#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

18:59:51

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-08-14)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:59:53

Meeting started at 2025-08-14 18:59:51 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

18:59:53

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-08-14)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:00

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:00:00

!meetingname AltImages

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:00:02

The Meeting Name is now AltImages

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:01:09

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:01:12

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:01:47

Hi Conan Kudo

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:42

I'm not sure how many others are going to make it, so I'll just start ... faster start, faster end.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:08

!link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:08

!topic Requested Features

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:47

I believe we can now check on doing WSL the new way with this quarters release.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:04:07

you mean check _off_? as it's done now?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:36

😀 Yep ... sorry, fingers just auto-typed. I think it's done.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:04:44

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:04:46

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:12

I believe everyone here saw the showcase, it does all that I wanted it to do, and more.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:29

!link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozg-VPVoB_4

<@davide:cavalca.name>

19:05:40

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:05:41

Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:50

Hi Robby Callicotte and Davide Cavalca

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:06:11

I really was not expecting it to put graphical programs into the Windows start menu.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:08:11

I think the other two, persistant media and raw images, there hasn't been much work happening for the past month or so.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:16

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:49

I think I've covered all the news I had, does anyone have any other news or image things happen in the past month or so?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:30

not too much so far I think?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:57

erofs needs to be refreshed in the c10s kernel and the erofs-utils userspace needs updating too

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:57

No new news that I'm aware of

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:11:24

there's a lot of performance and compression improvements in 6.16/6.17

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:11:36

including zstd no longer being labeled "experimental" in 6.17

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:44

Very cool, and nice. :)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:59

!topic Open Floor

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:35

Does anyone know of any other desktops making it into EPEL10 ? That we would need to make images for?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:13:18

not offhand? I think probably the next one to probably get into EPEL 10 will be LXQt

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:49

I keep hearing of lxqt, also sway

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:13:50

but there's still some work to do there to strip the X11 session dependencies when building for RHEL 10+

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:32

But, the person who wanted sway wasn't a package maintainer and was just sorta wanting things to magically appear.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:15:47

How many lxqt packages are there? Would it take me too much time to do the X11 removal? Or are there a ton of them like KDE has.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:04

nah, there's like ~20 packages total I think for the whole desktop stack

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:08

probably less

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:49

Hmm ... I'm not totally sure I was to be the maintainer, but I would like a good lightweight desktop on 10.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:16:50

there's #lxqt:fedoraproject.org for discussing it in depth

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:17:50

IIRC, lxqt-session and lxqt-wayland-session are the two source packages that need some twiddling, as well as possibly lxqt-panel... and Miriway needs to be brought into EPEL 10

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:08

the total LXQt stack is very small though

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:51

lxqt need miriway? That's surprising.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:19:10

that's the default compositor for Fedora LXQt

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:25

Huh ... ok

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:19:36

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LXQt_2.1

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:36

Anything else we need to talk about for images?

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:20:53

do you think you could prioritize time on auto-persistence?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:36

Is the dracut in CentOS 10 able to do peristence??

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:21:48

Is the dracut in CentOS 10 able to do peristence?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:31

When I tried it before, it couldn't do it. But that's been a while.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:42

I couldn't even get it working in Fedora at the time.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:22:44

yes

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:22:58

it works when selinux is not enabled

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:23:14

when you pre-select a target volume

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:23:43

the remaining pieces are getting it to automatically use empty space on a usb stick and resolving remaining selinux quirks

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:43

I'm ok with selinux turned off, at least for the beginning.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:14

Getting it to use the empty space on the usb stick is the holy grail ... that is the most useful, and elusive.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:35

Looking at my upcoming month ... I'm certain I won't be able to get to it for two weeks, but it's possible after that I might have some time and can look at it again.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:18

Any other Image things that people want to bring up?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:30:49

Then I'm going to close this early so we can go to the ELN meeting.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:01

Thank you all for coming.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:30

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:30

!endmeeting