2025-08-14 15:03:01 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_cloud_meeting
2025-08-14 15:03:02 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-08-14 15:03:01 UTC
2025-08-14 15:03:02 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_cloud_meeting'
2025-08-14 15:03:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-08-14 15:03:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 15:03:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-08-14 15:03:12 <@jcline:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 15:03:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jeremy Cline (jcline) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 15:03:33 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-08-14 15:03:33 <@davdunc:fedora.im> 👋
2025-08-14 15:03:34 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 15:03:45 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome to see everyone. 
2025-08-14 15:04:06 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Apologies to everone for the early warning. 
2025-08-14 15:04:24 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info davdunc tried to start the meeting a few hours early. 
2025-08-14 15:04:53 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> You're just keeping us on our toes. i like it
2025-08-14 15:04:58 <@jcline:fedora.im> No worries, I slept through the false start but it was a good reminder
2025-08-14 15:05:18 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome. appreciate every one of you for that. 
2025-08-14 15:05:37 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic action items from last meeting
2025-08-14 15:07:13 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info #441 cloud images are missing `saved_entry` in grubenv -- I was supposed to follow up on that, but I didn't get a chance. 
2025-08-14 15:07:19 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll reaction this week. 
2025-08-14 15:07:48 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !action davdunc to follow up with Martin on #441 cloud images are missing `saved_entry` in grubenv. 
2025-08-14 15:08:54 <@davdunc:fedora.im> There is nothing new with a meeting tag. 
2025-08-14 15:09:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Is there anything that anyone wants to discuss? 
2025-08-14 15:09:49 <@jcline:fedora.im> Not much from me. A heads-up that I bumped cloud-init to 25.2 in Rawhide and f43, and pulled in https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/cloud-init/pull-request/51
2025-08-14 15:10:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info Jeremy Cline bumped cloud-init to 25.2 in Rawhide and f43, and pulled in https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/cloud-init/pull-request/51
2025-08-14 15:10:31 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i have a small update re XCP-NG, specifically that the fedora cloud images seem to "Just Work™️"  from my recent testing. I just had to build the tools to get metrics propagating, but that package is a long tail for me anyways..
2025-08-14 15:11:25 <@davdunc:fedora.im> That's cool Neil Hanlon (@neil:fedora.im) 
2025-08-14 15:11:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> oh. Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) ! :D 
2025-08-14 15:11:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> respecting your suffix there. :D 
2025-08-14 15:11:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> heh 😃 i get notifications for both, so its cool
2025-08-14 15:12:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i may be abandoning beeper soon, anyways.
2025-08-14 15:12:17 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (https://blog.beeper.com/2025/07/16/the-new-beeper/)
2025-08-14 15:12:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Do we need images including XCP-NG
2025-08-14 15:12:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Probably it'd be good to have images with the xe-guest-utilities baked in
2025-08-14 15:13:46 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> !hi
2025-08-14 15:13:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jack Aboutboul (jack)
2025-08-14 15:13:58 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> heya Jack 🙂 how's it going
2025-08-14 15:14:39 <@davdunc:fedora.im> themayor two days in a row. I must be doing something right. 
2025-08-14 15:14:59 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. so the License for XCP-ng isn't OSI approved is it? 
2025-08-14 15:15:06 <@davdunc:fedora.im> :/ 
2025-08-14 15:15:38 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> xe-guest-utilities is bsd-2
2025-08-14 15:15:42 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> https://github.com/xenserver/xe-guest-utilities
2025-08-14 15:16:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> the rest should be OSI, it's all Xen or forks thereof
2025-08-14 15:17:03 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> https://github.com/xcp-ng/xen-guest-agent this is the new agent, fwiw... but I haven't tried it
2025-08-14 15:17:12 <@davdunc:fedora.im> that we _could_ do. It looks like the real licensing complications come in the ISO. 
2025-08-14 15:17:22 <@davdunc:fedora.im> The rest is just Xen. 
2025-08-14 15:17:33 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> me too!
2025-08-14 15:17:40 <@davdunc:fedora.im> :D
2025-08-14 15:19:10 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Where would it have an influence Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) or anyone else? Is it something we want people who are using Xen now to use to leverage Fedora? 
2025-08-14 15:20:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> It, being xen. I know it _used to_ be a part of the Amazon experience, but any more, it's almost fully replaced with Nitro. 
2025-08-14 15:20:23 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> I mentioned it mostly because an XCP-NG image had been something this group (and I) was looking into earlier this year
2025-08-14 15:20:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-08-14 15:20:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 15:20:56 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> and really it's just our cloud image w/ an extra package, there's nothing of XCP-NG's or Xen really that is required in our guest image
2025-08-14 15:20:59 <@jcline:fedora.im> Yeah I don't know anything about xen, really, so I can't offer much feedback I'm afraid
2025-08-14 15:21:40 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> i'm an avid XCP-NG and Xen user but I know I'm the minority there lol
2025-08-14 15:22:56 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Conan Kudo Any appetite here that you know about? 
2025-08-14 15:24:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> There's a fair bit of small business usage of XCP stuff 
2025-08-14 15:24:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> The generic image just needs Xen guest additions
2025-08-14 15:25:11 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Yeah they have taken a good amount of business stemming from the VMWare debacle
2025-08-14 15:25:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> For xcp
2025-08-14 15:25:26 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> yeah
2025-08-14 15:25:28 <@davdunc:fedora.im> yea. 
