2025-12-11 17:02:27 <@james:fedora.im> !startmeeting fpc

2025-12-11 17:02:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-12-11 17:02:27 UTC
2025-12-11 17:02:28 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'fpc'
2025-12-11 17:02:35 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Roll Call
2025-12-11 17:03:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-12-11 17:03:36 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-12-11 17:03:39 <@james:fedora.im> !hi
2025-12-11 17:03:40 <@zodbot:fedora.im> James Antill (james)
2025-12-11 17:05:06 <@james:fedora.im> Might be a quick last meeting of the year.
2025-12-11 17:05:14 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-12-11 17:05:15 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-12-11 17:10:52 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> !hi
2025-12-11 17:10:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Fabio Valentini (decathorpe) - he / him / his
2025-12-11 17:11:21 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I responded to your bcond question on the devel channel btw :)
2025-12-11 17:12:41 <@james:fedora.im> !topic Open Floor
2025-12-11 17:12:52 <@james:fedora.im> So ... only 4 of us, anything anyone wants to discuss?
2025-12-11 17:13:20 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I would appreciate async review of my Rust guidelines PR, but that's not urgent 
2025-12-11 17:13:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think I reviewed it?
2025-12-11 17:14:01 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> there was a ton more comments and I added a third commit with some minor fixes 
2025-12-11 17:14:38 <@james:fedora.im> Yeh, I had a quick look at https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1510 (rust guidelines cleanup) ... and I think we can merge
2025-12-11 17:14:52 <@james:fedora.im> If anyone has an comment/objection, now is the time etc.
2025-12-11 17:14:58 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> ha
2025-12-11 17:15:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (ha: not an objection)
2025-12-11 17:15:43 <@salimma:fedora.im> lgtm
2025-12-11 17:15:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> only one comment about adding the toml file as an unused spec source
2025-12-11 17:16:01 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> otherwise lgtm
2025-12-11 17:16:32 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that's unrelated to the changes in the PR though, feel free to make that a follow-up change 
2025-12-11 17:16:55 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, I merged it
2025-12-11 17:17:04 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> thanks 🙏🏻
2025-12-11 17:17:14 <@james:fedora.im> This PR also seems like an easy one: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1511 (fix: Java howto link)
2025-12-11 17:17:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah I'll just merge that
2025-12-11 17:17:45 <@james:fedora.im> :)
2025-12-11 17:18:02 <@james:fedora.im> This one is bigger/scarier ... https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1509 R guidelines)
2025-12-11 17:19:08 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it already went through fesco / change process, so it shouldn't be that bad 
2025-12-11 17:19:45 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> the only thing I think I want to ask them to do is create some kind of "R CRAN common licenses" package that every CRAN module can depend on
2025-12-11 17:20:10 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> since there's a guaranteed set of licenses, it's straightforward to do
2025-12-11 17:20:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and it avoids creating an _actual_ exception for license files because it _is_ being shipped somewhere :)
2025-12-11 17:21:43 <@james:fedora.im> That sounds like a very reasonable compromise/workaround.
2025-12-11 17:22:19 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah, that sounds reasonable
2025-12-11 17:22:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> rest of it is fine
2025-12-11 17:23:10 <@salimma:fedora.im> I wonder if we could even go ahead and ship approved licenses for everything like Debian
2025-12-11 17:24:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think we could for everythiing that don't require copyright stanzas (e.g. MPL, GNU, Apache, etc.), we probably could
2025-12-11 17:24:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I think we could for everythiing that don't require copyright stanzas (e.g. MPL, GNU, CC, Apache, etc.), we probably could
2025-12-11 17:24:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but licenses with required vanity statements are a no-go
2025-12-11 17:25:07 <@salimma:fedora.im> yeah... :(
2025-12-11 17:25:26 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that part is optional for the MIT too IIRC
2025-12-11 17:25:38 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> you just can't remove it if it's there 
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> this is what Debian ships
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> ⬢ [debian-packaging] ❯ ls
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> Apache-2.0  BSD      GFDL@     GFDL-1.3  GPL-1  GPL-3  LGPL-2    LGPL-3   MPL-2.0
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> Artistic    CC0-1.0  GFDL-1.2  GPL@      GPL-2  LGPL@  LGPL-2.1  MPL-1.1
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> /usr/share/common-licenses🔒 
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> ```
2025-12-11 17:25:45 <@salimma:fedora.im> 
2025-12-11 17:25:51 <@salimma:fedora.im> they also did not ship MIT
2025-12-11 17:26:22 <@salimma:fedora.im> so if a project said MIT but does not include the text, can we ... I guess in that case the problem is we don't know which one?
2025-12-11 17:26:24 <@salimma:fedora.im> they're all MIT
2025-12-11 17:26:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah, let's not go down the road that involves us losing our livers like Tom almost did
2025-12-11 17:27:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> MIT and BSD family licenses, including ISC, 0BSD, etc. typically have vanity stanzas so it's just not worth the hassle
2025-12-11 17:27:48 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> depends on the variant... it's just not worth figuring that crap out
2025-12-11 17:27:55 <@salimma:fedora.im> right
2025-12-11 17:28:08 <@salimma:fedora.im> at least this is where SPDX makes our lives easier
2025-12-11 17:28:24 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> (I was referring to SPDX "MIT", for the record)
2025-12-11 17:28:27 <@salimma:fedora.im> so... is it worth doing a change proposal to ship this package and then projects get excused from shipping standard text?
2025-12-11 17:28:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> not with MIT since they never split all the variants up into their own identifiers like they did BSD
2025-12-11 17:28:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> probably, anyone want to shepherd this?
2025-12-11 17:29:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm a little overloaded for F44 myself
2025-12-11 17:29:15 <@salimma:fedora.im> I can use something nice for F44 so sure
2025-12-11 17:29:31 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> I don't think this should block the R guidelines though 
2025-12-11 17:29:40 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> that can be handled separately
2025-12-11 17:29:40 <@salimma:fedora.im> the less needless difference there is between Fedora and Debian the happier my personal life is
2025-12-11 17:29:49 <@salimma:fedora.im> oh I agree, we should not block this, it's just a nice generalization
2025-12-11 17:30:08 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Mandrake family also does this :)
2025-12-11 17:30:11 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so it's not new
2025-12-11 17:30:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and briefly SUSE flirted with it, but they were bad at holding to it
2025-12-11 17:30:37 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> there used to be an rpmlint check for this stuff I think
2025-12-11 17:30:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> it might still be there
2025-12-11 17:34:46 <@salimma:fedora.im> so... what are we deciding for R?
2025-12-11 17:35:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I put a comment in the PR asking for the thing
2025-12-11 17:39:01 <@james:fedora.im> Okay, anything else?
2025-12-11 17:39:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> did anyone file a ticket with forgejo about the broken tarball url thing?
2025-12-11 17:40:35 <@james:fedora.im> I'm not even sure what you mean.
2025-12-11 17:41:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> this: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/pull-request/1500#comment-226128
2025-12-11 17:41:47 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm going to guess no by the silence and confusion
2025-12-11 17:41:58 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'll go ahead and file the ticket then
2025-12-11 17:42:18 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> well, it's not "broken"
2025-12-11 17:42:29 <@decathorpe:fedora.im> it just doesn't support all the different ways GitHub does 
2025-12-11 17:43:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> for reference, I did this years ago for GitLab too: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-foss/-/issues/38830
2025-12-11 17:45:19 <@james:fedora.im> Cool. Okay, well I'll see you all next year!
2025-12-11 17:45:23 <@james:fedora.im> !endmeeting