2025-12-11 19:02:20 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !startmeeting Alterative Images (2025-12-11)
2025-12-11 19:02:21 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-12-11 19:02:20 UTC
2025-12-11 19:02:21 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'Alterative Images (2025-12-11)'
2025-12-11 19:02:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic aloha
2025-12-11 19:02:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !meetingname AltImages
2025-12-11 19:02:29 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now AltImages
2025-12-11 19:02:32 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> !hi
2025-12-11 19:02:33 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte (rcallicotte) - he / him / his
2025-12-11 19:03:58 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Robby Callicotte 
2025-12-11 19:04:27 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I hope you weren't without power for too long 
2025-12-11 19:04:42 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I hate it when we have outages
2025-12-11 19:04:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> No, it only was about 8 minutes
2025-12-11 19:05:11 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> thats not too bad
2025-12-11 19:05:45 <@tdawson:fedora.im> My mind has a hard time figuring out how that is even a thing.  It's long than a flicker, but shorter than is possible for someone to go out and fix something.   But I'll take it.
2025-12-11 19:06:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> After the Texas freeze a couple of years back, I have two generators now
2025-12-11 19:07:00 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Our avg time out of power was about 4 days
2025-12-11 19:07:08 <@tdawson:fedora.im> One generator to thaw out your other generator?  :)
2025-12-11 19:07:30 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> haha
2025-12-11 19:07:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Or does it take two generators to completely power your house?  
2025-12-11 19:08:55 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> nah, one is an invertor generator (I've never actually used it in an outage situaton).  The other is a normal style generator that plugs into our power inlet to power most of the house
2025-12-11 19:09:10 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ah, ok.
2025-12-11 19:09:46 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I would use the invertor genny to run electronics in winter time if we lost power.  the other one is the "hurricane" generator
2025-12-11 19:10:10 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> powers most of the houst minus the computer things
2025-12-11 19:10:46 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I'm not seeing Conan Kudo yet ... and there isn't really much I have to say, but let's get started and maybe it will be a short meeting.
2025-12-11 19:10:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm here
2025-12-11 19:10:53 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-12-11 19:10:55 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-12-11 19:10:59 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Hi Conan Kudo 
2025-12-11 19:10:59 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> ah!
2025-12-11 19:11:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you should fix the template you have because this meeting has been called Alterative Images for a while
2025-12-11 19:11:51 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Which template?
2025-12-11 19:12:05 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh ... yep
2025-12-11 19:12:53 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !topic Latest News
2025-12-11 19:13:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, I don't really have any latest news.  I haven't had a chance to work on the raw images.
2025-12-11 19:14:29 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I think the only news I have is that we have hardware for risc-v ... but it's not racked yet.
2025-12-11 19:14:38 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh nice
2025-12-11 19:14:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there is something that you might want to poke to get backported into CentOS Stream from Fedora
2025-12-11 19:14:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/grubby/c/482a2825c47c4fd28a18beb279a3e826461bf878?branch=rawhide
2025-12-11 19:15:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this commit makes it so image descriptions don't need to carry around the sysconfig/kernel file anymore
2025-12-11 19:15:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and more importantly, even if you still have to, you know what actually uses it
2025-12-11 19:15:41 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> oh thats cool
2025-12-11 19:15:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> without this file, kernel updates are non-functional
2025-12-11 19:16:26 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Yep, that would be nice.
2025-12-11 19:18:03 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you might want to do that backport :)
2025-12-11 19:18:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> or ask the rhel maintainer to pull it in
2025-12-11 19:18:33 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I was going to say, I don't own grubby ... but ya, it will make the images easier.
2025-12-11 19:19:15 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> so grubby didn't own this file previously?
2025-12-11 19:19:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> As far as I know, nobody did
2025-12-11 19:19:53 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> wow, interesting
2025-12-11 19:20:16 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's something we put in our kiwi image configs ... which is the reason I recognize it.