2025-08-14 15:25:38 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> But I don't think those are packaged 
2025-08-14 15:25:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay, so they would need to be kmods, no? 
2025-08-14 15:26:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> nope it's all userspace
2025-08-14 15:26:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> welll then. Add them to the cloud packaging group and we can add them to the generic image for validations. 
2025-08-14 15:26:44 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> or, the old one was. I shouldn't speak for the new rust "guest agent" but I expect it is userspace
2025-08-14 15:27:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic Add XCP-NG to the Cloud Base Image
2025-08-14 15:28:25 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (@nhanlon:beeper.com) is that a workgroup kind of thing where we set up some time like Neal and I have done for the Kiwi stuff? 
2025-08-14 15:29:02 <@davdunc:fedora.im> If so, we can add some time to the Fedora Calendar and advertise a hack time. 
2025-08-14 15:31:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> The kernel stuff is enabled already
2025-08-14 15:31:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> alright. that's perfect.
2025-08-14 15:31:47 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> depends i think on how many rust dependencies we need 😃
2025-08-14 15:32:14 <@davdunc:fedora.im> well, do you want to take a stab at adding the packages? No pressure. 
2025-08-14 15:32:51 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> Sure, I'll put it on my list to take a look at and ask for help if I need
2025-08-14 15:33:02 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> have been meaning to take a hard look at my packages, anyways
2025-08-14 15:33:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> "Does this bring me joy?"
2025-08-14 15:33:34 <@davdunc:fedora.im> The Condo method. :D 
2025-08-14 15:34:31 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2025-08-14 15:34:57 <@davdunc:fedora.im> I'll not make and action item, but we can keep this on the list of "nice to haves" that we would like. 
2025-08-14 15:35:07 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> sounds good to me
2025-08-14 15:35:19 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !topic open floor
2025-08-14 15:36:32 <@jcline:fedora.im> Just thought I'd give an update on the automated testing with LISA, which is that I've not started yet, but I plan to probably next week. I'm going to start with Azure and once that's in a good state move on to AWS, etc. Like with the image uploader.
2025-08-14 15:36:42 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info TX LinuxFest is still accepting CFP proposals. 
2025-08-14 15:37:23 <@davdunc:fedora.im>  Jeremy Cline is there anything you would like in terms of assistance for the first round efforts? 
2025-08-14 15:37:53 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !info Do we need an AI Policy for our Cloud Efforts? 
2025-08-14 15:38:14 <@jcline:fedora.im> Not just yet. Bala from my team has already done most of the work, so I'll mostly be doing the work to get it running in infra
2025-08-14 15:38:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> awesome! 
2025-08-14 15:38:50 <@jcline:fedora.im> Once we've moved on to AWS and GCP I'm sure we'll hit things we need help with
2025-08-14 15:38:54 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> are we not planning on inheriting whatever broader policy we end up adopting for Fedora
2025-08-14 15:39:25 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> this is great news. let me know if you need any help on this Jeremy Cline 
2025-08-14 15:39:36 <@davdunc:fedora.im> themayor we are, but then making targets for how we want to support the AI/ML community broadly should be a part of our PRD. 
2025-08-14 15:40:22 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Yes. Jeremy Cline it's so wonderful having you working on these projects. 
2025-08-14 15:40:58 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Bala should be here so we can give him the cookies. 
2025-08-14 15:41:30 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Make sure he knows how much we appreciate hime Jeremy Cline and themayor . 
2025-08-14 15:41:57 <@jcline:fedora.im> Bala++
2025-08-14 15:41:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jcline gave a cookie to balakondareddy. They now have 1 cookie, 1 of which was obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-08-14 15:42:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im> perfect! 
2025-08-14 15:42:13 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> @Bala ++
2025-08-14 15:42:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> neil gave a cookie to balakondareddy. They now have 2 cookies, 2 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-08-14 15:42:17 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Bala++
2025-08-14 15:42:18 <@zodbot:fedora.im> davdunc gave a cookie to balakondareddy. They now have 3 cookies, 3 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-08-14 15:42:51 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. Anything else to discuss? 
2025-08-14 15:43:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> Bala gets cookies. 
2025-08-14 15:43:27 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> none from me sir
2025-08-14 15:43:35 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> (things to discuss, i mean)
2025-08-14 15:44:20 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. fantastic.  I hope to see some of you soon at Devconf.us. 
2025-08-14 15:44:41 <@davdunc:fedora.im> a few weeks away, but coming in hot! 
2025-08-14 15:44:43 <@jaboutboul:matrix.org> Bala++
2025-08-14 15:44:47 <@zodbot:fedora.im> jack gave a cookie to balakondareddy. They now have 4 cookies, 4 of which were obtained in the Fedora 42 release cycle
2025-08-14 15:44:55 <@davdunc:fedora.im> okay. 
2025-08-14 15:44:58 <@davdunc:fedora.im> 3. 
2025-08-14 15:45:02 <@davdunc:fedora.im> 2. 
2025-08-14 15:45:09 <@davdunc:fedora.im>  1. 
2025-08-14 15:45:15 <@davdunc:fedora.im> :D 
2025-08-14 15:45:27 <@davdunc:fedora.im> !endmeeting