2025-10-08 15:30:10 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !startmeeting fedora_coreos_meeting
2025-10-08 15:30:11 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-10-08 15:30:10 UTC
2025-10-08 15:30:11 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fedora_coreos_meeting'
2025-10-08 15:30:23 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-10-08 15:30:59 <@aaradhak:matrix.org> !hi aaradhak
2025-10-08 15:31:01 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Aashish Radhakrishnan (aaradhak)
2025-10-08 15:31:10 <@hricky:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-08 15:31:11 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Hristo Marinov (hricky) - he / him / his
2025-10-08 15:32:21 <@ravanelli:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-08 15:32:23 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Renata Ravanelli (ravanelli)
2025-10-08 15:32:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !hi
2025-10-08 15:32:45 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Dusty Mabe (dustymabe) - he / him / his
2025-10-08 15:33:00 <@spresti:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-08 15:33:02 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Steven Presti (spresti)
2025-10-08 15:33:43 <@mnguyen:fedora.im> !hi mnguyen
2025-10-08 15:33:44 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michael Nguyen (mnguyen)
2025-10-08 15:34:31 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Action items from last meeting
2025-10-08 15:35:22 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I'm not seeing any open action items from the last meeting
2025-10-08 15:36:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Review Fedora 43 Release Schedule
2025-10-08 15:36:10 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-43/f-43-key-tasks.html
2025-10-08 15:36:19 <@ydesouza:fedora.im> !hi
2025-10-08 15:36:20 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Yasmin Valim de Souza (ydesouza)
2025-10-08 15:36:29 <@marmijo:fedora.im> AIUI, we're now in Final Freeze
2025-10-08 15:36:48 <@marmijo:fedora.im> We'll be doing weekly releases of `next` from now until final release
2025-10-08 15:37:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Any other comments for this section?
2025-10-08 15:38:36 <@marmijo:fedora.im> There is a change I'm going to make to the Fedora rebase tracker to move some items around, then I'll start opening tracker issues for F44
2025-10-08 15:38:55 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic tracker: Fedora 43 changes considerations
2025-10-08 15:39:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/1934
2025-10-08 15:39:19 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I ran the script and some new changes were reported, as well as some that were deferred to F44.
2025-10-08 15:40:09 <@marmijo:fedora.im> change 131
2025-10-08 15:40:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/2GbootPartition
2025-10-08 15:40:22 <@marmijo:fedora.im> this one came through within the last day or two
2025-10-08 15:40:36 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> yeah. late breaking change 
2025-10-08 15:40:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Timothée Ravier (travier): mentioned it in the CoreOS channel
2025-10-08 15:41:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> from Timothée Ravier (travier): "...we should be good from the FCOS side of things. It might be time to re-open the increasing the /boot partition discussion for FCOS as well"
2025-10-08 15:43:46 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Moving on to change 132
2025-10-08 15:43:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GolangPackagesVendoredByDefault
2025-10-08 15:45:26 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think we should consider updating any packages we own that are currently unbundled 
2025-10-08 15:46:24 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/butane/pull-request/27 
2025-10-08 15:46:38 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> i.e. https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/butane/pull-request/27  is one open PR to do this to butane
2025-10-08 15:47:49 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I can open an issue to track this effort. We can investigate what other packages require this change
2025-10-08 15:48:28 <@spresti:fedora.im> That would be awesome, we have quite a few golang packages not sure if any of them need to be worked on because of this.
2025-10-08 15:51:17 <@marmijo:fedora.im> change 239
2025-10-08 15:51:18 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Greenboot_RS_Change_Proposal
2025-10-08 15:52:34 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> we don't ship greenboot today, so nothing for us here
2025-10-08 15:54:34 <@marmijo:fedora.im> and change 240 wont affect us either
2025-10-08 15:54:36 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NodejsAlternativesSystem
2025-10-08 15:55:03 <@marmijo:fedora.im> and change 240 wont affect ~~us~~ FCOS either
2025-10-08 15:55:40 <@marmijo:fedora.im> That wraps it up for F43 changes
2025-10-08 15:55:43 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Same I would think 
2025-10-08 15:56:05 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I don't see any other topics for today, so let's move on to open floor
2025-10-08 15:56:25 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-10-08 15:57:26 <@spresti:fedora.im> I wrote a summary for butane / ignition ux here => https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/2006#issuecomment-3373351405
2025-10-08 15:57:26 <@spresti:fedora.im> 
2025-10-08 15:57:26 <@spresti:fedora.im> So there was an action item from last week, I dont think it was captured but 
2025-10-08 15:58:01 <@spresti:fedora.im> I also reached out to tormath1 via messages, and github, and he said he would be looking into it when he has time
2025-10-08 15:58:15 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Thank you for doing that spresti! 
