2025-09-23 15:00:27 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !startmeeting Fedora bootc Initiative
2025-09-23 15:00:30 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-09-23 15:00:27 UTC
2025-09-23 15:00:31 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Fedora bootc Initiative'
2025-09-23 15:00:38 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic roll call
2025-09-23 15:00:43 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-23 15:00:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Laura Santamaria (nimbinatus) - she / her / hers
2025-09-23 15:01:00 <@rsturla:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-23 15:01:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> None (rsturla)
2025-09-23 15:01:19 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Hello o/
2025-09-23 15:01:43 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-09-23 15:01:46 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-09-23 15:03:17 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> (I'll give people another couple minutes to trickle in)
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2025-09-23 15:03:58 <@cverna_:matrix.org> !hi
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2025-09-23 15:06:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I can help you with that later :) Send me a DM
2025-09-23 15:06:24 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> anyone else?
2025-09-23 15:06:43 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Let me try that again :) 
2025-09-23 15:06:48 <@cverna_:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-23 15:06:50 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Clement Verna (cverna) - he / him / his
2025-09-23 15:06:56 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> 🎉
2025-09-23 15:09:07 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> !hi
2025-09-23 15:09:09 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Sean Thrailkill (snthrailkill)
2025-09-23 15:11:39 <@rsturla:fedora.im> https://matrix.to/#/!qFKhufhrzYxhwZuHRY:fedoraproject.org/$iwTcgzavgOjiNur1P1yLVkQdzT_NvesPc7xfB1q1Ifs?via=fedoraproject.org&via=matrix.org&via=fedora.im
2025-09-23 15:11:39 <@rsturla:fedora.im> There was a discussion about folding this meeting into the FCOS one.  I assume that hasn't already happened?
2025-09-23 15:12:20 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I don't think so, but that's a good topic :-)
2025-09-23 15:12:22 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ok, I'm going to move the agenda along, but if you join late, you can still register as present :)
2025-09-23 15:12:41 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Ah, hm. I haven't seen that (I've been offline :sheepish: )
2025-09-23 15:12:48 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> let's talk about that first
2025-09-23 15:12:58 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic bootc meeting and FCOS meeting
2025-09-23 15:13:50 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> So on this topic, the last I heard was the Fedora bootc initiative was going to get re-upped for another year as the general image mode idea was going to continue
2025-09-23 15:13:56 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> outside of CoreOS
2025-09-23 15:14:17 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> but I've been offline due to travel and things the past two weeks
2025-09-23 15:14:23 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I may be behind the times
2025-09-23 15:15:03 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Personally I am in favor of having an Image Mode meeting and have FCOS topics be a section on the agenda of that meeting
2025-09-23 15:15:08 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> Yeah in the chat we discussed that if we did combine meetings then it would be rebranded to something like "image mode" meetings as to include both topics. 
2025-09-23 15:15:55 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> oh, before I forget... !link https://matrix.to/#/!qFKhufhrzYxhwZuHRY:fedoraproject.org/$iwTcgzavgOjiNur1P1yLVkQdzT_NvesPc7xfB1q1Ifs?via=fedoraproject.org&via=matrix.org&via=fedora.im
2025-09-23 15:16:07 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> (dear meetbot, please work like that.... bugger)
2025-09-23 15:16:11 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://matrix.to/#/!qFKhufhrzYxhwZuHRY:fedoraproject.org/$iwTcgzavgOjiNur1P1yLVkQdzT_NvesPc7xfB1q1Ifs?via=fedoraproject.org&via=matrix.org&via=fedora.im
2025-09-23 15:16:55 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> anyway, wouldn't FCOS be a general wider topic, though? Image mode for FCOS seems a bit of a small slice of the work for FCOS
2025-09-23 15:18:48 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> That is a concern. I personally haven't wanted to get started with CoreOS and just use bootc fedora images. So image mode in my mind is completely divorced from FCOS. Not sure how others feel about the overlap there
2025-09-23 15:19:31 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Ideally more and more of the FCOS work inherits from fedora-bootc, as of Fedora 43, CoreOS getting close to fedora-bootc
2025-09-23 15:20:11 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Ideally more and more of the FCOS work inherits from fedora-bootc, as of Fedora 43, CoreOS is getting close to fedora-bootc
2025-09-23 15:20:55 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Could this be something we experiment with? for like 2-3months and see how it goes?
2025-09-23 15:22:55 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Let me check in with Jef later today as I think I'm supposed to start reporting up what we've done as the initiative overall in the project. See if that makes the most sense for the governance structure we're currently working in 🤔
2025-09-23 15:23:22 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Laura to check in with Jef about whether we should experiment with merging meetings to make one larger image mode meeting
2025-09-23 15:23:33 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> meanwhile, let's go talk about the forge topic
2025-09-23 15:23:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic Forgejo move
2025-09-23 15:23:48 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/75
2025-09-23 15:23:58 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> Clément Verna: want to kick this one off?
2025-09-23 15:25:02 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Sure, so Fedora has a new forge (self-hosted) based on the Forgejo project. The idea is to migrate from the existing pagure.io to that new instance
2025-09-23 15:25:36 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I am not sure what will happen about the Fedora org on gitlab but I was wondering if we want to move to forgejo
2025-09-23 15:26:29 <@cverna_:matrix.org> One benefit for moving, is that IIUC the forge will have fedora hosted workers to run things like GitHub actions etc ...
2025-09-23 15:26:36 <@cverna_:matrix.org> which is appealing for fedora-bootc
2025-09-23 15:31:09 <@rsturla:fedora.im>  
2025-09-23 15:31:09 <@rsturla:fedora.im> I think it would be good to find out the long-term plan for the GitLab instance.  It would be very nice if the Forgejo instance becomes the single place for all Fedora projects to centralise on.
2025-09-23 15:31:09 <@rsturla:fedora.im> Is there a migration strategy/tooling available to aid with moving issues and repos over?
2025-09-23 15:33:00 <@hricky:fedora.im> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-forge-update/164338
2025-09-23 15:33:02 <@cverna_:matrix.org> nimbinatus: maybe something to check with Jef too, about the plans for the GitLab org? I suspect it will stay there
2025-09-23 15:33:20 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I can ask, for sure
2025-09-23 15:33:37 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action Laura to check with Jef regarding GitLab org and Forgejo
2025-09-23 15:33:44 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-forge-update/164338
2025-09-23 15:34:21 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I don't know if there is tooling for migrating issues, that's a good question
2025-09-23 15:34:42 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Atomic Desktops have an org on forgejo https://forge.fedoraproject.org/atomic
2025-09-23 15:34:57 <@rsturla:fedora.im> I guess a first step would be to reserve the namespace either way.  Even if it's simply to add a README directing people over to the GitLab
2025-09-23 15:35:25 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> fun decision time: which namespace should we reserve :p 
2025-09-23 15:36:10 <@rsturla:fedora.im> Do we have the relevant stakeholders here to make these decisions?  Not quite sure how things work.
2025-09-23 15:36:23 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I have a secret plan/conspiracy to push for image mode vs package mode in Fedora, so I would vote for image mode
2025-09-23 15:36:26 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> That's a great question. We have some, but not all
2025-09-23 15:37:00 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Maybe we can add proposals in the ticket and have folks weigh in there
2025-09-23 15:37:08 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I think that's the best approach
2025-09-23 15:37:26 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !action All to add proposals for namespaces for Forgejo to the ticket
2025-09-23 15:38:08 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I'm guessing we're catching people offline for various travel/holidays/catching up after kids going back to school, to be honest
2025-09-23 15:41:07 <@rsturla:fedora.im> Is Fedora also going for the "image mode" branding?  So far I've only seen that in the context of RHEL
2025-09-23 15:41:35 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> I can answer on that. Technically bootc is a CNCF trademark now, so it gets wonky trying to work that in.
2025-09-23 15:42:22 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> image mode can be general/generic (package mode/image mode), so I think that was the general thought process
2025-09-23 15:43:21 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Yes, I think it helps also making the separation between bootc the application/binary and the idea/workflow behind image mode
2025-09-23 15:43:35 <@cverna_:matrix.org> ie using OCI containers to build and release the OS
2025-09-23 15:45:51 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> That makes sense to me. I can get behind that
2025-09-23 15:47:00 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> All right, are there more topics folks want to chat about? I could kick up the CoreOS convergence topic, but I'm not seeing the CoreOS folks usually chatting about that online here.
2025-09-23 15:47:30 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I can give a quick update
2025-09-23 15:47:42 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Or Hristo Marinov too :) 
2025-09-23 15:47:59 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> then let's do it :)
2025-09-23 15:48:05 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !topic coreos convergence
2025-09-23 15:48:58 <@cverna_:matrix.org> The big news is that the FCOS next stream is officially switched over to F43, which includes now being built via podman build (using fedora-bootc), and leveraging signature verification on container pulls.
2025-09-23 15:49:42 <@cverna_:matrix.org> We are having Fedora Test Days this week, if you want to participate and help testing join #coreos:fedoraproject.org 
2025-09-23 15:50:09 <@cverna_:matrix.org> https://matrix.to/#/!BjidGPFnXfJdCVtFOc:fedoraproject.org/$aNgj0ZmIacjxkHLoXpPlWUts2zPxb111v5F5ZLV8dnc?via=matrix.org&via=fedora.im&via=kde.org
2025-09-23 15:51:24 <@cverna_:matrix.org> I think that's all, Hristo Marinov do you think about something else?
2025-09-23 15:54:06 <@snthrailkill:matrix.org> Exciting news! A big step closer! Thanks for the update 
2025-09-23 15:54:51 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> ^^ this :D 
2025-09-23 15:55:40 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> all right, winding down the meeting. Last call for anything to get added to the transcript :) 
2025-09-23 15:57:46 <@rsturla:fedora.im> Thanks for running nimbinatus !
2025-09-23 15:57:56 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> My pleasure :)
2025-09-23 15:58:03 <@cverna_:matrix.org> Thanks nimbinatus 
2025-09-23 15:58:14 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> you're welcome!
2025-09-23 15:58:16 <@nimbinatus:matrix.org> !endmeeting