2025-09-02 15:01:12 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !startmeeting Fedora bootc Initiative
2025-09-02 15:01:14 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-02 15:01:12 UTC
2025-09-02 15:01:14 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora bootc Initiative'
2025-09-02 15:01:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2025-09-02 15:01:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-02 15:01:28 <@rsturla:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-02 15:01:30 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (rsturla)
2025-09-02 15:01:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> well hello to you too zodbot
2025-09-02 15:01:44 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-02 15:01:45 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-02 15:01:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-09-02 15:01:48 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers
2025-09-02 15:01:52 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> there we go
2025-09-02 15:01:58 <@jeckersb:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-02 15:02:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> John Eckersberg (jeckersb)
2025-09-02 15:02:02 <@jmarrero:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-02 15:02:05 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Joseph Marrero (jmarrero)
2025-09-02 15:03:20 <@walters:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-02 15:03:21 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Colin Walters (walters)
2025-09-02 15:06:47 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic coreos convergence (standing topic)
2025-09-02 15:07:00 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> y'all have some stuff to talk about for coreos?
2025-09-02 15:09:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-02 15:09:59 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (jlebon)
2025-09-02 15:10:16 <@walters:fedora.im> I see some small progress glancing at recent discussions
2025-09-02 15:10:42 <@jlebon:fedora.im> after f44, we've cut over f43, but still figuring out signing
2025-09-02 15:10:42 <@jlebon:fedora.im> looks like i joined just in time :)
2025-09-02 15:11:05 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> !hi
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2025-09-02 15:11:24 <@jlebon:fedora.im> the signing infrastructure is in the process of being rewritten to properly support sigstore, but we're trying to not block on that
2025-09-02 15:11:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> there's also the konflux work of course, which signs things with... a key? but it's not clear how authoritative that key is currently
2025-09-02 15:13:03 <@walters:fedora.im> is there a link for the signing rewrite?
2025-09-02 15:13:06 <@jlebon:fedora.im> and we're still baking the konflux work
2025-09-02 15:13:06 <@jlebon:fedora.im> currently, i'm looking at just continuing to use robosignatory and the c/image support for gpg key verification
2025-09-02 15:13:23 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> I think it's a key at Konflux cluster level i.e Fedora one, but I'm still unsure TBH
2025-09-02 15:13:31 <@jlebon:fedora.im> Colin Walters: not sure, but jcline is working on it. some details are on his blog: https://www.jcline.org/
2025-09-02 15:14:09 <@jlebon:fedora.im> actually yes, there's also https://github.com/fedora-infra/siguldry
2025-09-02 15:14:35 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://github.com/fedora-infra/siguldry
2025-09-02 15:16:05 <@jlebon:fedora.im> the main hiccup with robosignatory currently is that it creates detached signatures but we need an inline signature for c/image. so likely will need to add another interface to robosignatory for it
2025-09-02 15:17:08 <@jlebon:fedora.im> on a positive note, both f44 and f43 now build and pass tests with the buildah path
2025-09-02 15:17:15 <@jlebon:fedora.im> on all arches
2025-09-02 15:20:50 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> and what about https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48 ? is there blockers or prerequisites preventing us to start working on it ?
2025-09-02 15:21:01 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48
2025-09-02 15:21:39 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> I'm asking because at some point we'd need it to be able to run tests in Konflux i.e with TestingFarm/tmt
2025-09-02 15:22:58 <@jlebon:fedora.im> jcapitao: shorter term, in theory shouldn't we be able to run kola tests (assuming the builders support KVM)?
2025-09-02 15:25:15 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> well, that option was kind of discarded https://gitlab.com/fedora/infrastructure/konflux/infra-deployments/-/issues/19
2025-09-02 15:26:00 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> still running tests on Jenkins would be shorter term I'd say
2025-09-02 15:27:40 <@jlebon:fedora.im> yeah, agree
2025-09-02 15:28:29 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> for clarification, I can start working on https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/48 but I'd need some direction :)
2025-09-02 15:29:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> i think it might be good to get together with tmt maintainers
2025-09-02 15:30:25 <@jlebon:fedora.im> notably we really like the "external tests" interface in FCOS and if we can retain that API, that'd make it much easier to move tests
2025-09-02 15:31:41 <@jlebon:fedora.im> but i don't know tmt enough to know how exactly that would fit into their setup
2025-09-02 15:31:53 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> I should try out running one ext test on tmt to see the tmt limitations for our usecase
2025-09-02 15:32:39 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> yeah me neither
2025-09-02 15:33:49 <@jlebon:fedora.im> tests which don't need rebooting should be easier to start. the reboot API needs tighter coordination with the harness
2025-09-02 15:34:21 <@jlebon:fedora.im> (sorry, a lot of CoreOS talk... we should probably move on to another topic :) )
2025-09-02 15:35:10 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> ah right, I remember you were mentionning that reboot API stuff
2025-09-02 15:35:34 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> yup, we can move to next topic
2025-09-02 15:35:47 <@jcapitao:matrix.org> I think I have my next step on that 
2025-09-02 15:36:09 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> it's all good :)
2025-09-02 15:36:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ok, I do have a topic, but does anyone else have some topics before I dive into mine?
2025-09-02 15:39:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I guess not 😂 Ok, I have to give a report up to Council sooo...
2025-09-02 15:39:31 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic Council update report
2025-09-02 15:40:01 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> So i've been asked to give a short summary of where we are as an initiative and how we're doing. Is there anything folks want me to highlight?
2025-09-02 15:41:45 <@jlebon:fedora.im> I guess you can surface the CoreOS side of things. :)
2025-09-02 15:42:32 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I can!
2025-09-02 15:44:04 <@walters:fedora.im> Hmm...a big topic. I think we're doing OK overall, though a ton of work remains on aligning even just the Fedora derivative image based systems
2025-09-02 15:44:28 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Yeah, it's a big thing that I have to boil down
2025-09-02 15:44:36 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I think the big thing is folks are curious about how bootc fits into the march to Fedora 44
2025-09-02 15:44:57 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> (hopefully so new contributors can be directed to help :) )
2025-09-02 15:48:51 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> If you'd like to send me things privately, feel free to DM. Or, we can keep talking about this in the #bootc:fedoraproject.org room. I'll share the report when I get it together (should be a single page or a slide or two) with everyone.
2025-09-02 15:48:59 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> meanwhile, in our last 10-15, open floor
2025-09-02 15:49:02 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic open floor
2025-09-02 15:57:27 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> all right, last call for open floor? I'll close this down here if I don't see anyone typing :P
2025-09-02 15:58:48 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !endmeeting