-specific_RPM_Macros_For_Build_Flags

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:54:30

120 . Package-specific RPM Macros For Build Flags

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:55:24

we might have to look at ostree & rpm-ostree to see if we use those, but that should not be too much work

<@siosm:matrix.org>

15:55:54

so I would say we need a small action item here

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

15:56:45

I can look into it

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:57:38

Ok I will draft an Action item for this.

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

15:59:44

!Action marmijo to investigate the use of ostree and rpm-ostree to determine their relevance and integration as part of Package-specific RPM Macros For Build Flags changes

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:00:25

not sure if capital `A` there will work for the bot

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:00:40

Ah! Let me try again

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:01:07

!action marmijo to investigate the use of ostree and rpm-ostree to determine their relevance and integration as part of Package-specific RPM Macros For Build Flags changes.

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:01:59

Next is 121

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:02:19

121 . Remove DNF modularity support from Anaconda - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Remove_DNF_modularity_support_from_Anaconda

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:04:18

This should not impact us as we are not using Anaconda nor modularity

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:05:46

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:05:46

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Java25AndNoMoreSystemJdk

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:05:46

125 . java-25-openjdk as preferred JDK in F43 and removal of concept of system JDK

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:05:55

125 . java-25-openjdk as preferred JDK in F43 and removal of concept of system JDK

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:05:55

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Java25AndNoMoreSystemJdk

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:06:19

I don't think we ship the jdk ?

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:07:32

Ok, moving to the next one

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:08:04

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GolangPackagesVendoredByDefault

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:08:04

126 - Golang Packages Vendored By Default

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:09:10

Do we own any golang packages where we don't vendor?

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:12:29

What would that look like? I think we typically use /vendor for all golang packages in our repos.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:13:48

I think they want to change that now to do more of what we've been doing all along.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:13:48

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:13:48

Right. The policy in the past for Fedora has been to try to get people to build their golang packages unbundled (i.e. no vendoring).

<@jbtrystram:matrix.org>

16:14:31

I hope that come true for rust packages as well

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:15:54

In that case, this should not be causing any impact for us

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:16:13

In that case, this change should not be causing any impact for us

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:16:49

agree, should be fine for us

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:17:42

213 - Debuginfod IMA Verification By Default

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:17:42

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Debuginfod_IMA_Verification

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:18:17

we don't use IMA

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:18:23

so it should not impact us

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:18:31

possibly this means though that there will be better tooling that will render https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/ignition/blob/rawhide/f/go-mods-to-bundled-provides.py obsolete

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:18:45

(and similarly in our other golang packages)

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:19:54

214 - Wayland-only GNOME

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:19:54

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/WaylandOnlyGNOME

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:20:56

this one shouldn't affect FCOS

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:21:50

215 - Deprecate the async-std Rust crate

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:21:50

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_async-std

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:23:38

I don't think any of our Rust project use this. A github search turns no results

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:24:40

218 we can skip as we don't maintain Python packages

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:24:54

219 is about fonts and we don't use that either

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:25:12

220 we don't use Anaconda

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:25:20

221 is ours

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:26:28

ok I think we are nearing the end of the meeting

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:26:46

let's go to open floor?

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:26:55

we just have two more changes to be discussed , may be we can discuss it in the next meeting

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:27:06

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:27:06

!topic Open Floor

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:29:05

!info hoping to ship oraclecloud images next week: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1967

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:29:30

Also should we promote `proxmoxve` to `stable` without docs?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

16:30:30

no strong opinion. seems fine. the folks interested in it don't seem to need docs

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:31:42

no strong opinion either. Having the images available may push people to write docs

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:32:51

same here. I don't think we had any volunteers to write docs for it, so I could try to tackle that.

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:33:54

I think jdoss is planning to write docs for it

<@marmijo:fedora.im>

16:34:15

oh nice!

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:34:22

but I also kind of feel like if we push it to stable there won't be much incentive to write docs

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:34:28

for people who already know how to do it

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:35:41

then let's hold a bit for know and see in a few weeks?

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:35:46

Thats right! I feel the docs would benefit people who are willing to try the stable version of proxmox

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:35:57

ah, it's been a few weeks already

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:14

for me it's easier to write the docs if the images are here to grab directly and try

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:37:22

so I would vote to go ahead

<@dustymabe:matrix.org>

16:37:41

👍️

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:38:48

and I've now realized that the images are already there for next & testing 😅

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:38:52

anyway

<@siosm:matrix.org>

16:39:33

let's close this meeting?

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:39:42

yes, we are past the meeting time

<@aaradhak:matrix.org>

16:39:50

!endmeeting