2025-10-08 15:58:43 <@spresti:fedora.im> Np :) 
2025-10-08 15:58:47 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I'd say let's hope the feedback comes through, but we shouldn't wait on it either. At least for doing investigation
2025-10-08 15:59:17 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Unrelated: I wanted to draw attention to the bootc initiative discussion in https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/renewing-the-fedora-bootc-now-image-mode-initiative/167131/25 
2025-10-08 16:00:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I opened https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/77 to start that discussion upstream. 
2025-10-08 16:00:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-10-08 16:00:14 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I think in order for Image Mode/bootc to become more prominent in Fedora it needs to address more the direct consume use cases - and part of that is creating boot media.
2025-10-08 16:01:12 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> I see this as very similar to what we do with our boot media in Fedora CoreOS today.
2025-10-08 16:01:55 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Heck we could even re-use the Fedora CoreOS boot media to solve this problem for Image Mode (after all FCOS, and Atomic Host before that, were the original Image Mode before Image Mode was a thing) 
2025-10-08 16:02:45 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> though, one thing I do mention in that ticket, is that the boot media for IM would probably need broader appeal (i.e. support cloud-init) 
2025-10-08 16:04:00 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> So we'd either need to create separate boot media for IM, OR additionally support cloud-init in FCOS
2025-10-08 16:05:44 <@spresti:fedora.im> Hmm, before I can really contribute/comment let me context absorb on both links. 
2025-10-08 16:06:50 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> spresti: 100% - there's a lot of info dump there.
2025-10-08 16:06:50 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> and to be clear, i'm not even sure the bootc folks want boot media (see discussions in the gitlab issue). It's just my thoughts on if they want it to be a larger thing in Fedora they'd need something like this. 
2025-10-08 16:06:50 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> 
2025-10-08 16:09:36 <@walters:fedora.im> well it's just me commenting in that issue, i'd love if other "bootc folks" did
2025-10-08 16:09:58 <@walters:fedora.im> Ideally also there's not a "they" but "we" here
2025-10-08 16:10:34 <@walters:fedora.im> I'm not opposed to dedicated images at all, but I think "we" should be focused on consolidation - does making something new help consolidate? maybe
2025-10-08 16:11:41 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> Agree. I touch on this in the last sentence of https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/77#note_2802341605 
2025-10-08 16:13:03 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> AKA - anyone reading this should feel free to drop feedback in https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/77 too! 
2025-10-08 16:14:18 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> That's all I had for Open Floor. Mostly just trying to raise awareness of discussions happening elsewhere.
2025-10-08 16:14:56 <@spresti:fedora.im> Thank you for the links, excited to read through both. Always fun to learn more. 
2025-10-08 16:19:02 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks for the links dustymabe. Do you want to do an INFO for this section?
2025-10-08 16:19:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/renewing-the-fedora-bootc-now-image-mode-initiative/167131/25
2025-10-08 16:19:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !info discussions happening upstream about furthing the bootc/Image Mode initiatives in Fedora
2025-10-08 16:19:49 <@dustymabe:matrix.org> !link https://gitlab.com/fedora/bootc/tracker/-/issues/77
2025-10-08 16:20:15 <@marmijo:fedora.im> Thanks!
2025-10-08 16:20:51 <@marmijo:fedora.im> I'll go ahead and close out the meeting if there's nothing else.
2025-10-08 16:22:00 <@spresti:fedora.im> Thank you marmijo for running the meeting!
2025-10-08 16:22:30 <@marmijo:fedora.im> !endmeeting