2025-12-11 19:20:32 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Yep 
2025-12-11 19:22:23 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway, yep, I'll put that on my list, but it will probrubly be a little bit (next year)
2025-12-11 19:23:35 <@tdawson:fedora.im> So, risc-v ... it's going to bet at least late January before the hardware is racked.  And then the ISO sig needs to rebuild everything ...
2025-12-11 19:24:06 <@tdawson:fedora.im> But once that is done, do we want to build images?  or should I say, try to build images?
2025-12-11 19:24:23 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I think we should at least make the attempt
2025-12-11 19:24:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Probrubly start with the Min image I guess.
2025-12-11 19:25:27 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> That sounds prudent.  Any idea what kind of hardware it is?  milk? something else?
2025-12-11 19:25:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It would be nice if there was some type of working "desktop" hardware to test things on
2025-12-11 19:25:57 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ya ... not milk ... just a sec ...
2025-12-11 19:26:19 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> at least useful uefi seems to be more common in the riscv space than the arm one
2025-12-11 19:26:47 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I was aware of the Fedora V risc group. I think thats what they are called. Have they produced working desktops?
2025-12-11 19:26:56 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Nope
2025-12-11 19:27:03 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> lets pray it stays that way!
2025-12-11 19:27:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Well ... ok, here's the thing I didn't know until I started trying to figure out how to do a buildroot ... they keep making images (RHEL, CentOS) without any rpms. 
2025-12-11 19:28:41 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I have no idea how ... it hurts my head ... but when I've asked for access to their buildroots, they look at me in confusion.
2025-12-11 19:28:54 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> well darn
2025-12-11 19:29:19 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway ... it's going to take the ISO SIG a while to build everything because we will be started from 0 rpms.
2025-12-11 19:30:00 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know exactly how they do the fedora ones either
2025-12-11 19:30:59 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm only aware of this https://riscv-koji.fedoraproject.org/koji.  
2025-12-11 19:31:32 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Ohh ... oh yes.  I've been looking for that.
2025-12-11 19:31:35 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> not even sure if its really in use
2025-12-11 19:31:49 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> the rawhide build target still points to f43
2025-12-11 19:32:29 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> well they are building with it.  just the build target mis-match
2025-12-11 19:32:44 <@tdawson:fedora.im> That's fine.  If anything, I need the F42 build target, to get it close to CS10.
2025-12-11 19:34:40 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Conan Kudo: when we get a risc-v repo, will kiwi do image builds for it?   My mind thinks it should, but I'm not positive.
2025-12-11 19:34:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yes
2025-12-11 19:34:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Cool
2025-12-11 19:34:49 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> fedora riscv already does this
2025-12-11 19:35:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as does fedora vforce I think
2025-12-11 19:36:27 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm just envisioning a KDE Plasma desktop running on risc-v
2025-12-11 19:36:34 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> would be very nice
2025-12-11 19:36:43 <@tdawson:fedora.im> I totally agree
2025-12-11 19:37:11 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It's still a couple years out ... but it's something I'm excited for.
2025-12-11 19:37:49 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Robby Callicotte: Are you going to be at CentOS Connect / FOSDOM ?
2025-12-11 19:38:22 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> Sadly no.  I am bugetting for Flock tho
2025-12-11 19:38:55 <@tdawson:fedora.im> It would be good to see you, but I totally understand.
2025-12-11 19:39:29 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I'm sure we'll get to see each other at a conf next year
2025-12-11 19:39:39 <@tdawson:fedora.im> We should be having a hyperscale / AltImages workshop at CC
2025-12-11 19:39:43 <@rcallicotte:fedora.im> I submitted talks to LFNW etc
2025-12-11 19:40:18 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Oh cool.  I'll be at LFNW ... it's sorta the one garanteed one because I pay for myself.
2025-12-11 19:41:12 <@tdawson:fedora.im> Anyway ... Do we have any other AltImages stuff to talk about?
2025-12-11 19:43:15 <@tdawson:fedora.im> OK, I'm going to close the meeting and give us all some extra time back.
2025-12-11 19:43:34 <@tdawson:fedora.im> !endmeeting