2025-08-14 16:01:25 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2025-08-14 16:01:26 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-08-14 16:01:25 UTC
2025-08-14 16:01:26 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2025-08-14 16:01:30 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-08-14 16:01:34 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I am here for once.
2025-08-14 16:01:36 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 16:01:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 16:01:40 <@limb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 16:01:41 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 16:01:42 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Gwyn Ciesla (limb) - she / her / hers
2025-08-14 16:01:43 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 16:02:04 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2025-08-14 16:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2025-08-14 16:02:23 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I was actually on vacation for the past month but had things scheduled out so that I could join.  Unfortunately for whatever reason I could not log into matrix from my laptop.
2025-08-14 16:02:45 <@james:fedora.im> For a month? Are you cosplaying an European?
2025-08-14 16:03:00 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I was in Norway.
2025-08-14 16:03:34 <@tibbs:fedora.im> It takes me four planes and something like 28 hours of travel just to get to the island; I'm not going for a weekend.
2025-08-14 16:03:36 <@james:fedora.im> Did you see Fjords?
2025-08-14 16:04:15 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I saw very many fjords.
2025-08-14 16:06:41 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1480 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1480
2025-08-14 16:06:55 <@james:fedora.im> This seems fine, to me.
2025-08-14 16:07:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> yup, i tagged this one
2025-08-14 16:07:07 <@limb:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-14 16:07:22 <@james:fedora.im> Assuming only good people get to own the FNN-backgrounds packages
2025-08-14 16:07:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if you squint just right it would fit under the multi-version exception, but it's a stretch
2025-08-14 16:08:19 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh this link is the pr, not the issue
2025-08-14 16:08:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> thanks Jason ティビツ for submitting that
2025-08-14 16:08:48 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I figured we'd do the exception and then just close the issue due to the PR.
2025-08-14 16:09:04 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I have no idea why we never just documented it.
2025-08-14 16:09:23 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> +1 to the PR
2025-08-14 16:09:41 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> when i was looking for the exception i just searched for "backgrounds" in our issue tracker, and found those two open issues
2025-08-14 16:09:57 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> obviously a proper section in the docs is better than the issue backlog
2025-08-14 16:11:11 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC PR#1478 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1478
2025-08-14 16:11:34 <@james:fedora.im> This seems similar to something someone opened recently ... where they wanted to put a generic thing in a specific place.
2025-08-14 16:12:32 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-08-14 16:12:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-08-14 16:13:09 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I'm not sure this needs to be documented *there*? ... 
2025-08-14 16:13:27 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I assume it's documented somewhere though.
2025-08-14 16:13:33 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> you always need to tell RPM which package a scriptlet belongs to, this is no special case
2025-08-14 16:13:45 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> this is also the case for %files, and %post, and everything else
2025-08-14 16:13:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it should be in the rpm documentation
2025-08-14 16:15:26 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I'll close it and say something.
2025-08-14 16:15:32 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> maybe this would work better as a NOTE admonition
2025-08-14 16:15:40 <@james:fedora.im> !topic FPC#1476 https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1476
2025-08-14 16:18:16 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> this one confuses me 
2025-08-14 16:18:58 <@limb:fedora.im> Same.
2025-08-14 16:19:07 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> maybe the underlying intent was that sometimes packagers need to put stuff in `/usr/lib` even when `%{_libdir}` is `/usr/lib64`
2025-08-14 16:19:47 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> sure 
2025-08-14 16:20:00 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it's a bit confusing that there's two rows that contain /lib
2025-08-14 16:20:18 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I think the person is reading it as "if you need to put things under /usr/lib64 or /usr/lib, then use the libdir macro.
2025-08-14 16:20:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> one is the architecture-independent /lib and one is the 32-bit library path 
2025-08-14 16:21:02 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> which might be the source of the confusion?
2025-08-14 16:23:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 
2025-08-14 16:23:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> /lib64 (64-bit architectures) and /lib (32-bit architectures)
2025-08-14 16:23:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> 
2025-08-14 16:23:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> maybe the two rows would be better described as
2025-08-14 16:23:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> /lib (architecture-independent)
2025-08-14 16:23:26 <@tibbs:fedora.im> This is one of those things where I guess I know the difference, so I can't begin to understand why the question was asked in the first place.
2025-08-14 16:24:01 <@limb:fedora.im> And it's one of those things where if you're a packager, you eventually learn it, and if you're strickly an end user, you really don't need to care.
2025-08-14 16:24:36 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I'll close it and try to add a comment to help OP out.
2025-08-14 16:24:44 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it's also one of those things that are kind-of specific to Red Hat -ish distros right?
2025-08-14 16:25:05 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-08-14 16:25:24 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, debian don't have lib64 at all AIUI
2025-08-14 16:25:42 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> yeah debian is very different there
2025-08-14 16:27:50 <@james:fedora.im> Oh, this PR got updated and is small now...
2025-08-14 16:27:50 <@james:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1477
2025-08-14 16:29:10 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I think I'm +1 to that.
2025-08-14 16:29:53 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I think so too
2025-08-14 16:29:56 <@limb:fedora.im> +1
2025-08-14 16:33:49 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, merged.
2025-08-14 16:33:51 <@james:fedora.im> Anything else?
2025-08-14 16:38:38 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, going to close in a min. and give every 20m back.
2025-08-14 16:38:46 <@tibbs:fedora.im> Thanks.
2025-08-14 16:39:28 <@tibbs:fedora.im> I got annoyed and am working up a PR to fix the warnings that show up when building.
2025-08-14 16:39:45 <@tibbs:fedora.im> building the guidelines docs site, that is.
2025-08-14 16:40:03 <@tibbs:fedora.im> antora just has way too little verbosity to find some of these issues, though.
2025-08-14 16:41:29 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting