#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:12

!startmeeting Fedora bootc Initiative

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:01:14

Meeting started at 2025-09-02 15:01:12 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

15:01:14

The Meeting name is 'Fedora bootc Initiative'

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:20

!topic roll call

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:24

!hi

<@rsturla:fedora.im>

15:01:28

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:30

None (rsturla)

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:40

well hello to you too zodbot

<@hricky:fedora.im>

15:01:44

!hi

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:45

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:46

Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:01:48

Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:01:52

there we go

<@jeckersb:fedora.im>

15:01:58

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:02:00

John Eckersberg (jeckersb)

<@jmarrero:matrix.org>

15:02:02

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:02:05

Joseph Marrero (jmarrero)

<@walters:fedora.im>

15:03:20

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:03:21

Colin Walters (walters)

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:06:47

!topic coreos convergence (standing topic)

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:07:00

y'all have some stuff to talk about for coreos?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:09:58

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:09:59

None (jlebon)

<@walters:fedora.im>

15:10:16

I see some small progress glancing at recent discussions

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:10:42

after f44, we've cut over f43, but still figuring out signing

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:10:42

looks like i joined just in time :)

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:11:05

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

15:11:07

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<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:11:24

the signing infrastructure is in the process of being rewritten to properly support sigstore, but we're trying to not block on that

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:11:58

there's also the konflux work of course, which signs things with... a key? but it's not clear how authoritative that key is currently

<@walters:fedora.im>

15:13:03

is there a link for the signing rewrite?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:13:06

and we're still baking the konflux work

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:13:06

currently, i'm looking at just continuing to use robosignatory and the c/image support for gpg key verification

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:13:23

I think it's a key at Konflux cluster level i.e Fedora one, but I'm still unsure TBH

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:13:31

Colin Walters: not sure, but jcline is working on it. some details are on his blog: https://www.jcline.org/

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:14:09

actually yes, there's also https://github.com/fedora-infra/siguldry

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:14:35

!link https://github.com/fedora-infra/siguldry

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:16:05

the main hiccup with robosignatory currently is that it creates detached signatures but we need an inline signature for c/image. so likely will need to add another interface to robosignatory for it

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:17:08

on a positive note, both f44 and f43 now build and pass tests with the buildah path

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:17:15

on all arches

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:20:50

and what about https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48 ? is there blockers or prerequisites preventing us to start working on it ?

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:21:01

!link https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:21:39

I'm asking because at some point we'd need it to be able to run tests in Konflux i.e with TestingFarm/tmt

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:22:58

jcapitao: shorter term, in theory shouldn't we be able to run kola tests (assuming the builders support KVM)?

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:25:15

well, that option was kind of discarded https://gitlab.com/fedora/infrastructure/konflux/infra-deployments/-/issues/19

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:26:00

still running tests on Jenkins would be shorter term I'd say

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:27:40

yeah, agree

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:28:29

for clarification, I can start working on https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48 but I'd need some direction :)

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:29:25

i think it might be good to get together with tmt maintainers

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:30:25

notably we really like the "external tests" interface in FCOS and if we can retain that API, that'd make it much easier to move tests

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:31:41

but i don't know tmt enough to know how exactly that would fit into their setup

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:31:53

I should try out running one ext test on tmt to see the tmt limitations for our usecase

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:32:39

yeah me neither

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:33:49

tests which don't need rebooting should be easier to start. the reboot API needs tighter coordination with the harness

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:34:21

(sorry, a lot of CoreOS talk... we should probably move on to another topic :) )

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:35:10

ah right, I remember you were mentionning that reboot API stuff

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:35:34

yup, we can move to next topic

<@jcapitao:matrix.org>

15:35:47

I think I have my next step on that

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:36:09

it's all good :)

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:36:36

ok, I do have a topic, but does anyone else have some topics before I dive into mine?

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:39:24

I guess not 😂 Ok, I have to give a report up to Council sooo...

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:39:31

!topic Council update report

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:40:01

So i've been asked to give a short summary of where we are as an initiative and how we're doing. Is there anything folks want me to highlight?

<@jlebon:fedora.im>

15:41:45

I guess you can surface the CoreOS side of things. :)

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:42:32

I can!

<@walters:fedora.im>

15:44:04

Hmm...a big topic. I think we're doing OK overall, though a ton of work remains on aligning even just the Fedora derivative image based systems

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:44:28

Yeah, it's a big thing that I have to boil down

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:44:36

I think the big thing is folks are curious about how bootc fits into the march to Fedora 44

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:44:57

(hopefully so new contributors can be directed to help :) )

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:48:51

If you'd like to send me things privately, feel free to DM. Or, we can keep talking about this in the #bootc:fedoraproject.org room. I'll share the report when I get it together (should be a single page or a slide or two) with everyone.

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:48:59

meanwhile, in our last 10-15, open floor

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:49:02

!topic open floor

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:57:27

all right, last call for open floor? I'll close this down here if I don't see anyone typing :P

<@nimbinatus:matrix.org>

15:58:48

!endmeeting