2025-08-14 18:59:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-08-14)
2025-08-14 18:59:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-08-14 18:59:51 UTC
2025-08-14 18:59:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-08-14)'
2025-08-14 19:00:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-08-14 19:00:00 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2025-08-14 19:00:02 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2025-08-14 19:01:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-08-14 19:01:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 19:01:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-08-14 19:02:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not sure how many others are going to make it, so I'll just start ... faster start, faster end.
2025-08-14 19:03:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/centos-sig-alt-images/sig/issues?tags=Feature+Request&status=Open
2025-08-14 19:03:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Requested Features
2025-08-14 19:03:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe we can now check on doing WSL the new way with this quarters release.
2025-08-14 19:04:07 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you mean check _off_? as it's done now?
2025-08-14 19:04:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 😀  Yep ... sorry, fingers just auto-typed.   I think it's done.
2025-08-14 19:04:44 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 19:04:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 19:05:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I believe everyone here saw the showcase, it does all that I wanted it to do, and more.
2025-08-14 19:05:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozg-VPVoB_4
2025-08-14 19:05:40 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-08-14 19:05:41 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 19:05:50 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte  and Davide Cavalca 
2025-08-14 19:06:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I really was not expecting it to put graphical programs into the Windows start menu.
2025-08-14 19:08:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think the other two, persistant media and raw images, there hasn't been much work happening for the past month or so.
2025-08-14 19:09:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2025-08-14 19:09:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think I've covered all the news I had, does anyone have any other news or image things happen in the past month or so?
2025-08-14 19:10:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not too much so far I think?
2025-08-14 19:10:57 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> erofs needs to be refreshed in the c10s kernel and the erofs-utils userspace needs updating too
2025-08-14 19:10:57 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> No new news that I'm aware of
2025-08-14 19:11:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's a lot of performance and compression improvements in 6.16/6.17
2025-08-14 19:11:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> including zstd no longer being labeled "experimental" in 6.17
2025-08-14 19:11:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Very cool, and nice.  :)
2025-08-14 19:11:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-08-14 19:12:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Does anyone know of any other desktops making it into EPEL10 ?   That we would need to make images for?
2025-08-14 19:13:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not offhand? I think probably the next one to probably get into EPEL 10 will be LXQt
2025-08-14 19:13:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I keep hearing of lxqt, also sway
2025-08-14 19:13:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but there's still some work to do there to strip the X11 session dependencies when building for RHEL 10+
2025-08-14 19:14:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But, the person who wanted sway wasn't a package maintainer and was just sorta wanting things to magically appear.
2025-08-14 19:15:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> How many lxqt packages are there?  Would it take me too much time to do the X11 removal?  Or are there a ton of them like KDE has.
2025-08-14 19:16:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nah, there's like ~20 packages total I think for the whole desktop stack
2025-08-14 19:16:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably less
2025-08-14 19:16:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hmm ... I'm not totally sure I was to be the maintainer, but I would like a good lightweight desktop on 10.
2025-08-14 19:16:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there's #lxqt:fedoraproject.org for discussing it in depth
2025-08-14 19:17:50 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> IIRC, lxqt-session and lxqt-wayland-session are the two source packages that need some twiddling, as well as possibly lxqt-panel... and Miriway needs to be brought into EPEL 10
2025-08-14 19:18:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the total LXQt stack is very small though
2025-08-14 19:18:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> lxqt need miriway?  That's surprising.
2025-08-14 19:19:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that's the default compositor for Fedora LXQt
2025-08-14 19:19:25 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Huh ... ok
2025-08-14 19:19:36 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LXQt_2.1
2025-08-14 19:20:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else we need to talk about for images?
2025-08-14 19:20:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> do you think you could prioritize time on auto-persistence?
2025-08-14 19:21:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is the dracut in CentOS 10 able to do peristence??
2025-08-14 19:21:48 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is the dracut in CentOS 10 able to do peristence?
2025-08-14 19:22:31 <@tdawson:fedora.im> When I tried it before, it couldn't do it.  But that's been a while.
2025-08-14 19:22:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I couldn't even get it working in Fedora at the time.
2025-08-14 19:22:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-08-14 19:22:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it works when selinux is not enabled
2025-08-14 19:23:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> when you pre-select a target volume
2025-08-14 19:23:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the remaining pieces are getting it to automatically use empty space on a usb stick and resolving remaining selinux quirks
2025-08-14 19:25:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm ok with selinux turned off, at least for the beginning.
2025-08-14 19:27:14 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Getting it to use the empty space on the usb stick is the holy grail ... that is the most useful, and elusive.
2025-08-14 19:28:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Looking at my upcoming month ... I'm certain I won't be able to get to it for two weeks, but it's possible after that I might have some time and can look at it again.
2025-08-14 19:29:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other Image things that people want to bring up?
2025-08-14 19:30:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm going to close this early so we can go to the ELN meeting.
2025-08-14 19:31:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for coming.
2025-08-14 19:31:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> 
2025-08-14 19:31:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting