#meeting-1:fedoraproject.org log

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:20

!startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-12-11)

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:02:21

Meeting started at 2025-12-11 19:02:20 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:02:21

The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-12-11)'

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:29

!topic aloha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:02:29

!meetingname AltImages

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

19:02:29

The Meeting Name is now AltImages

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:02:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:02:33

Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:03:58

Hi Robby Callicotte

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:04:27

I hope you weren't without power for too long

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:04:42

I hate it when we have outages

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:04:49

No, it only was about 8 minutes

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:05:11

thats not too bad

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:05:45

My mind has a hard time figuring out how that is even a thing. It's long than a flicker, but shorter than is possible for someone to go out and fix something. But I'll take it.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:06:34

After the Texas freeze a couple of years back, I have two generators now

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:07:00

Our avg time out of power was about 4 days

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:08

One generator to thaw out your other generator? :)

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:07:30

haha

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:07:43

Or does it take two generators to completely power your house?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:08:55

nah, one is an invertor generator (I've never actually used it in an outage situaton). The other is a normal style generator that plugs into our power inlet to power most of the house

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:09:10

Ah, ok.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:09:46

I would use the invertor genny to run electronics in winter time if we lost power. the other one is the "hurricane" generator

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:10

powers most of the houst minus the computer things

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:46

I'm not seeing Conan Kudo yet ... and there isn't really much I have to say, but let's get started and maybe it will be a short meeting.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:52

I'm here

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:10:53

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

19:10:55

Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:10:59

Hi Conan Kudo

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:10:59

ah!

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:11:34

you should fix the template you have because this meeting has been called Alterative Images for a while

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:11:51

Which template?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:05

Oh ... yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:12:53

!topic Latest News

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:13:49

So, I don't really have any latest news. I haven't had a chance to work on the raw images.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:14:29

I think the only news I have is that we have hardware for risc-v ... but it's not racked yet.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:14:38

oh nice

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:14:41

there is something that you might want to poke to get backported into CentOS Stream from Fedora

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:14:54

!link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/grubby/c/482a2825c47c4fd28a18beb279a3e826461bf878?branch=rawhide

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:16

this commit makes it so image descriptions don't need to carry around the sysconfig/kernel file anymore

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:30

and more importantly, even if you still have to, you know what actually uses it

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:15:41

oh thats cool

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:15:54

without this file, kernel updates are non-functional

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:16:26

Yep, that would be nice.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:03

you might want to do that backport :)

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:18:10

or ask the rhel maintainer to pull it in

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:18:33

I was going to say, I don't own grubby ... but ya, it will make the images easier.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:19:15

so grubby didn't own this file previously?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:19:43

As far as I know, nobody did

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:19:53

wow, interesting

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:20:16

It's something we put in our kiwi image configs ... which is the reason I recognize it.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:20:32

Yep

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:22:23

Anyway, yep, I'll put that on my list, but it will probrubly be a little bit (next year)

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:23:35

So, risc-v ... it's going to bet at least late January before the hardware is racked. And then the ISO sig needs to rebuild everything ...

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:06

But once that is done, do we want to build images? or should I say, try to build images?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:24:23

I think we should at least make the attempt

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:24:40

Probrubly start with the Min image I guess.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:25:27

That sounds prudent. Any idea what kind of hardware it is? milk? something else?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:43

It would be nice if there was some type of working "desktop" hardware to test things on

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:25:57

Ya ... not milk ... just a sec ...

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:26:19

at least useful uefi seems to be more common in the riscv space than the arm one

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:26:47

I was aware of the Fedora V risc group. I think thats what they are called. Have they produced working desktops?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:26:56

Nope

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:27:03

lets pray it stays that way!

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:27:49

Well ... ok, here's the thing I didn't know until I started trying to figure out how to do a buildroot ... they keep making images (RHEL, CentOS) without any rpms.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:28:41

I have no idea how ... it hurts my head ... but when I've asked for access to their buildroots, they look at me in confusion.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:28:54

well darn

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:29:19

Anyway ... it's going to take the ISO SIG a while to build everything because we will be started from 0 rpms.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:30:00

I don't know exactly how they do the fedora ones either

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:30:59

I'm only aware of this https://riscv-koji.fedoraproject.org/koji.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:31:32

Ohh ... oh yes. I've been looking for that.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:31:35

not even sure if its really in use

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:31:49

the rawhide build target still points to f43

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:32:29

well they are building with it. just the build target mis-match

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:32:44

That's fine. If anything, I need the F42 build target, to get it close to CS10.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:34:40

Conan Kudo: when we get a risc-v repo, will kiwi do image builds for it? My mind thinks it should, but I'm not positive.

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:34:45

yes

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:34:49

Cool

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:34:49

fedora riscv already does this

<@conan_kudo:matrix.org>

19:35:01

as does fedora vforce I think

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:36:27

I'm just envisioning a KDE Plasma desktop running on risc-v

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:36:34

would be very nice

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:36:43

I totally agree

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:37:11

It's still a couple years out ... but it's something I'm excited for.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:37:49

Robby Callicotte: Are you going to be at CentOS Connect / FOSDOM ?

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:38:22

Sadly no. I am bugetting for Flock tho

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:38:55

It would be good to see you, but I totally understand.

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:39:29

I'm sure we'll get to see each other at a conf next year

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:39:39

We should be having a hyperscale / AltImages workshop at CC

<@rcallicotte:fedora.im>

19:39:43

I submitted talks to LFNW etc

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:40:18

Oh cool. I'll be at LFNW ... it's sorta the one garanteed one because I pay for myself.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:41:12

Anyway ... Do we have any other AltImages stuff to talk about?

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:15

OK, I'm going to close the meeting and give us all some extra time back.

<@tdawson:fedora.im>

19:43:34

!endmeeting