2025-09-03 17:59:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting EPEL (2025-09-03)
2025-09-03 17:59:41 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-03 17:59:40 UTC
2025-09-03 17:59:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'EPEL (2025-09-03)'
2025-09-03 17:59:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname epel
2025-09-03 17:59:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-09-03 17:59:46 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now epel
2025-09-03 18:00:48 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-03 18:00:49 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Carl George (carlwgeorge) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 18:01:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Carl George 
2025-09-03 18:01:48 <@dherrera:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-03 18:01:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Diego Herrera (dherrera) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 18:01:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Diego Herrera 
2025-09-03 18:01:59 <@davide:cavalca.name> !hi
2025-09-03 18:02:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Davide Cavalca (dcavalca) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 18:02:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Davide Cavalca 
2025-09-03 18:03:05 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-03 18:03:06 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> !hi
2025-09-03 18:03:08 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neil Hanlon (neil) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 18:03:10 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-09-03 18:03:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Neil Hanlon and Conan Kudo 
2025-09-03 18:04:11 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-03 18:04:12 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Jonathan Wright (jonathanspw)
2025-09-03 18:04:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Jonathan Wright 
2025-09-03 18:04:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/epel/issues?tags=meeting&status=Open
2025-09-03 18:04:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic EPEL Issues https://pagure.io/epel/issues
2025-09-03 18:04:39 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> morning
2025-09-03 18:04:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Morning nirik 
2025-09-03 18:04:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We have 3 open items today.  
2025-09-03 18:05:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If anyone has a preference for what is first, speak quickly, or I'll choose in a minute.
2025-09-03 18:05:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the rust thing will probably be quickest
2025-09-03 18:05:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good to me
2025-09-03 18:06:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 348
2025-09-03 18:06:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-09-03 18:06:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #348** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/348):__RFC: "incompatible" rust-matchers update in EPEL 10._ to fix CVE-2025-58160_*
2025-09-03 18:06:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 18 hours ago
2025-09-03 18:06:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a day ago by decathorpe
2025-09-03 18:06:04 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-09-03 18:07:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i didn't yet put it in a comment, but i'm +1, it seems reasonable to me
2025-09-03 18:07:37 <@tdawson:fedora.im> This hasn't been there for a week yet, so we can't really vote on it today.
2025-09-03 18:07:40 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Yeah, after reading, +1 here
2025-09-03 18:07:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But ya, it's very staight forward to me.
2025-09-03 18:08:13 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> oh to be clear, i'm in favor for the epel10 branch, leaning towards no for 10.0/10.1
2025-09-03 18:08:39 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> the cve is rated low btw
2025-09-03 18:09:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thanks, I was about to look it up.  If it's a low, then I agree.  10.2 - yes.  10.1 and 10.0 no.
2025-09-03 18:10:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well ... I'm fuzzy on 10.1 really, I could go either way.
2025-09-03 18:10:46 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if this were rhel 10.1, i think it would be a no, so i think epel 10.1 should be the same
2025-09-03 18:11:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> If they get it done before RHEL 10.1 is released, that would be good for me.  After it's released, then ya, I think it would need to wait.
2025-09-03 18:13:24 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Any other opinions on the 10.1 discussion.  I'm not really feeling very strong about my opinion.
2025-09-03 18:14:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I also think they need to send an email to epel-devel, I'm not seeing one, unless I missed it.
2025-09-03 18:14:42 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i can comment summarizing this on the ticket and ask for the mailing list post round out the incompat process
2025-09-03 18:14:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sounds good.  Thank you.
2025-09-03 18:15:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Everyone ok moving onto the next open issue?  
2025-09-03 18:15:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm goign to pick "group cleanup" ... I hope that one will be quick also.
2025-09-03 18:15:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 345
2025-09-03 18:16:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 6 days ago
2025-09-03 18:16:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #345** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/345):**EPEL group cleanup**
2025-09-03 18:16:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-09-03 18:16:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** carlwgeorge
2025-09-03 18:16:00 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** a week ago by carlwgeorge
2025-09-03 18:16:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Stephen J Smoogen 
2025-09-03 18:16:38 <@smooge:fedora.im> is this please stop the emails to the epel-packagers-sig@lists.fedoraproject.org list
2025-09-03 18:16:52 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> smooge is here just in time to comment on ancient epel groups
2025-09-03 18:17:16 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> if i drop all the members, then i think you'll stop getting the emails
2025-09-03 18:17:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Stephen J Smoogen: Yep ... although the only way we're going to be able to do that, is to take you off the list.
2025-09-03 18:18:01 <@smooge:fedora.im> well the list is a mailman group which gets bugzilla items forwarded to it
2025-09-03 18:18:13 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> -1 anything that gives people less email. emails are important!
2025-09-03 18:18:31 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> the signal to noise on this list is....bad
2025-09-03 18:18:34 <@smooge:fedora.im> i tried removing myself from the list but it was not possible for some reason
2025-09-03 18:19:06 <@smooge:fedora.im> and the list gets every email for a bugzilla for a package which is in any branch of epel
2025-09-03 18:19:16 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> is the mailman group not the same as the fas group?
2025-09-03 18:19:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> you should be able to unsubscribe
2025-09-03 18:19:26 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> mailman and fas have no integration
2025-09-03 18:19:29 <@nhanlon:beeper.com> http://sieve.info/ ! _runs away before he's slapped_
2025-09-03 18:19:58 <@smooge:fedora.im> it is different from the fas group
2025-09-03 18:20:47 <@smooge:fedora.im> nirik: I tried but I got a lot of errors
2025-09-03 18:20:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no
2025-09-03 18:21:02 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> would you like me to unsubscribe you?
2025-09-03 18:21:38 <@smooge:fedora.im> please I tried when I had superuser mailman powers and it wouldn't so hopefully it will listen to you
2025-09-03 18:22:00 <@smooge:fedora.im> i mean all you have to say is "discussion.fedoraproject.org is coming for you mailman"
2025-09-03 18:22:23 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 😦
2025-09-03 18:22:58 <@smooge:fedora.im> so the fas group is different so back to the fas group discussion
2025-09-03 18:23:11 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> at the very least, it sounds like no one is opposed to me emptying out epel-cabal, epel-wranglers, and epelproject.  how do we feel about epel-packagers-sig?
2025-09-03 18:23:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Getting back to what is in the issue.  How do people feel about Carl removing everyone from those FAS groups?
2025-09-03 18:23:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine with it.
2025-09-03 18:23:32 <@davide:cavalca.name> fine by me
2025-09-03 18:23:40 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> the epel-packagers-group does come in handy.  it's let me help people plenty of times
2025-09-03 18:24:00 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> Stephen J Smoogen: " The selected members have been unsubscribed "
2025-09-03 18:24:49 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> sure, but we've already voted to deprecate it.  so do we move forward with dropping members as the next step?
2025-09-03 18:25:04 <@tdawson:fedora.im> What about some of the older ones?  epel-cabal epel-wranglers and epelproject ?
2025-09-03 18:25:14 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> Yeah I know.  I have mixed feelings about dropping it, but indeed we might as well do the deed.
2025-09-03 18:25:20 <@smooge:fedora.im> please kill them if they aren't being used
2025-09-03 18:25:25 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> meh, let's do it
2025-09-03 18:25:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> though I like epel-cabal as a name :P
2025-09-03 18:26:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm a little concerned about epelproject ... if that goes away, are we no longer a Fedora Group/Project/EPIC/whatever we are ?
2025-09-03 18:26:32 <@smooge:fedora.im> We can always move over to CentOS
2025-09-03 18:26:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> to be clear this doesn't involve deleting any groups, just removing the members
2025-09-03 18:26:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> 💢
2025-09-03 18:26:51 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I don't think that group is used by anything.
2025-09-03 18:27:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Then I'm still in favor of removing all the members.
2025-09-03 18:28:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> oof
2025-09-03 18:28:28 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i'd vote for a smooge committee re-election
2025-09-03 18:29:34 <@smooge:fedora.im> anyway, I think most of those were ideas which were trying to come up with things that Carl George fixed with the 10.x builds
2025-09-03 18:30:40 <@smooge:fedora.im> nirik: thanks I just got the "You have been unsubscribed from the Epel-packagers-sig mailing list" 
2025-09-03 18:30:42 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, the only "wait" votes I'm seeing is concerning the epel-packagers-sig ... do we want to wait a bit more before clearning that one out?
2025-09-03 18:30:55 <@smooge:fedora.im> I am not sure anyone should be subscribed to it 
2025-09-03 18:31:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm fine with all of them being cleared out, I'm just saying there was a couple people who were still using it.  But they also didn't say too much.
2025-09-03 18:32:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> nah, clear it out
2025-09-03 18:32:24 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> no real reason to wait
2025-09-03 18:32:42 <@smooge:fedora.im> so there are two differen epel-packagers-sig. One in FAS and one in mailman. I was talking about the mailman3 one
2025-09-03 18:32:57 <@smooge:fedora.im> I don't have an opinion on the FAS one
2025-09-03 18:33:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ah, ok.
2025-09-03 18:33:14 <@smooge:fedora.im> so would be fine with whatever happens
2025-09-03 18:34:27 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> while the fas group exists the bugs will cc to the list... even if there's no one there subscribed.
2025-09-03 18:34:32 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> but that can be a later thing
2025-09-03 18:34:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Since there was some feedback.  I'd feel better with a vote.   +1 - clear them all out  ::  -1 - leave epel-packagers-sig
2025-09-03 18:35:03 <@tdawson:fedora.im> +1
2025-09-03 18:35:44 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> +1
2025-09-03 18:37:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think we're looking people.  Conan Kudo Jonathan Wright Diego Herrera nirik    Do ya'll mind giving a formal vote on this so we can move on?
2025-09-03 18:37:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> +1
2025-09-03 18:37:31 <@dherrera:fedora.im> if I can vote, then +1
2025-09-03 18:37:33 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> +1
2025-09-03 18:37:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think we're loosing people.  Conan Kudo Jonathan Wright Diego Herrera nirik    Do ya'll mind giving a formal vote on this so we can move on?
2025-09-03 18:37:38 <@jonathanspw:fedora.im> +1
2025-09-03 18:38:03 <@davide:cavalca.name> +1
2025-09-03 18:38:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !agreed the voting was unanamous - All the epel FAS groups in that issue will be cleared out.
2025-09-03 18:39:38 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'm going to move on.
2025-09-03 18:39:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !epel 347
2025-09-03 18:39:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Opened:** 6 days ago by carlwgeorge
2025-09-03 18:39:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Assignee:** Not Assigned
2025-09-03 18:39:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> **epel #347** (https://pagure.io/epel/issue/347):**EPEL vs FESCo stalled process**
2025-09-03 18:39:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> 
2025-09-03 18:39:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> ● **Last Updated:** 5 days ago
2025-09-03 18:40:36 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We talked about this issue last week, and I see that there was some comments in the issue.
2025-09-03 18:40:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Carl George: Was there something in particular you wanted to talk about?
2025-09-03 18:40:58 <@dherrera:fedora.im> if I can vote, then +1 (I imagine you meant to tag Davide though)
2025-09-03 18:41:25 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i definitely git that the overall sentiment was "not right now", but i am curious to see how malleable the fesco process is so we don't need both
2025-09-03 18:42:29 <@smooge:fedora.im> i would say wait until something has worked its way through and the FESCO process has been proven
2025-09-03 18:42:40 <@smooge:fedora.im> or 'fixed' because it ran into something
2025-09-03 18:43:49 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> I'm not aware of anyone using this process yet on the fedora side...
2025-09-03 18:44:27 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> we haven't had a reason to invoke it yet
2025-09-03 18:44:54 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> next time i have a stalled package, i'm happy to use the fesco process instead of the epel process and see how it feels
2025-09-03 18:45:26 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> it seems like the sticking point is the addition of an explicit fesco vote
2025-09-03 18:45:30 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> or perhaps people aren't aware they can use it. Not sure. ;)
2025-09-03 18:45:32 <@smooge:fedora.im> works for me. thanks for being a guinea pig carl
2025-09-03 18:46:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> There is one major difference between Fedora dist-git and EPEL dist-git, and that is branching.  If a package is in f43, by default it will go to f44.  While in EPEL by default it won't.  That allows many more people in Fedora to not be "blocked".  Thus I don't see the Fedora policy being used much.
2025-09-03 18:47:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Sorry, by the time I got all that written out, the conversation had moved on.  😀
2025-09-03 18:48:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Is there anything else about this that needs to be talked about?   Or are we ok moving on.
2025-09-03 18:49:21 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> we can move on, i'll comment on this issue too to update the state of things and mention my intent to try out the fesco process
2025-09-03 18:49:24 <@smooge:fedora.im> need a "WAIT FOR TROY" flag
2025-09-03 18:49:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Moving on .... and I don't even have a good comment for the flag ...
2025-09-03 18:50:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic General Issues / Open Floor
2025-09-03 18:50:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We're a little short on time so I'm going straight to open floor.
2025-09-03 18:50:30 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But if someone has some older business they want to bring up, they can.
2025-09-03 18:51:07 <@smooge:fedora.im> nothing from me other than I now know what sciatica feels like and why my grandparents were always grumpy
2025-09-03 18:52:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I letterally told some young kids to get off my lawn the other day ... so I think I might be catching up to you in the age bracket.
2025-09-03 18:52:35 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> i wanted to bring this one up for awareness
2025-09-03 18:52:37 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12737
2025-09-03 18:53:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ooohh ... we are getting closer.
2025-09-03 18:54:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anything else before we call it a meeting?
2025-09-03 18:54:54 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> tldr, do we want forge.fpo/epel/esc and forge.fpo/epel/docs, or forge.fpo/subprojects/epel, or something else?
2025-09-03 18:55:45 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> forgejo apparently doesn't do nested projects it seems
2025-09-03 18:56:15 <@smooge:fedora.im> so does that mean forge.fpo/epel_esc or forge.fpo/epel/esc?
2025-09-03 18:56:17 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> so probibly epel/foo epel/bar
2025-09-03 18:56:38 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> org / projects (but not org / projects / subprojectA)
2025-09-03 18:56:59 <@smooge:fedora.im> got it.. I vote for epel/esc
2025-09-03 18:57:12 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> epel/esc was my leaning as well
2025-09-03 18:57:18 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> escape from epel
2025-09-03 18:57:27 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> but i do know at one point someone said they liked the docs and esc issues in the same place
2025-09-03 18:58:12 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> sounds like a infocom game. ;)
2025-09-03 18:58:22 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> main thing to keep in mind is we don't get top level repos, just orgs
2025-09-03 18:58:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> What's wrong with forge.fpo/epel  ?
2025-09-03 18:58:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, I said this a while back
2025-09-03 18:58:43 <@carlwgeorge:fedora.im> no top level repos
2025-09-03 18:58:52 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ohh ... ok
2025-09-03 18:58:52 <@nirik:matrix.scrye.com> nothing. that would be the org...
2025-09-03 18:58:55 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> because fesco doesn't do this and we keep forgetting to manage the docs
2025-09-03 18:59:47 <@tdawson:fedora.im> so .... forge.pfo/epel/epel is ok ??   I'm not saying I want that, but is that ok ?
2025-09-03 18:59:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-09-03 19:00:09 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> forge.fpo/epel/esc
2025-09-03 19:00:13 <@tdawson:fedora.im> wierd  ... but if that's the rules ...
2025-09-03 19:00:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> escape from epel in the fedora forge
2025-09-03 19:00:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Looks like our time is up
2025-09-03 19:01:01 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Thank you all for the good discussions today.  And thank you very much for all you do for EPEL and it's community.
2025-09-03 19:01:09 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'll talk to ya'll next week if not sooner.
2025-09-03 19:01:20 <@dherrera:fedora.im> cya ^^
2025-09-03 19:01:54 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting